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Recent content by Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

  1. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    Just wanted to post a quick update. Like Fan, my life has also been turned upside down by current events (obvious pandemic and otherwise), and I'm honestly just spending a lot of time grappling with ennui. I'm fluctuating through states of having too much to do and not enough to do, neither...
  2. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    Oh God oh **** I have to read more of this? I'll try to check back on this, in the next few days.
  3. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    This is also a solid reminder that I need to give that blog some minor updates, when I have time.
  4. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    I do still agree with the point of this thread involving fixing certain bits of misinformation, though. I should check through the Mythos pages and see what needs to be updated. A few minor things off the top of my head: Anything referring to Nyar as "lesser", since everything we see of him...
  5. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    Just gonna dump some quotes to show that I'm not talking out of my ass. Everything is from Through the Gates of the Silver Key, obviously. First, some mention of how Carter's beyond the Gate fragment and the entity he's speaking to are separate things. While the being his fragment is speaking...
  6. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    No, that is blatantly untrue. The text calls Carter's Archetype many things. YOG-SOTHOTH. ENTITY. BEING. PRESENCE. Every single one is in all caps to denote that it is the same thing being referred to under many names. Immediately after telling us that the BEING is Carter's Archetype, we are...
  7. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    They are the same thing, but the Necronomicon description of Yog-Sothoth is incomplete due to its nature. YOG-SOTHOTH (all caps) is just one of the many titles TtGotSK uses to refer to something without a name. The Mythos does this, a lot. The entity known as Azathoth is not actually called...
  8. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    @Agnaa You are mixing up Carter and Carter's Archetype. The Carter who still thinks of himself as Carter beyond the Gate is referred to as stuff such as "Carter's beyond the Gate fragment". He is still, in some way, Carter. Carter's Archetype is YOG-SOTHOTH/BEING/SUPREME ARCHETYPE. It is why...
  9. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    @Agnaa I think you are misreading that paragraph without the context of the greater story.
  10. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    Kep, Carter's Archetype is the Supreme Archetype. That is why its name is in all caps. The BEING and SUPREME ARCHETYPE are the same thing. It literally says Carter himself has his glutless zeal because he is derived from the SUPREME ARCHETYPE. The BEING is not Carter's beyond the Gate fragment...
  11. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    @Agnaa "Gilman decided he had picked up that last conception from what he had read in the Necronomicon about the mindless entity Azathoth, which rules all time and space from a curiously environed black throne at the centre of Chaos." Then you have the "ancient legends" of The Haunter of the...
  12. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    This next comment was originally going to be part of the original, but I feel it's better off as its own distinct thing. While my previous comment focused on what we could know and what was heavily implied, I'd like to also throw together a quick comment on why one could use intent and themes...
  13. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    @Ant Removing the objectively false information isn't too difficult. However, if the revisions include the Azathoth vs Yog-Sothoth stuff, then I guess I'll finally weigh in on that, now that I have a little bit of time. I'll try to keep this relatively short. I apologize if it is rather...
  14. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    Lurker is by Derleth, based on fragmentary pieces of writing Lovecraft left behind, and was published 8 years after HPL died. Because it is more heavily steeped in Derleth's version of the mythos, which is contradictory to pretty much everyone else's (including Lovecraft's source material), we...
  15. Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot

    Cthulhu Mythos: Time to Debunk one of the Greatest Myths in Versus Debating

    Been horrendously busy, and realized I never posted my thoughts on anything beyond the Yog-Sothoth = Supreme Archetype thing. I will try to post my thoughts on the interaction between these higher entities and what should happen in regards to tiers, when I can.
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