Hero from Japan vs Hero from Malaysia: Izuku Midoriya vs BoBoiBoy

Greatsage13th · Feb 5, 2024

Izuku Midoriya (Deku) (Final Act)

Izuku Midoriya (緑谷出久 Midoriya Izuku), also known as Deku (デク Deku), was one of the 20 percent of people on Earth to be born without a Quirk, a natural superpower that is a basic biological function in the modern society, earning him endless amounts of torment and bullying in school. However, by...

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BoBoiBoy

I'm BoBoiBoy... A defender of Earth. Looks like I have to get ready. There are many who are out to get us. I must protect my friends, I must protect the Earth, and the Galaxy.BoBoiBoy BoBoiBoy is the main character of the show of the same name. He is a Malaysian boy that was granted the power of...

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Both are 6-B.

High 6-B through the usage of gearshift and Fa Jin is thoroughly restricted.

BoBoiBoy is restricted to his second tier elements.

Speed is equalized.

Both are 13 meters apart.

Fight takes place in U.A High.

Greatsage13th · Feb 5, 2024

Kingofwolves999 · Feb 5, 2024

1) What value is Boboiboy scaling to for 6-B

2) Why is there no calculation or links that have him even scaling to Low 6-B? His profile only shows 7-A and 6-C calcs, and everyone linked to his profile are at most 6-C via calcs excluding the Low 5-B.

Greatsage13th · Feb 6, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
1) What value is Boboiboy scaling to for 6-B

8.46 teratons

Kingofwolves999 said:
2) Why is there no calculation or links that have him even scaling to Low 6-B? His profile only shows 7-A and 6-C calcs, and everyone linked to his profile are at most 6-C via calcs excluding the Low 5-B.

Sorry, I'll add it in.

Greatsage13th · Feb 6, 2024

What does Izuku start with?

Kingofwolves999 · Feb 6, 2024

The profile is still a bit messed up (links not working for Low 6-B calc) and I think you need to update the entire verse. Idk if a crt was made or what but every profile needs to be changed if the values are higher.

Also with a quick google lens translation, it says he doubles his power at a higher level, not triples? So wouldn’t he only be 5.64 Teratons? That or Google is being trash again.

Greatsage13th said:
What does Izuku start with?

Either Air Force attacks or wait for Boi to make a move before attempting cqc to restrain with Blackwhip while dodging via Danger Sense and analyzing what Boi is capable of. Entire time he will be building Fa Jin for a speed boost and one shot amp.

When he realizes he can’t restrain Boi due to the LS difference he’ll just go for punches and kicks while dodging in closer quarters.

Assuming Boi is 8.46 Teratons, Deku basically takes no damage from any of his attacks since he can no-sell 33.44 Teraton attacks. Any hit with Fa Jin will one shot.

If Deku uses Gearshift Boi kinda just gets eviscerated even without using Overdrive, but since Boi is faster naturally, the match would be invalid.

Greatsage13th · Feb 6, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
The profile is still a bit messed up (links not working for Low 6-B calc) and I think you need to update the entire verse. Idk if a crt was made or what but every profile needs to be changed if the values are higher.

Also with a quick google lens translation, it says he doubles his power at a higher level, not triples? So wouldn’t he only be 5.64 Teratons? That or Google is being trash again.

Berganda doesn't always mean twice and just like in the Boboibouy Galaxy season 1 final episode, berganda can also mean multifold which should actually mean at least 4:

Kingofwolves999 said:
Either Air Force attacks or wait for Boi to make a move before attempting cqc to restrain with Blackwhip while dodging via Danger Sense and analyzing what Boi is capable of. Entire time he will be building Fa Jin for a speed boost and one shot amp.

Boboiboy has his penta split that would allow him to split into 5 of his elements where Solar would be hardest for Izuku to deal with due to the heat of his attacks being above what little green is used to alongside photon intangibility when he uses solar leap, Thunderstorm has electron intangibility and the second fastest speed amplification that blitzes those that are normally as fast as him along with a multi-kilometer AOE, Ice can freeze him in place with merely a swipe if he gets too close or snipe with his bow from a far that would also freeze him in place, Blaze would also have heat attacks that are greater than Izuku's resistance but is mostly does CQC, Cyclone would repel Izuku's blackwhip whilst having a AOE as potent as Thunderstorm's, Thorn...would probably not have much of a use against Izuku and the same can be said for Quake.

Kingofwolves999 said:
When he realizes he can’t restrain Boi due to the LS difference he’ll just go for punches and kicks while dodging in closer quarters.

alright

Kingofwolves999 said:
Assuming Boi is 8.46 Teratons, Deku basically takes no damage from any of his attacks since he can no-sell 33.44 Teraton attacks. Any hit with Fa Jin will one shot.

if it lands of course

Kingofwolves999 said:
If Deku uses Gearshift Boi kinda just gets eviscerated even without using Overdrive, but since Boi is faster naturally, the match would be invalid.

how would it be invalid when speed is equalized?

Kingofwolves999 · Feb 6, 2024

Greatsage13th said:
Berganda doesn't always mean twice and just like in the Boboibouy Galaxy season 1 final episode, berganda can also mean multifold which should actually mean at least 4:

Boboiboy has his penta split that would allow him to split into 5 of his elements where Solar would be hardest for Izuku to deal with due to the heat of his attacks being above what little green is used to alongside photon intangibility when he uses solar leap, Thunderstorm has electron intangibility and the second fastest speed amplification that blitzes those that are normally as fast as him along with a multi-kilometer AOE, Ice can freeze him in place with merely a swipe if he gets too close or snipe with his bow from a far that would also freeze him in place, Blaze would also have heat attacks that are greater than Izuku's resistance but is mostly does CQC, Cyclone would repel Izuku's blackwhip whilst having a AOE as potent as Thunderstorm's, Thorn...would probably not have much of a use against Izuku and the same can be said for Quake.

alright

if it lands of course

how would it be invalid when speed is equalized?

And how is it taken in the context of that poster? Cause idk the language but everything I’m seeing, and I mean EVERYTHING, points to it meaning “double.” You sure you’re not dealing with a faulty translation over there?

The safest bet from me would assuming the actual, literal definition of the word from every source I’ve looked at, which is “double.”

How hot are Boi’s attacks scaling to, because that is ALSO not on any profile. Also they get dodged by Danger Sense.

If Deku sees 5 people rushing him with really big attacks and one of them is much faster than him, he will activate Gearshift and reverse blitz One-Shot every single person. Deku perception blitzes at 2nd Gear to such a degree he can punch you numerous times and launch you over a hundred meters before you even realize what is happening. And then he amps higher with 3rd and 4th gear, while also having precognition.

Deku has NPI specifically for elemental intangibility.

Every other attack mentioned gets dodged with Danger Sense and Deku’s mobility or him using Gearshift.

Fa Jin will land when he’s reverse blitzing all of the clones. Also if he does any Air Pressure attack, which can be TENS of Kilometers in range, he is breaking nearly every bone in all of their bodies with the AP difference.

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.
- As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.

Deku activates Gearshift and one shot blitzes every single Boi clone present before they even know what has happened including Thunderstorm

Kingofwolves999 · Feb 6, 2024

Also hold up, the CRT for that calc and anyone even scaling to it isn’t even accepted? Sir_Ovens is literally disagreeing with the premise of it.

Did you add a bunch of unapproved ratings to Boi’s profile? And on top of that, there’s nothing I’ve seen or even heard of this usage of the word berganda being accepted?

Kingofwolves999 · Feb 6, 2024

Using a quick translation, there are different words used for “multifold,” “several” and “multiple.” If “Berganda” is meant to be “multifold” instead of “double,” that seems like a subtitle error not a means to scale from.

Absolute disagreement on that, Boi should not be 6-B at all.

SatellaTheWoE · Feb 23, 2024

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

BoBoiBoy stomps and it's not even close anymore. Everything Deku can do, BoBoiBoy can do hundred times better. I will explain why it's a stomp down below on my next reply.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

First of all:

How would BoBoiBoy hold up against the AP advantage?
=BoBoiBoy will simply grow in a matter moments, to the point where Deku will instantly be vaporized just being near him.

How will he survive the first few moments of the match?
=BoBoiBoy is an extremely adaptive individual, he will not just ideally take Deku's hits; he will start using AOE attacks to keep Deku at bay. And yes, AOE moves are in-character for BoBoiBoy .

How will he handle Deku's wind attacks and Shockwaves?
=BoBoiBoy has shown absorbing planetary storms, which only increased his powers to the point he became small planetary level. Deku will only be making Boi stronger. And about the shockwaves, every one of BoBoiBoy's second tier elements can fly, so the shockwaves won't even touch him.

How will he handle Deku's speed multiplier?
=By using his own speed multiplier. And just to make it clear, BoBoiBoy's amps boost his speed to the point where even characters who can perceive things at FTL+ speeds can't keep up with his movements anymore. And even with speed equalized, his attack speed is still higher than Deku's.

How will he handle Deku's NPI?
=Deku can't even touch him. Deku's NPI only work against plasma beings afaik, BoBoiBoy can turn into photons (quanta of light). Deku has never shown nor will ever show the ability to interact with light.

And also, BoBoiBoy has durability negation, so good luck with handling that.

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
BoBoiBoy stomps and it's not even close anymore. Everything Deku can do, BoBoiBoy can do hundred times better. I will explain why it's a stomp down below on my next reply.

Success0906 said:
First of all:

How would BoBoiBoy hold up against the AP advantage?
=BoBoiBoy will simply grow in a matter moments, to the point where Deku will instantly be vaporized just being near him.

How will he survive the first few moments of the match?
=BoBoiBoy is an extremely adaptive individual, he will not just ideally take Deku's hits; he will start using AOE attacks to keep Deku at bay. And yes, AOE moves are in-character for BoBoiBoy .

How will he handle Deku's wind attacks and Shockwaves?
=BoBoiBoy has shown absorbing planetary storms, which only increased his powers to the point he became small planetary level. Deku will only be making Boi stronger. And about the shockwaves, every one of BoBoiBoy's second tier elements can fly, so the shockwaves won't even touch him.

How will he handle Deku's speed multiplier?
=By using his own speed multiplier. And just to make it clear, BoBoiBoy's amps boost his speed to the point where even characters who can perceive things at FTL+ speeds can't keep up with his movements anymore. And even with speed equalized, his attack speed is still higher than Deku's.

How will he handle Deku's NPI?
=Deku can't even touch him. Deku's NPI only work against plasma beings afaik, BoBoiBoy can turn into photons (quanta of light). Deku has never shown nor will ever show the ability to interact with light.

And also, BoBoiBoy has durability negation, so good luck with handling that.

These explanations are terrible, actually.

1) No, he does not grow that fast in power and never has. Unless you have scans of him growing several x stronger in an instant then you’re speaking nonsense.

2) “he is adaptive and just won’t take hits,” ok that doesn’t solve him getting insta-blitzed within seconds of the fight starting. Deku predicts Boi’s movements and one shots every clone he has.

3) Deku punches him

4) Being faster than FTL+ when he himself is FTL+ just means he has a normal speed amp. Deku had stackable speed amps with the first one already making it so he sees opponents comparable to him as frozen. Stacking two more amps to that and no, Boi is not understanding what is even happening before he has several fists crashing into his face. Also, higher attack speed? Say hello to Danger Sense and Gearshift, it won’t matter.

5) Possibly, his NPI is strange to begin with.

6) Durability negation? Dodge with precog. Cool story.

So from all your arguments, the only one that matters is that Deku might not be able to touch Light mode. The others are pretty bad.

Also wtf happened to Boboiboy’s profile? Why does it look so bad? He has two separate tierings for his second tier elementals, the grammar is weird, he’s being called stronger than his post-original self despite the key BEING his post-Original self. Can someone fix his profile first before he gets put in debates.

Robo432343 · Apr 12, 2024

they did boboiboy dirty

CurrySenpai · Apr 12, 2024

Voting BoBoiBoy for NPI ggs

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

If Deku can’t actually touch Boi then it’s a stomp as, well, he can’t do anything.

But also forget the fight, why does Boi’s profile say that his Second tier elementals are twice as strong but then says they’re at least three times as strong, which is a mistranslation of being twice as strong?

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
1) No, he does not grow that fast in power and never has. Unless you have scans of him growing several x stronger in an instant then you’re speaking nonsense

He does, look at his profile.

Kingofwolves999 said:
2) “he is adaptive and just won’t take hits,” ok that doesn’t solve him getting insta-blitzed within seconds of the fight starting. Deku predicts Boi’s movements and one shots every clone he has.

How? All of his clones have accelerated development and reactive evolution, which takes effect under a few moments.

Kingofwolves999 said:
3) Deku punches him

BoBoiBoy dodges it.

Kingofwolves999 said:
4) Being faster than FTL+ when he himself is FTL+ just means he has a normal speed amp. Deku had stackable speed amps with the first one already making it so he sees opponents comparable to him as frozen. Stacking two more amps to that and no, Boi is not understanding what is even happening before he has several fists crashing into his face. Also, higher attack speed? Say hello to Danger Sense and Gearshift, it won’t matter.

Stacking sub-relativistic speed by 5 doesn't get you to FTL or FTL+, BoBoiBoy still has a higher speed. And BoBoiBoy has higher attack speed.

Also, BFR!!!

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
If Deku can’t actually touch Boi then it’s a stomp as, well, he can’t do anything.

But also forget the fight, why does Boi’s profile say that his Second tier elementals are twice as strong but then says they’re at least three times as strong, which is a mistranslation of being twice as strong?

They scale to Retak'ka post hang Kasa training who is thrice as strong as the first tier elements.

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

CurrySenpai said:
Voting BoBoiBoy for NPI ggs

Hold up. It says his intangibility is only when using Solar leap. So he only has one ability where he is intangible, meaning the 99% of time he isn’t intangible he gets tagged.

Success0906 said:
He does, look at his profile.

How? All of his clones have accelerated development and reactive evolution, which takes effect under a few moments.

BoBoiBoy dodges it.

Stacking sub-relativistic speed by 5 doesn't get you to FTL or FTL+, BoBoiBoy still has a higher speed. And BoBoiBoy has higher attack speed.

No, his profile says he gets progressively stronger, not several x stronger in an instant. You and his profile have a disagreement.

Ok, does that accelerated development and reactive evolution have any feats against blitzes? Cause every scan and justification is for people overwhelming him in power or skill, not speed. So none of that should matter at all here.

He doesn’t dodge, he’s getting blitzed

Speed is equal, so yes it does, that is literally how speed equalization rules operate. Boi has been reduced in speed to Sub-Rel and any amps he has are similarly reduced in scale as if they were being performed on a Sub-Rel character. Hence why this match is ridiculous.

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.

Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.

Success0906 said:
They scale to Retak'ka post hang Kasa training who is thrice as strong as the first tier elements.

I don’t know what tf that means at all or how that is relevant to the mistranslation of boi being 3x stronger in one sentence but 2x stronger in another

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
Speed is equal, so yes it does, that is literally how speed equalization rules operate. Boi has been reduced in speed to Sub-Rel and any amps he has are similarly reduced in scale as if they were being performed on a Sub-Rel character. Hence why this match is ridiculous.

Boi can amp his speed to SoL so either way, he is faster than Deku.

Kingofwolves999 said:
No, his profile says he gets progressively stronger, not several x stronger in an instant. You and his profile have a disagreement

Look at the scans, BoBoiBoy blaze and ice grew up to small planet level+ in a short time.

Kingofwolves999 said:
Ok, does that accelerated development and reactive evolution have any feats against blitzes? Cause every scan and justification is for people overwhelming him in power or skill, not speed. So none of that should matter at all here.

He needs to activate that shit. Your only argument is that he can quadruple his speed?

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
I don’t know what tf that means at all or how that is relevant to the mistranslation of boi being 3x stronger in one sentence but 2x stronger in another

Retak'ka is 3× stronger than BoBoiBoy's first tier elements who scale to the black hole feat and BoBoiBoy scales to him post-hang Kasa training.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
Speed is equal, so yes it does, that is literally how speed equalization rules operate. Boi has been reduced in speed to Sub-Rel and any amps he has are similarly reduced in scale as if they were being performed on a Sub-Rel character. Hence why this match is ridiculous

If the speed boost is too much, then it cannot be added.

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.

As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
Boi can amp his speed to SoL so either way, he is faster than Deku.

Look at the scans, BoBoiBoy blaze and ice grew up to small planet level+ in a short time.

He needs to activate that shit. Your only argument is that he can quadruple his speed? And BoBoiBoy has FTL+ attack speed. And no, attack speed doesn't get equalized.

“He can amp his speed to SoL when he is FTL+”, ok so he gets slower are you just trolling at this point?

That just looks like he was always small planet level and was going full power, as blaze and ice literally say. Those scans are pretty terrible all things considered since I have no context of who any of those characters are or how strong they are. Who in those scans is small planet level and how strong is boi before then? Was he 6-B fighting a Low 5-B? Wtf is happening in that comic? It is very poorly explained. I don’t see how either Deku completely demolishes the Boi’s in a couple hits before they even know what’s happening and he can think to activate any of his abilities, or they should have Low 5-B durability.

“he needs to activate” ok he touches his hand and murder blitzes Boi, next question. His activation is a hand movement while their speeds are equal, boi is not adapting to Deku moving his hand.

At this point you’re not even reading. His attack speed, amps, reactions, perceptions, everything has been reduced due to Speed Equalization. He is not the one doing the blitzing here, let alone right off the bat.

CurrySenpai · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
Hold up. It says his intangibility is only when using Solar leap. So he only has one ability where he is intangible, meaning the 99% of time he isn’t intangible he gets tagged.

Sheesh… well that’s not good. That was like his only wincon, guess I gotta vote for Deku

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
If the speed boost is too much, then it cannot be added.

No really. That’s the entire reason this fight is ridiculous, it cannot be added and it shouldn’t be.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
No really. That’s the entire reason this fight is ridiculous, it cannot be added and it shouldn’t be.

I need to know how does BoBoiBoy act up against BFR?

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
I need to know how does BoBoiBoy act up against BFR?

Idk how does he?

If you mean how Deku does against BFR, he dodges if it’s dodgeable. Otherwise he has no counter to BFR besides being fast enough to not be perceived so he cannot be BFR’d.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
Idk how does he?

If you mean how Deku does against BFR, he dodges if it’s dodgeable. Otherwise he has no counter to BFR besides being fast enough to not be perceived so he cannot be BFR’d.

Portal BFR.

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
Retak'ka is 3× stronger than BoBoiBoy's first tier elements who scale to the black hole feat and BoBoiBoy scales to him post-hang Kasa training.

So shouldn’t there be a separate key for Boi and his friends rather than slapping it on top of his second key?

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
Portal BFR.

Ok, he doesn’t go into the portal. In fact, Boi doesn’t even think to use the portal because he is knocked unconscious 3 seconds into the fight by Gearshift Deku. So nah.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
So shouldn’t there be a separate key for Boi and his friends rather than slapping it on top of his second key?

Already did.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Anyways, this fight is unfair to begin with. The only reason I was even arguing was because I thought attack speed can't be equalized in a vs thread. Due to the terrible AP advantage, I don't think this can be added, anyways.

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
Already did.

My brother in Christ you didn’t even edit or properly section off the individual sections. Do you need help editing the profile? Cause you’re just making everything look messier

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Also where is the scan that Rektaka or whatever is 3x Boi’s first stage elementals. Cause the scan being used to say he is 3x stronger is the same one that says he is 2x stronger.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
My brother in Christ you didn’t even edit or properly section off the individual sections. Do you need help editing the profile? Cause you’re just making everything look messier

Dude, I am the only one working my bud off, the only who does the edits, finds scans, does scans. I am the only BoBoiBoy scaler remaining, it seems.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
Also where is the scan that Rektaka or whatever is 3x Boi’s first stage elementals. Cause the scan being used to say he is 3x stronger is the same one that says he is 2x stronger.

The scan says each tier upgrade grants 2× boost. This is proven by upscales and feats. That scan is Sage's doing.

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
The scan says each tier upgrade grants 2× boost. This is proven by upscales and feats.

… ok? I know his second tiers are 2x stronger than his first tiers. I’m asking where is the 3x for his second tiers in the third key coming from. You said it’s from him fighting a guy who was 3x his first tiers, where is that statement.

Success0906 · Apr 12, 2024

Kingofwolves999 said:
… ok? I know his second tiers are 2x stronger than his first tiers. I’m asking where is the 3x for his second tiers in the third key coming from. You said it’s from him fighting a guy who was 3x his first tiers, where is that statement.

Retak'ka was the original elemental master. And the scan was placed by sage. I'll be doing a rehaul of the entire verse and change the justification in a later thread that I am working on.

Kingofwolves999 · Apr 12, 2024

Success0906 said:
Retak'ka was the original elemental master. And the scan was placed by sage. I'll be doing a rehaul of the entire verse and change the justification in a later thread that I am working on.

I’ll be there for it then

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