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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

MysticMania said:
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Saw a post about it.
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I assume this is because Speed Sim in particular because it's mainly heroes vs villains and not an actual mandate itself. Even Metal in that game is reprogrammed by Tails and not normal Metal.
 
All sub-18.6k upvoted members, KNEEL BEFORE YOUR MASTER

I dont actually update pages much so I dunno if I have real credit in this thread
 


I remember when IDW Sonic was starting, and Ian said he hoped that IDW would get the rights from Archie to republish and maybe even continue the Archie run to a proper ending since they had done it before; it was one of the reasons why he stopped Lost Hedghehog Tales.

Turns out it would be Archie Mega Man who would finally come back by another publisher. I'm happy for it, but unsure if they would go to republish the old comics, considering some of them are connected to Archie Sonic.
 
AyOgUyS said:
Out of curiosity, who do you think wins each of these matchups:
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I give my two cents on these.
AyOgUyS said:
Super Sonic VS Son Goku
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Winner Goku, reason:"nice hax dipshit, now check this out", Goku power up through all super sonic featless hax's" these aren't at Gokuversal LVL.
AyOgUyS said:
Sonic VS Mario (both get everything)
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Winner Mario, reason:all Mario are the same Mario, therefore Mario kun well bring different Marios and solos Via different Mario's.
AyOgUyS said:
Sonic VS The Flash (Barry)
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Winner catwoman with sandwich, reason: they want to start the battle but Catwoman was robbing the street at irrelevant speed, while eating a sandwich, and did a-train on them while their loved ones watch.
AyOgUyS said:
Kirby VS Sonic
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Winner is Kirby, reason: Kirby is god Slayer, slaughter entire planets all because someone Took his cake, he took many slaves(including sonic/Mario/flash/Goku) as new servants making his meals 24/7.
AyOgUyS said:
Sonic VS Mahoraga
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draw, reason:Sonic would do sonic things, and mahoraga would adapt to his existing and do sonic things too.
AyOgUyS said:
Shadow VS Mewtwo
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Winner is Mewtwo, reason: memory manipulation, given boom shadow was mind manipulate.
 
Clockluckdoo said:
I give my two cents on these.

Winner Goku, reason:"nice hax dipshit, now check this out", Goku power up through all super sonic featless hax's" these aren't at Gokuversal LVL.

Winner Mario, reason:all Mario are the same Mario, therefore Mario kun well bring different Marios and solos Via different Mario's.

Winner catwoman with sandwich, reason: they want to start the battle but Catwoman was robbing the street at irrelevant speed, while eating a sandwich, and did a-train on them while their loved ones watch.

Winner is Kirby, reason: Kirby is god Slayer, slaughter entire planets all because someone Took his cake, he took many slaves(including sonic/Mario/flash/Goku) as new servants making his meals 24/7.

draw, reason:Sonic would do sonic things, and mahoraga would adapt to his existing and do sonic things too.

Winner is Mewtwo, reason: memory manipulation, given boom shadow was mind manipulate.
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Ragebait lol
 
Greetings, my fellow Sonic scalers! Does anyone have knowledge on layered hax? If so, I do want to talk about Archie Pre-Genesis characters having some crazy amount of layers.

Undrafted premise is that each chaos emerald's combination should grant 1+ layer, and since all chaos emeralds in the verse merged into seven by our dear panda demi-god, all abilities from chaos energy post that merge will have at least infinite layers as there are infinite zones (pre-assuming that all zones at least have one emerald)

I still didn't type the arguments on text yet (though, the basis is ready and I can type it here in about 30 minutes), but I can show the evidence and proofs that lead me think this idea if any of you are interested and want to help this idea!
 
SuperNunnas said:
I still didn't type the arguments on text yet (though, the basis is ready and I can type it here in about 30 minutes), but I can show the evidence and proofs that lead me think this idea if any of you are interested and want to help this idea!
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I had a similar idea back when I was focusing on Archie, but the amount of work needed to be done with the Gameverse made me divert before I could give it much thought.

There may be an argument that "More Power Rings = More layers", one of my main reasonings being how a single Power Ring can overcome the Dark Queen's (iirc) mind control over Monkey Khan. But that would take quite a bit more evidence to compile and get accepted.
 
ShakeResounding said:
I had a similar idea back when I was focusing on Archie, but the amount of work needed to be done with the Gameverse made me divert before I could give it much thought.

There may be an argument that "More Power Rings = More layers", one of my main reasonings being how a single Power Ring can overcome the Dark Queen's (iirc) mind control over Monkey Khan. But that would take quite a bit more evidence to compile and get accepted.
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Actually, I have direct evidence for the layers, and have dozens of supportive proofs for that.
 


Here is the direct evidence.

Supportive proofs is that our panda demi-god denying chaos powers of Shadow while unable to do that to Master Mogul, or Enerjak as Dimitri resisting Full Tapped Chaos Power of Shadow and literally capable of erasing people while unable to do that to Super Sonic.

The more chaos emeralds empowers sixth sense (as a power source I guess), which visualizes reality and defines reality within their sense. Granting them to do anything they want with just thinking it as we see it in Knuckles vs Enerjak.
 
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SuperNunnas said:
Greetings, my fellow Sonic scalers! Does anyone have knowledge on layered hax? If so, I do want to talk about Archie Pre-Genesis characters having some crazy amount of layers.

Undrafted premise is that each chaos emerald's combination should grant 1+ layer, and since all chaos emeralds in the verse merged into seven by our dear panda demi-god, all abilities from chaos energy post that merge will have at least infinite layers as there are infinite zones (pre-assuming that all zones at least have one emerald)

I still didn't type the arguments on text yet (though, the basis is ready and I can type it here in about 30 minutes), but I can show the evidence and proofs that lead me think this idea if any of you are interested and want to help this idea!
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At that point you may as well create a sandbox
 
Remus1998 said:
At that point you may as well create a sandbox
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I am busy with High 1-A+ Type 2 Chaos Force, High 1-A SOA and Knuckles and 1-A higher plane stuff. After when I done that, and after when I came back from vacation, I will help the gameverse to save it from evil hands of imbur then release it.
 
I'm not too fond of matters 1-A and higher tbh, I just don't like Tiers that high. I don't think I would be of any help to you there.

Is it in a blog, or something like a Google Doc? If it's in a doc, I would recommend putting it in a sandbox first before sharing.
 
ShakeResounding said:
I'm not too fond of matters 1-A and higher tbh, I just don't like Tiers that high. I don't think I would be of any help to you there.

Is it in a blog, or something like a Google Doc? If it's in a doc, I would recommend putting it in a sandbox first before sharing.
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Ah, I see. Well, then I think when I make cosmology blog about pre-genesis, you will like the tier, sir.

Well, it is on blog, in my sandbox forum. I think sending link would work. Where can I send it to you?
 
SuperNunnas said:
I am busy with High 1-A+ Type 2 Chaos Force, High 1-A SOA and Knuckles and 1-A higher plane stuff. After when I done that, and after when I came back from vacation, I will help the gameverse to save it from evil hands of imbur then release it.
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I highly doubt anything in Archie is 1-A or above. What's your evidence for it?
 
AyOgUyS said:
I highly doubt anything in Archie is 1-A or above. What's your evidence for it?
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I have blog sandbox but I didn't put the evidences on arguments, but the draft of arguments are ready. I do need to modify the format and add many things too. Well, the blog is like %30 done. If you are interested, I can show you drafts of the core arguments. But just saying, I still didn't add tons of stuffs.
 
SuperNunnas said:
I have blog sandbox but I didn't put the evidences on arguments, but the draft of arguments are ready. I do need to modify the format and add many things too. Well, the blog is like %30 done. If you are interested, I can show you drafts of the core arguments. But just saying, I still didn't add tons of stuffs.
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Noted
 
TheStinkeer said:
Yea, though it ultimately doesn't matter since the "gonna be the death of us" was moreso a joke due to Sonic already having feats beyond supersonic
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I know it's joke, but after thinking for a while, it could be useful for future arguments, There are other options for it but egg devil ray could be useful addition to make it more believable.
 
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Man, when I copy pasted it the whole format died.

Format seems cursed but it will be good on CRT format when completed.
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Imma be, like, 100%, a lot of this seems to be taking certain statements to their most literal extremes. There have been many instances before where those of a higher level of existence view those lower as fiction due to the very nature of higher-dimensionality. Does it make every instance of that in any medium automatically 1-A or similar? I don't think so at all. At the very least, it's +1 dimension rather than taking it to its highest extreme. Being "beyond space and time" is often a hyperbolic statement in many works in fiction and a lot of the time, it mainly means that space and time doesn't exactly matter anymore due to the nature of someone's existence (such as being a spirit or their existence being far from the norm). I personally do not think a lot of this is indicative of being beyond dimensionality entirely. At least, it's +1 dimension. Otherwise, it's a massive highball.
ShakeResounding said:
I had a similar idea back when I was focusing on Archie, but the amount of work needed to be done with the Gameverse made me divert before I could give it much thought.

There may be an argument that "More Power Rings = More layers", one of my main reasonings being how a single Power Ring can overcome the Dark Queen's (iirc) mind control over Monkey Khan. But that would take quite a bit more evidence to compile and get accepted.
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I don't think the argument holds up since, for all we know, Ring Energy could just be a key to resisting it, so it could less be a layer and mayhaps more of the potency of the resistance.
SuperNunnas said:
Greetings, my fellow Sonic scalers! Does anyone have knowledge on layered hax? If so, I do want to talk about Archie Pre-Genesis characters having some crazy amount of layers.

Undrafted premise is that each chaos emerald's combination should grant 1+ layer, and since all chaos emeralds in the verse merged into seven by our dear panda demi-god, all abilities from chaos energy post that merge will have at least infinite layers as there are infinite zones (pre-assuming that all zones at least have one emerald)

I still didn't type the arguments on text yet (though, the basis is ready and I can type it here in about 30 minutes), but I can show the evidence and proofs that lead me think this idea if any of you are interested and want to help this idea!
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I don't think that's how layers work. With my previous statement again, it could just increase potency. There's no evidence to suggest that it outright gives +1 layer for EACH at all. Typically, for stuff like this, layers that use the same type of energy aren't exactly additive in layers consequently unless there's a strong backbone for consequent layers being added.
 
TheStinkeer said:
I still say it's a really bad way to downplay Sonic but whateves here's the thing
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I appreciate your cooperation. Regarding' Downplay, ' I am not attempting to minimise the speed of Hog; rather, I wish to highlight the rapidity of travel(metal catching up to laser in 3 sec/sonic exceed speed of sound in frontiers), reaction(Eggman), and combat (vs ultimate emerl). This occurs at supersonic or light speed at every moment, regardless of how seemingly insignificant the distance is(such as in the unleashing opening or colours ending), or how many can react. Maintaining pace with such speed, although it might be a basic concept to explain on Wikipedia, I believe it is not as straightforward in other forms of media. Would you agree?
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Imma be, like, 100%, a lot of this seems to be taking certain statements to their most literal extremes. There have been many instances before where those of a higher level of existence view those lower as fiction due to the very nature of higher-dimensionality. Does it make every instance of that in any medium automatically 1-A or similar? I don't think so at all. At the very least, it's +1 dimension rather than taking it to its highest extreme. Being "beyond space and time" is often a hyperbolic statement in many works in fiction and a lot of the time, it mainly means that space and time doesn't exactly matter anymore due to the nature of someone's existence (such as being a spirit or their existence being far from the norm). I personally do not think a lot of this is indicative of being beyond dimensionality entirely. At least, it's +1 dimension. Otherwise, it's a massive highball.

I don't think the argument holds up since, for all we know, Ring Energy could just be a key to resisting it, so it could less be a layer and mayhaps more of the potency of the resistance.

I don't think that's how layers work. With my previous statement again, it could just increase potency. There's no evidence to suggest that it outright gives +1 layer for EACH at all. Typically, for stuff like this, layers that use the same type of energy aren't exactly additive in layers consequently unless there's a strong backbone for consequent layers being added.
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If the arguments seems to take their most extremes, sorry about that. Another core for 1-A is that this higher planes are evolution towards the Chaos Force, which I do argue as being a ultimate reality.

To address your comment, well, higher plane in this case is different than most fiction you are talking about. Because in this case, I noted that the lower fundamental beings can compherend those who see themselves as fiction (because they are said to be authors of them), whereas this autho beings said to be from "world beyond world", while they can't even sense those of higher planes while they can do it with higher dimensional ones, meaning that higher planes of existence in this case is nothing same with higher dimensionality. About being beyond time-space, well, this case only applies to Knuckles, and context of it is that Knuckles is that he is outside of causality (hence why Aurora was saying he can't take actions, it would cease his natural position), and so he is outside of time as he is now covered with the very fabric of eternity, just to exist kinda like "is", nothing more (In my opinion, hence Knuckles lost his name and become just "Entity", this would be the case). About space in this case is, well, Knuckles became an "Entity", where all is him and he is all, so space becomes meaningless when there is no distinction, so there is no A to B at all. Those shouldn't be even seem extreme if this is aligns with the stuff IMO. This will be core argument.

For BoG case, well, I kinda argued that they are immaterial beings whose temporal omnipresent in short, so they are unbound by time and space, it is not about they are transcendent to time space or residing in higher dimensions, but just they are not limited to time and space.

But well, since I still didn't add evidences and this is just a draft of arguments, still I thank you for replying this! I think someones may think like you so I think I have to also explain this "quitside of space" etc stuffs and context of the statements to show that they aren't extreme.

Well, fair about the layered hax. But just saying, I may attempt this in future.
 
how do we treat Perfect Starfall Super Sonic (PSSS) finishing off the The End?

The second phase of the Final Horizon version of the final boss specifically notes it as "THE END" despite it never being touched throughout the entirety of the fight until the wait for it... end BA-DUMP TISS

Anywho, would PSSS be massively above a one shot above Starfall Super Sonic's AP or would it just be a finishing blow which is marginally stronger

To clarify, I am NOT advocating or vouching for some absurd multiplier for PSSS derived from the number of shots needed from Supreme needed to beat The End in the original final boss with PSSS having one-shot the dang thing without it ever directly fighting itself in the Final Horizon
 
Super Sonic 2 was implied from gameplay values to have 10x multiplier. Unsure how much stronger CyberSuperSonic since Super2 did weaken Supreme.

Speaking of Super hogs, what was the argument for Super forms negating Invulnerability? Which enemies did he fight and got it from?
 
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