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Summer Time Rendering; Ryuunosuke Additions

Theglassman12 said:
That's not how fate hax works, seeing what you want happen in the future doesn't mean you're changing the fate or the future in a literal sense.
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That may be true but it's coordinating not by chance or resonation but simply your ideals and thoughts. In that case it's affecting fate/the future but you aren't directly changing anything. Especially in a case where this power is affecting someone else entirely. It's very notable and far different from what you're trying to suggest.



Theglassman12 said:
Seeing futures where something happens is literally textbook definition precognition. Idk what the hell makes you think that in any way shape or form that doesn't translate to precognition.
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Obviously seeing the future is Precognition. ALTHOUGH Seeing a future where something specific happens is borderline Clairvoyance, that's not Precognition. Clairvoyance allows a user to view visions of specific events from whatever event it allows you to see, whether it be the future or past, or even an entirely different place in time which is why it's stated to have Precognition applications on its page. This is literally what Ryuunosuke is doing here; Seeing a future that is advantageous to him which can be enacted in short visions.



Theglassman12 said:
I'm honestly not seeing clairvoyance here either.
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Why not? Ryuunosuke is seeing a specific future he wants to see, not seeing the future to come. I believe it's Precognition & Clairvoyance at work. Clairvoyance's own page makes it clear Precognition can be applied.
 
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Theglassman12 said:
If I saw in the future that my desire of wanting to eat a hamburger becomes real, and that literally happened, I'm not changing my fate to where I eat a hamburger because that's a very mundane thing to do, and your examples is just that someone's trying to land their shots on someone
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The hamburger scenario sucks aswell. It's clearly not supernatural but simply a thought based on recent desire in a entirely normal setting and state.

This is downplay aswell since Ryuunosuke's ability is entirely supernatural since he quite literally activates it and sees a distant future where he's pounding his opponent's to a pulp and uses his perfect memory to copy the scene and reenact it. It's simply not comparable at all.
 
I get why this isn't Fate Manipulation isn't. But it's also not just Precognition, Precognition doesn't have applications on its page to give the user knowledge of something other than the future to come. Clairvoyance is the hax that does that since it's literally stated on the page and I summarized it below;
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Clairvoyance allows a user to view visions of specific events from whatever event it allows you to see, whether it be the future or past, or even an entirely different place in time which is why it's stated to have Precognition applications on its page.
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Everyone's just saying "It's just Precognition" without explaining why it stops there. Ignoring the fact that the Precognition page doesn't give applications you're suggesting but Clairvoyance does. Clairvoyance has Precognition linked to it on its profile which resonates to what Ryuunosuke has with his ability to view a specific future, not the one incoming. I believe a mod should address this because it's not clear to me at all as the OP.

The guy doesn't just see the future bruh.
 
How can I address something I don't understand. I can't see a single reason why this would be anything other then precognition.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
How can I address something I don't understand. I can't see a single reason why this would be anything other then precognition.
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Fallen_Angelicx said:
Obviously seeing the future is Precognition. ALTHOUGH Seeing a future where something specific happens is borderline Clairvoyance, that's not Precognition. Clairvoyance allows a user to view visions of specific events from whatever event it allows you to see, whether it be the future or past, or even an entirely different place in time which is why it's stated to have Precognition applications on its page. This is literally what Ryuunosuke is doing here; Seeing a future that is advantageous to him which can be enacted in short visions.
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In summary,
Ryuunosuke is seeing a specific future; a future where he's beating the opponent. He's not seeing a future that's about to resonate itself in the present which is what Precognition entails;
Precognition is the ability to know the future. Characters with this ability can, through varying means, accurately predict future events.
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His ability is more inclined to Clairvoyance;
The term clairvoyance is generally defined as the ability to gain information about an object, person, location or physical event through extrasensory perception.
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Fallen_Angelicx said:
Clairvoyance allows a user to view visions of specific events from whatever event it allows you to see, whether it be the future or past, or even an entirely different place in time which is why it's stated to have Precognition applications on its page
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Clairvoyance is second hand to Precognition because they both are able to view events of the future which is why it's linked on there;
For the specific type of clairvoyance related to perceiving the future, see the Precognition page.
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Now for why it's Clairvoyance;

Again I believe this is Precognition & Clairvoyance as I've shown they're linked. Ryuunosuke is seeing a specific future where something specific happens; His attacks reaching his opponents. He accomplishes this in the present by using his perfect memory to replicate the vision which works on his opponents unless they can see the future to counter themselves.

Precognition allows someone to simply view a future to come which isn't the only thing Ryuunosuke is doing. Clairvoyance on the other hand let's you view a specific events that can happen at any point in time. Ryuunosuke is doing the both of these at the same time, viewing the future aswell as a future where he's dominating an opponent making it nigh impossible to counter.

Precognition doesn't allow users to view specific events in time which is why this ability isn't Precog, it allows you to view things that ARE ABOUT TO HAPPEN and what Ryuunosuke sees isn't an incoming resonation of time but simply visions based future's that can happen where he's dominating his opponents even if they have the capability to dodge him normally making it inevitable which is why he's shocked when they're countered. by the rightful abilities btw; Time Based Precognition.
 
Both Haine and Ryuunosuke have a counter to this ability. They have Time Based Precog, which is a direct counter to future events that will happen.
 
Unless Precognition allows you to see events that you want to see and not what's about to happen in the latter future. This simply isn't Precog, Precognition doesn't have these capabilities based on the page definition. Clairvoyance does.... since it's literally Precognition with the applications of being able to see anything including and other than the future alone.
 
Precognition is also not an offense based ability. It's a defense based ability since it's predictions and divinations to dodge effectively, another reason why Ryuunosuke isn't using Precog here, he's seeing himself doing offense attacks from future and harming his opponent. It's like Precognition in reverse lol
 
For the specific type of clairvoyance related to perceiving the future, see the Precognition page.
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Any form of Clairvoyance that involves seeing the future is precognition. Anyway, everything you said still falls under precognition. It may be slightly unconventional, but it is precognition all the same.

There are no limits on what precognition can do in fiction, or on the wiki. It can work anyway the Author wants it to, but as long as it involves seeing into the future, it's still recognition.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Any form of Clairvoyance that involves seeing the future is precognition. Anyway, everything you said still falls under precognition. It may be slightly unconventional, but it is precognition all the same.

There are no limits on what precognition can do in fiction, or on the wiki. It can work anyway the Author wants it to, but as long as it involves seeing into the future, it's still recognition.
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Does that mean I can add the extra information to his and Haine's Precog pertaining to everything I said? Also "Unconventional" since it has some technicality to it
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Does that mean I can add the extra information to his and Haine's Precog pertaining to everything I said? Also "Unconventional" since it has some technicality to it
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If you really want to. Though your going to need one other staff member to agree.
 
I'ma just add the information since the 2 thread mods agreed it's just Precog, 2 votes is enough. Addition time already passed too
 
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