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The One High 1-A upscale
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Katipax
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Oh sh#t, you guys actually got him here@Executor_N0 @Qawsedf234 @Planck69 @Ovy7 @GrathOfLux @Udlmaster @FinePoint @SamanPatou @ActuallySpaceMan42 @ShinMaximillion @RaikiKurohane99 @SuperNova55555
Do you have any evaluations regarding this?
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Ant stepped out himself to prove you wrong XD
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The first image isn't working for me. The 2nd one about the Matrix works.@Executor_N0 @Qawsedf234 @Planck69 @Ovy7 @GrathOfLux @Udlmaster @FinePoint @SamanPatou @ActuallySpaceMan42 @ShinMaximillion @RaikiKurohane99 @SuperNova55555
Do you have any evaluations regarding this?
Based on this scan from the cosmology page linked, I find the proof sufficient for High 1-A.
Since the ToL already holds the framework of many layers of 1-A, the Crown being described as a Unity where everything dissolves into something that is One and Infinite should be good enough for High 1-A.
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yaaay thats one mod
Katipax
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"Oh look at me I actually got Antvasima to ping mods that actually know the thing in question and get it voted mimimimi"
f#ck you
Optimus.negz
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In fact, it is only stated that Primus will rejoin the Omniversal Matrix once he has achieved his objective; in other words, there is no inaccessibility
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except he cannot enter without access from the one tho lol? that is inaccessiblitity
Optimus.negz
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But you’ve established that ToL shares the same essence as Primus; that is, if Primus reaches the Omniversal Matrix (which has already been established narratively), then both structures share the same ontology, so there is no difference in their frameworks.
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except The ToL only has a part of primus, not his full essence
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and if it even had the full essence of primus, this doesnt really stop from the one being high 1-A due to fact he should still be above primus
Optimus.negz
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"Part of his essence" doesn't really work as an objection here unless you can back it up. Essence in this system is qualitative, not quantitative (that's literally what separates 1-A - High 1-A from everything below it) - so "a part of an essence" isn't a coherent category unless Primus is stated to have multiple distinct essences and only lent one to the ToL.
What's actually being described in the scans, causal derivation (ToL comes from Primus) or expression (ToL only manifests/uses part of Primus's power)? Either of those is compatible with them still sharing the exact same underlying essence/ontology. Do you have a scan that explicitly frames it as a division of essence rather than just a creation/manifestation relationship? Otherwise it's an assumption being read into the scan, not something the text says.
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i will look at those later, maybe mentioned in the transformers marvel comics.
however like i said, this only stops the omniversal matrix from being high 1-A, not the one cause the one should also be above the omniversal matrix
Optimus.negz
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He cannot, because the narrative implies that: The One will grant Primus access to the OM after he has accomplished his objective – namely, to stop Unicron. Which has been achieved.
Optimus.negz
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The One implies that he is within that very same structure by saying ‘Join me’ or something along those lines
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pretty sure there is like, only one speech bubble of the omniversal matrix lol. but lemme check
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it doesnt in primal scream aka the only part where the omniversal matrix was ever mentioned and the one doesnt even talk
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Yes, I’ve just checked, but the burden of proof still lies with you, and you’ll have to prove to me that The One exists on different frameworks.
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it has been stated countless times, that the one existed before existence and started it all, and should logically be above everything aswell
and, him existing there wouldnt debunk him from being high 1-A,
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