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What about this one? This one is also kinda done by air pressure since the distance between wall and samurai is kinda big, so Elite's kick hitting the wall wouldn't make sense
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Aksh_sky
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This one too:What about this one? This one is also kinda done by air pressure since the distance between wall and samurai is kinda big, so Elite's kick hitting the wall wouldn't make sense
The whole wall got compressed inwards, hence got pulverized. And seeing Tom's height...this should be a crazy feat.
Also Inconsistencies back again, in most panels the black dude is Tom's height but in here he's ginormous compared to Tom... however I'll still use Tom's height because in many recent panels it's around 280cm, especially when he stood in front of Gap who is 6'4-6'6
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The irony is palpable
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LOL, fair enough. Though I think Aksh has been complaining about Tom’s height consistency for a month now.
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Wait wait wait
I have my own CRT that I am working on which may change the scaling drastically I am just waiting for the current 2 to finish since they are related (CQC and multipliers)
I am saying this because if you make a CRT and it gets accepted and then I make a CRT and it gets accepted you might end up with even more work (sorry its not intentional
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Oh I didn't see this I haven't been getting notifications for the lookism thread for some reason sorry Pyro
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i disagree because elite dodged it all (said by himself), it would make no sense if elite was still mid air while the guy performed all the slashes because this would mean that he is incredibly faster than elite. Then elite blized him.My reaction after seeing ts:
I think the AP of ts feat won't be much high but the speed would be crazy since the distance the slashes travelled is crazy. We can use Elite's free fall timeframe to find the speed of the slashes via pixel calcing, the speed would genuinely be crazy.
This won't be close punch evading rule because Elite just jumped backwards to dodge the first attack but was still mid air while all the other slashes were already done before he landed on the ground.
We don't really need to calc his arm movements because he either ways attacks via air slashes so it'll be his air slashes speed.
I would agree for one slash
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Ive seen a few
They put my boi UI Daniel against Alitta
WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO???
For the outlier thing an outlier doesn't mean it didn't happen an outlier means it DID happen but it makes no senseOk? Nothing even REMOTELY proves that it's an outliers when he clearly compressed the group beneath. That's called upgrading. And a jump from Class 25 to 100 isn't much either. There have been wayy bigger jumps in vsbw profiles before than this, statistically speaking, it's just extremely small comparatively. Infact ppl like Tom who used to scale to class 100 would get class M upgrade, the difference there is wayyy more than class 10 to class 100 or even Human level to Class 100, so literally rookie numbers. Also nothing would still prove that him clearly compressing the ground beneath is false. Also if Zack scales to class 100 barely then...sure.
K bro...so we just ignore clear feats. And nobody's even trying to make it the strongest verse in the first place, it seems like you have problem with the verse experiencing 'upgrade' in the first place because your concern is completely unsubstantial and unjustified. Like what? We had been ignoring clear feats for soo long that could've been calcable but now that they have been calced, they cannot be used because they'll make the verse stronger? Like what? By that logic we all should just stop making calcs to keep things as it is.
Clearly was able to resist his strength and yes his arms were twisted but he still had him pinned down so he should scale to him.
Also what's with the Big Merc liking everything against ptj upgrade.
For eg if we did a speed calc that put a character at FTL speeds but every statement in the story puts them at subsonic, every author statement puts them in subsonic, the characters themselves consider subsonic speed top tier speed and state they are subsonic in speed, and every other speed feat scales to subsonic even if the calc is 100% consistent we have to throw it out because the author clearly didn't intend for the characters to be this strong
Remember authors are NOT mathematicians or power scalers they don't calc their own stuff so I don't think its outrageous to say that when the author of questism was writing this scene they probably didn't intend for BOS Syheon to be capable of lifting tanks
Also not to mention Syheon unrionically beat Hajun who at the time had 2 S tier stats by using the weight card that made him like 100 something kilograms (I forgot the exact number) which allowed him to overpower Hajun's LS and lift him up and slam him into the ground, Hajun unrionically got mogged by a below 200kg weight bro is NOT class 100
It also contradicts later LS feats like Seok pulling up a basketball hoop or pulling a bus which if S tier strenght is enough to lift a tank you would think lifting a basketball hoop wouldn't be portrayed as if it was an impressive feats
The same issue occurs when you compare it to lookism
If all the characters were class 100 at BOS why were they struggling to lift stuff that is only 1-2 tons while training? Etc
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I think its an outlierIt seems very strange to think that we only get a Class 100 character one arc after God Dog. It would make sense for it to be a Class 10 or even a Class 25, but...
What do you think, is it an outlier or can it be overlooked?
Hajun with S tier stats got LS mogged by Syheon using the weight card who wasn't even 200kg
It also contradicts later LS feats like Seok pulling up a basketball hoop which atp he should be able to do with his pinky finger if class 100 BOS Questism is to be believed it also completely breaks lookism scaling since I don't remember the majority of lookism characters doing class 100 LS up until HFG and onwards
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To be fair from what I remember they initially put Daniel up against first key Maki Zenin or so which was deemed a mismatch but I think Alita vs UI Daniel is even more so of a mismatchIve seen a few
They put my boi UI Daniel against Alitta
WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO???
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What did you guys do to poor drite he sounds so done with everything
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Maintaining the agenda is our top priority X 1984 is a crazy crossover
You WILL accept class 100 BOS Questism or we WILL slime you out (/j)
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You also end up with FTL+ questism if you take multipliers to their logical extreme, I am dead serious
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Maybe it was FTL Questism that was promised to us 3000 years agoYou also end up with FTL+ questism if you take multipliers to their logical extreme, I am dead serious
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That's actually part of the CRT I am working on! :0
Its using Questism (since a lot of their attacks have confirmed multipliers) as a precedent to establish consistent multipliers for stuff across the PTJverse (since literally no one in Questism has mastery yet, let alone signature moves lol)
Only caveat is that we will have to slime out the basic CQC 3x multiplier because it leads to multiplier inflation and you unrionically end up with FTL+ CB+ Syheon with a 100,000,000+ multiplier
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Aksh_sky
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That's just body weight and i can remember the same thing with Goku struggling to lift a few tons. That literally doesn't prove that it's an outlier at all. Body weight also increases Shootun's stats and he also applies LS to S stat Hajun who himself stated to not actually fight seriously against Shooyun for the first timeI think its an outlier
Hajun with S tier stats got LS mogged by Syheon using the weight card who wasn't even 200kg
It also contradicts later LS feats like Seok pulling up a basketball hoop which atp he should be able to do with his pinky finger if class 100 BOS Questism is to be believed it also completely breaks lookism scaling since I don't remember the majority of lookism characters doing class 100 LS up until HFG and onwards
Aksh_sky
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Headcanons and no it doens't break the narritives at all whatsoever. I'll wait for ur crt...notify me... I'll be waiting...WE will we waiting.Only caveat is that we will have to slime out the basic CQC 3x multiplier because it leads to multiplier inflation and you unrionically end up with FTL+ CB+ Syheon with a 100,000,000+ multiplier
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To add to this in ep 458 during his fight with Jerry where Warren uses his special CQC. Warren stated that he is at his limit and that he is drawing upon every last bit of strenght he has and that the moment he ceases his attacks he will collapse, and inverse its only been like what 10 minutes? Maybe even less if all the fights in 1A are happening at the same time and we see that Warren was limping, visibly injured and panting before he started fighting UI Daniel and we saw in his flashback against Manager Kim where he used the special CQC that it really took a toll on him (both of his sleeves were torn both of his arms were bleeding he was bent over and clearly strained) fun fact when he uses the same combo on Jerry you can actually see his sleeves tearing from the strain which usually doesn't happen when he uses normal CQC (and stops happening in HFW once he masters his special CQC)
So imo there is no way Warren used his special CQC against Daniel and Daniel copied his normal CQC (thus it being orange not red, and yes I do think the colors matter because PTJ literally color coded all the abbilities, because he knows lookism readers can't read so instead he is relying on us having 1st grader level color recognition skills
(/j)) because Warren was literally running on fumes when he fought UI Daniel
Aksh_sky
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Don't waste ur args in here... we'll meet at the crt... I'll be waitingTo add to this in ep 458 during his fight with Jerry where Warren uses his special CQC. Warren stated that he is at his limit and that he is drawing upon every last bit of strenght he has and that the moment he ceases his attacks he will collapse, and inverse its only been like what 10 minutes? Maybe even less if all the fights in 1A are happening at the same time and we see that Warren was limping, visibly injured and panting before he started fighting UI Daniel and we saw in his flashback against Manager Kim where he used the special CQC that it really took a toll on him (both of his sleeves were torn both of his arms were bleeding he was bent over and clearly strained) fun fact when he uses the same combo on Jerry you can actually see his sleeves tearing from the strain which usually doesn't happen when he uses normal CQC (and stops happening in HFW once he masters his special CQC)
So imo there is no way Warren used his special CQC against Daniel and Daniel copied his normal CQC (thus it being orange not red, and yes I do think the colors matter because PTJ literally color coded all the abbilities, because he knows lookism readers can't read so instead he is relying on us having 1st grader level color recognition skills
Aksh_sky
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You basically yapped a bunch of nothing but just fyi, Shooyun's weight card also increases his stats which includes LS so LS is applied on top of his weight so we can't say that Hajun got cooked by 200kgs so Questism folks won't scale to class 100 because whenever weight class card is used, LS is also applied on top of it as it also clearly increases stats. We literally saw people like Kang Seok pulling buses and ripping off basketball thing, which'd not be possible in case they couldn't even handle a 200kg weigh.Ive seen a few
They put my boi UI Daniel against Alitta
WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO???
For the outlier thing an outlier doesn't mean it didn't happen an outlier means it DID happen but it makes no sense
For eg if we did a speed calc that put a character at FTL speeds but every statement in the story puts them at subsonic, every author statement puts them in subsonic, the characters themselves consider subsonic speed top tier speed and state they are subsonic in speed, and every other speed feat scales to subsonic even if the calc is 100% consistent we have to throw it out because the author clearly didn't intend for the characters to be this strong
Remember authors are NOT mathematicians or power scalers they don't calc their own stuff so I don't think its outrageous to say that when the author of questism was writing this scene they probably didn't intend for BOS Syheon to be capable of lifting tanks
Also not to mention Syheon unrionically beat Hajun who at the time had 2 S tier stats by using the weight card that made him like 100 something kilograms (I forgot the exact number) which allowed him to overpower Hajun's LS and lift him up and slam him into the ground, Hajun unrionically got mogged by a below 200kg weight bro is NOT class 100
It also contradicts later LS feats like Seok pulling up a basketball hoop or pulling a bus which if S tier strenght is enough to lift a tank you would think lifting a basketball hoop wouldn't be portrayed as if it was an impressive feats
The same issue occurs when you compare it to lookism
If all the characters were class 100 at BOS why were they struggling to lift stuff that is only 1-2 tons while training? Etc
Many verses in vsbw can't actually 'lift' or deal with people who can manipulate weight or have their own mass inflicting LS or high mass objects with low volume but still have LS of like class P or something. I could show u innumerable examples but none of ur explaination proves that it's an outlier.
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K bro...guess what...Warren got serious stamina issues. WHAT ABOUT IT???So imo there is no way Warren used his special CQC against Daniel and Daniel copied his normal CQC (thus it being orange not red, and yes I do think the colors matter because PTJ literally color coded all the abbilities, because he knows lookism readers can't read so instead he is relying on us having 1st grader level color recognition skills
And also the Jeet Kune Do CQC is orange and that's what UI Daniel copied too so either you're colourblind or you're the one having problems recognising colours.
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I never said that Seok Kang can't do those things because we literally saw him do it
Also we have no proof that Syheon's strenght stat and weight card have sepeate LS, his strenght increased to S rank BECAUSE of the weight card, catlover already explained why its not a multiplier
My point was that the weight he is pulling (around 1 or above to according to acceepted calcs) is dozens of times lower than his supposed stats at SR/SSR
Basically if S rank = 50 tons
But
SSR rank = 1-2 tons
that is a contradiction therfore the 50 ton thing is an outlier as LS around the few tons range is far more consistent
...except Syheon does not have insane mass with low volume lol
Granted he is on the shorter end in terms of height but his weight got increase to 156 kg if I remember correctly (BOS weight card increases weight by 100kg) Syheon would weight about as much as a sumo wrestler I think which is obviously insane and superhuman but not to a degree that someone who supposedly has class 100 strenght shouldn't be able to lift lol
Also examples from other verses don't matter as we are talking about questism, if you used an example from say dragon ball that doesn't mean that questism works on the same rules, we have a precedent sure but you need to actually prove that its actually the case anyhow 11 pm here so ama go to bed gn
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If he doesn't have enough stamina left to use it then he didn't use it, catlover already outlined that Warren could have just switched to normal CQC
Also when Daniel copies the CQC the stance that he makes after hitting them is the same as the normal CQC stance NOT the jeet kune do one I'll post a comparison screenshot tomorrow
Ok fair instead of us bickering over it
@Pyro9278 @CatLover313 is Warren's special jeet kune do CQC red or orange?
I should really go sleep I have to clean tomorrow
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OiThat's actually part of the CRT I am working on! :0
Its using Questism (since a lot of their attacks have confirmed multipliers) as a precedent to establish consistent multipliers for stuff across the PTJverse (since literally no one in Questism has mastery yet, let alone signature moves lol)
Only caveat is that we will have to slime out the basic CQC 3x multiplier because it leads to multiplier inflation and you unrionically end up with FTL+ CB+ Syheon with a 100,000,000+ multiplier
Oi Oi Transcendance is Mastery!!!
I’m just kidding, have fun doing that.
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Bro please spell Suhyeon right
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Again, that's called an upgrade not 'contraction' you dk what contradiction even means. I've already explained why it's not an outlier.
What? I've already explained that when somebody uses the weight card, LS is applied seperately on top of it so it's not them just dealing with 200 or 500kgs but also their LS as they increase their stats too. What takes for u to track?
Holy tracking demon. I've already stated that Shooyun applies LS in this own body that prevents him from getting ragdolled like that, similarly he also applied his own LS + weight card in the ground too, it's not JUST the weight that prevents people drom ragdolling him because if you resists being lifted by someone while wrestling them, then even if they have sub stellar LS, they still wouldn't be able to lift you because your LS scales to it, simple as that.
A good example of it would be when Luffy wrestled with Urashima in Wano, Urashima was unable to lift Luffy even though he is like 100 times his weight and wayy bigger in size and has class uhh whatever LS, he was unable to lift Luffy not because he weighed that much but because Luffy applied LS on himself, which was higher than Urashima.
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He is spelled 'Suhyeon' in many translations and 'Shooyun' in many too, so I'm not mispelling.
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No idea who Gaproyungmu is, sounds like a strong character. Definitely must be him.
Real talk, Prime Gapryong is stronger than Prime Shingen and for two reasons. We haven’t seen the fight, we only know the result is that Gapryong won. The second is that Gapryong is highlighted as the pinnacle of Gen 0, not Shingen.
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Strongest is Doo Lee
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You mean Soohyun, which is an alternative of Suhyeon.
Aksh_sky
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Wtv bro, same thing
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I didn't notice that but now that you mention it that's pretty funny lol
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Yenna mogs
She got both Gun and the Ultimate King to submit to her she even rode the ultimate king like a stead into battle
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I am genuinely curious what would fit your definition of an outlier lol
Pyro already explained that for it to be an uprade not an outlier there needs to be more consistency, we can't just argument from sillence everything otherwise you might as well make everyone boundless atp cuz 'lack of proof is not proof of absence'
That's why we have the consistency rule in place and why outliers exist, basically if every LS feat after this one contradicts it by being dozens of times weaker then its probably an outlier
Ahhh I think I get what you mean but you could have worded it better when Syheon's weight increases his strenght increases which would naturally increase his abbility to lift (a 156kg of muscle will have a far easier time lifting something heavier compared to 56kg of muscle) that is true however you still have to prove that BOS Hajun and Syheon having class 100 LS is consistent
Ok now I get it fair enough, but again you need to prove that the calc and feat is consistent with the rest of the verse's showings
Reminder that special CQC having a 100x multiplier was discarded due to inconsistency
As I said I get your example with Hajun now fair enough again the point is that every LS feat after this one where characters have higher stats and thus higher LS is expoentially less impressive
If they had class 100 at BOS with S tier stats you would think Kang Seok would be training by bench pressing cars not by pulling out a basketball hoop lol
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Also a few questions about my upcoming CRT:
1. My CRT covers multipliers for death hand/kick and feint and counter, however cloudy's CRT also covers them so is it fine if I include them BUT with an added notation saying they should be ignored for now until Cloudy's CRT gets acceepted/denied, the reason why I want to put them is because if his CRT gets acceepted then that section can just be ignored, but if it gets denied and I DIDN'T include them in mine then I would probably need to make a new CRT and I'd rather not clog up a CRT spot for something that I can include in this one
2. Is there a currently open CRT slot? I am really busy today but I think I can finish it on Saturday and post it if there is a spot available
1. My CRT covers multipliers for death hand/kick and feint and counter, however cloudy's CRT also covers them so is it fine if I include them BUT with an added notation saying they should be ignored for now until Cloudy's CRT gets acceepted/denied, the reason why I want to put them is because if his CRT gets acceepted then that section can just be ignored, but if it gets denied and I DIDN'T include them in mine then I would probably need to make a new CRT and I'd rather not clog up a CRT spot for something that I can include in this one
2. Is there a currently open CRT slot? I am really busy today but I think I can finish it on Saturday and post it if there is a spot available
Aksh_sky
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That's due to internal narritive incosnsistency, not scaling Inconsistency.
Aksh_sky
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1. Who even is cloudy?
2. The feint and counter crt hasn't even been completed for it to be implemented so I'd recommend you to wait for it if you're mentioning those points in ur crt.
