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Phantom Thief (MHA) vs Homelander (TV Series)

TheRustyOne

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Another Homelander fight, can he win this one?

This is Joint Training Arc Phantom Thief.

Phantom Thief's Stats: 237.32 Tons of TNT and Mach 16.34. Varies with Copy.

Homelander's Stats: 289.3 Tons of TNT and Mach 18.2.

Obviously speed is not equalized here.

Starting Distance = 10 meters

Location = Abandoned Nabu Island

Who wins?

Phantom Thief: AThe1412, TauanVictor, Catbowtie, TegamiBachi25, Lloydblitzed, MintyBoi1, Mapl3Sy4up, Cimafranca133, Jackof_noTrades068, (9)

Homelander: That_moron2, (1)

Inconclusive: C2_of_Omegon, (1)

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Not sure if Monoma can copy Homelander. Quirks come from genetics while most Supes in The Boys TV Show gained their powers from Compound V. The only exception so far is Ryan who is the first natural born supe.
 
AThe1412 said:
Not sure if Monoma can copy Homelander. Quirks come from genetics while most Supes in The Boys TV Show gained their powers from Compound V. The only exception so far is Ryan who is the first natural born supe.
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This should be kept up for debate, but while the origin is scientific in nature, they're still biological super powers.

You don't need to born with them, since Monoma could copy OFA from Izuku who was born Quirkless. (He didn't get the stored up power but he did copy the base Quirk)

Quirks origin to this day are still unknown, though I don't think origin is relevant.

What matters is what they are in nature, since Monoma wouldn't be able to copy things like magic, KI, ect.
 
TheRustyOne said:
This should be kept up for debate, but while the origin is scientific in nature, they're still biological super powers.

You don't need to born with them, since Monoma could copy OFA from Izuku who was born Quirkless. (He didn't get the stored up power but he did copy the base Quirk)

Quirks origin to this day are still unknown, though I don't think origin is relevant.

What matters is what they are in nature, since Monoma wouldn't be able to copy things like magic, KI, ect.
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Okay. Let's assume that Monoma can copy his opponent. He would first have to close the 10 meter distance and touch Homie while the latter will probably start flying and using heat vision. Getting hit once will be bad for him but PT does have the acrobatics feats to avoid Homelander's attacks and tag him even when the latter is in the air. Then, it comes down to if he can adapt quickly enough to the newly acquired powerset and beat Homie with superior combat skill which he most likely would, especially if we take his performance during the Final War Arc into account. For that reason, I'm placing my bet on Phantom Thief.
 
AThe1412 said:
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Homelander seems to like going up close in personal, he has no reason to fly away from what he sees as a normal human and use his heat vision on him.

I'd assume he'd fly towards him to either snap his neck or try to punch a hole through him.

Time adjust a bit is right as I'm certain Monoma hasn't experienced flying at this point and won't know about the Heat Vision until Homelander uses it.

Vote counted, for now.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Homelander seems to like going up close in personal, he has no reason to fly away from what he sees as a normal human and use his heat vision on him.

I'd assume he'd fly towards him to either snap his neck or try to punch a hole through him.

Time adjust a bit is right as I'm certain Monoma hasn't experienced flying at this point and won't know about the Heat Vision until Homelander uses it.

Vote counted, for now.
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He uses heat vision at the slightest inconvenience and starts most of his fights with it but yeah, you're probably right about him not flying immediately until he feels threatened.
 
Doesn't Monoma just outright outskill Homelander? Not to mention he has a habit of pissing people off on purpose to mess with their heads as shown in the Joint Training and Sports Festival arcs.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Doesn't Monoma just outright outskill Homelander? Not to mention he has a habit of pissing people off on purpose to mess with their heads as shown in the Joint Training and Sports Festival arcs.
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He does but that still doesn't mean Homie isn't a threat. He's a bit faster than him at the start of the fight and Monoma has zero heat resistance so he can't afford to get hit by the eye lasers. He'll need time to get used to Homie's abilities once he obtains them and as Rusty pointed out, he has never copied and used flight before so it'll take him a bit longer.
That_moron2 said:
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Fight goes like this
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If Monoma can't dodge then yeah.
 
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SlendVeny said:
Monoma does not typically have Homelander's powers, but is very strong, so when he got them, he would be stronger than Homelander.
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His AP doesn't stack with his opponents when he copies their powers. If it did, he would have easily won most of his fights. He only becomes as strong as they are.
 
AThe1412 said:
His AP doesn't stack with his opponents when he copies their powers. If it did, he would have easily won most of his fights. He only becomes as strong as they are.
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If their powers amp AP, he will. Most characters in MHA have 8-A physicals without powers.
 
AThe1412 said:
His AP doesn't stack with his opponents when he copies their powers. If it did, he would have easily won most of his fights. He only becomes as strong as they are.
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Many Quirks in MHA don't enhance your physical abilities. In fact Monoma has never copied any powers that enhanced his strength, though he did try with OFA only to hit what I said above. Explosion is independent on your physical strength, Hardening is durability, Solid Air is just an air barrier, Brainwashing, Poltergeist, and ect.

I cannot say exactly how his strength should be enhanced by copying Homelander's power. That's because we don't really know how Homelander's strength enhancements work in any detail. If it just raises his strength to a certain level, than Monoma would only be equal to Homelander.

If it's multiplicative or an addition, he would be stronger since powerless Homelander is Unknown. But I cannot say which category that would fall into for obvious reasons.

He'll at the least be equal to Homelander, possibly stronger. He can't be more than 2x stronger, in fact maybe less if it's just an addition. Since Homelander scales above 289 Tons, which is higher than what Monoma scales to. The best case for Monoma would be almost 2x stronger.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Many Quirks in MHA don't enhance your physical abilities. In fact Monoma has never copied any powers that enhanced his strength, though he did try with OFA only to hit what I said above. Explosion is independent on your physical strength, Hardening is durability, Solid Air is just an air barrier, Brainwashing, Poltergeist, and ect.

I cannot say exactly how his strength should be enhanced by copying Homelander's power. That's because we don't really know how Homelander's strength enhancements work in any detail. If it just raises his strength to a certain level, than Monoma would only be equal to Homelander.

If it's multiplicative or an addition, he would be stronger since powerless Homelander is Unknown. But I cannot say which category that would fall into for obvious reasons.

He'll at the least be equal to Homelander, possibly stronger. He can't be more than 2x stronger, in fact maybe less if it's just an addition. Since Homelander scales above 289 Tons, which is higher than what Monoma scales to. The best case for Monoma would be almost 2x stronger.
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Yeah, then this fight should still be fair.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Many Quirks in MHA don't enhance your physical abilities. In fact Monoma has never copied any powers that enhanced his strength, though he did try with OFA only to hit what I said above. Explosion is independent on your physical strength, Hardening is durability, Solid Air is just an air barrier, Brainwashing, Poltergeist, and ect.

I cannot say exactly how his strength should be enhanced by copying Homelander's power. That's because we don't really know how Homelander's strength enhancements work in any detail. If it just raises his strength to a certain level, than Monoma would only be equal to Homelander.

If it's multiplicative or an addition, he would be stronger since powerless Homelander is Unknown. But I cannot say which category that would fall into for obvious reasons.

He'll at the least be equal to Homelander, possibly stronger. He can't be more than 2x stronger, in fact maybe less if it's just an addition. Since Homelander scales above 289 Tons, which is higher than what Monoma scales to. The best case for Monoma would be almost 2x stronger.
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Well, V enhances you significantly, but it isn't to a specific limit, because we know Maeve got stronger by training, so Monoma can't ONLY hit Homelander's level.
 
SlendVeny said:
Well, V enhances you significantly, but it isn't to a specific limit, because we know Maeve got stronger by training, so Monoma can't ONLY hit Homelander's level.
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Maeve and Homelander are completely different, not really fair to compare due to how varied the abilities V gives you.

And I didn't say he can only hit Homelander's level. Just that I can't say anything for certain due to the fact we don't know what powers Homelander has to an exact science.
 
SlendVeny said:
Well, V enhances you significantly, but it isn't to a specific limit, because we know Maeve got stronger by training, so Monoma can't ONLY hit Homelander's level.
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But then there are cases like Translucent who didn't get that much stronger and Sister Sage who only became smarter. V enhancements vary wildly and there's no way to tell how much stronger Monoma could get if he copies Homie. The safest assumption is the one Rusty posted.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Maeve and Homelander are completely different, not really fair to compare due to how varied the abilities V gives you.

And I didn't say he can only hit Homelander's level. Just that I can't say anything for certain due to the fact we don't know what powers Homelander has to an exact science.
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You didn't say that, but I was saying it doesn't only raise it to a set level.
 
AThe1412 said:
And Monoma is gonna have a training arc right in the middle of a fight?
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That was very clearly not my point. I was saying that Maeve greatly increasing her power by training showcases that V doesn't just put you at a set level and bam, that's your peak. It amplifies your body on top of what you already have.
 
SlendVeny said:
That was very clearly not my point. I was saying that Maeve greatly increasing her power by training showcases that V doesn't just put you at a set level and bam, that's your peak.
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For her, you have no proof it works the same for Homelander as said above.

Everyone gets a different set of powers and you cannot assume they're all the same. One person's super strength is not equivalent to another's.
 
TheRustyOne said:
For her, you have no proof it works the same for Homelander as said above.

Everyone gets a different set of powers and you cannot assume they're all the same. One person's super strength is not equivalent to another's.
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Well, he wasn't already that strong, idk why his V would be worse.
 
SlendVeny said:
Well, he wasn't already that strong, idk why his V would be worse.
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Not worse, it's just a different power set.

He's more powerful than her at the moment and nothing suggest that gap could ever change.
 
Anyway, Homelander ONLY has a chance if his V just keeps him at one static level. If it does, he'll have to win before he gets touched or hold his own against a more skilled and intelligent version of himself for 10 minutes, then win before he gets touched or go through it again, and Monoma can keep it up for 8 hours.
 
I'm going with incon.

While it seems likely HL will physically engage PT, it also seems just as likely HL will just laser him because he can.
 
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