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I would be very shocked if the Emeralds could be transmuted icl to you.
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Oh yeah we’re doing this; Mario Mario vs Sonic the Hedgehog [1-7-0]
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AyOgUyS
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What does "icl" mean?
AyOgUyS
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WAIT WHAT IF MARIO JUST LIKE TRANSMUTES THE RINGS, PETS, ITEM BOXES, AND EVERYTHING?!?!??!?! NONE OF THOSE HAVE RESISTANCE TO TRANSMUTATION
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I can't lie
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Ok. Tho I mean the Emeralds can grant resistance to Transmutation but that doesn't necessarily mean they can't be transmuted.
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I thought the Chaos Energy from the Chaos Emeralds grants the resistance to Transmutation and since the Emeralds are teeming with Chaos Energy they’d also be fine with it
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_Emeralds_(Game)#The_Emeralds
Emeralds have the resistance here
Emeralds have the resistance here
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Ok well everything except the Emeralds gets telekinetically thrown away/crushed or transmuted. Then Mario simply stacks his amps and hopefully just K.Os Sonic eventually?
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I mean can Mario just telekinetic pluck out everything from Sonic’s hammerspace? Can he just cartoonishly pluck the Tornado from Sonic’s hammerspace
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If they're in hammerspace then they aren't being used so Mario doesn't have to worry about them.
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Given that the chaos emeralds are also able to grant resistance to transmutation wouldn't that mean sonic can use them to prevent whatever items he has left from getting transmutated?
They also have restoration as well so can't they just restore any already transmuted items back to their original state of being?
They also have restoration as well so can't they just restore any already transmuted items back to their original state of being?
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Well, if it helps anything, both Mario & Sonic are on a time limit here, because the planets gonna get destroyed in a bit.
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What's stopping Sonic from just BFR with Chaos Control again? I can't find anything that would stop that with Mario's kit on his profile.
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What's the point? Sonic will already have at least thousands of rings by then and Mario has no reason to target these things rather than Sonic himself.
No, he can't. At best, he can use lightning to make Sonic drop many of his items and then pick them up for himself. Telekinesis is a sketchy argument at best though. No one ever used the Power Star for that, which is probably why it's not even on Mario's profile.
It's not. As I keep saying, they both have a win con here.
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He does have a reason tho? If it clicks in Mario's head that the Rings are protecting Sonic, logically either removing or circumventing said Rings is the best course of action.
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What are the win cons?
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Your claim was that he would transmutate Sonic's equipment. Why would he do that instead of targeting Sonic directly?
Transmutation and Chaos Control BFR
Nothing. Sonic just would just need to be pressed to do it since it's not something he's ever done in canon. We just know he could. Less experienced Chaos Control users have or would have done it without needing to be taught.
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With the advance 3 thing I didn’t take it as Sonic summoning them from space, so much as they just left Gemerl the same way Solaris ejected them.
But it is another example that super forms don’t need the emeralds physically inside them to maintain the form.
But it is another example that super forms don’t need the emeralds physically inside them to maintain the form.
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Well I would assume Sonic would use Chaos Control to do this if he had to, considering that nothing else would work and that he thinks that losing to Mario will result in "dire consequences".
I vote for Sonic FRA, specifically through Chaos Control BFR
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Cuz like wouldn't Mario go for incapping rather than straight up killing at first? SBA makes the combatants willing to win, not kill (I think)
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If that's the case, then Mario is just worse off for it because Sonic's win con is already non-lethal
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Mario isn't constantly on guard though. I mean I do agree its nearly impossible for him to hit someone zillions of times faster but its not a 0% chance
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That is unlikely to happen here though. In the ending, the Crystal Stars travel to Rogueport and other places to gather wishes and "positive energy" from people. It then weakened the Shadow Queen because she's darkness. I'm not really sure how much it empowered Mario or if it even made him stronger at all, he was amped by Peach
The other instance would be the Brothership final boss but notice how this tends to only occur when Mario is fighting the final boss? Its unlikely to be activated the same way here. It also takes time and I doubt Sonic would stand still and let all of that happen
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Mario is probably not gonna do this. You're arguing Mario stacks his amps because you're a powerscaler, Mario is not, you can't prove he would use Battle Cards in that manner. There's no way to prove he'd use the Gold Flower either, who's to say he won't use this or the Penguin suit he uses in the Wii games instead?
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Sorry, I'm not sure I'm following? Yes, BFR via Chaos Control is non-lethal. (I thought about Mario using his dimensional travel to escape but eh lemme guess Chaos Control BFRs the target to like a isolated dimension a 1-C distance away?)
There's no way to prove for certain Mario would do this specific thing because he's quite literally never had all of this stuff on him. Granted I'm not a huge Mario fan but I'm sure if he's up against an opponent who's spamming blitz amp techniques and is putting bta on him and he had an absurd amount of amps to close the gap he would definitely use his amps instead of sitting there doing something between **** and all. Now, would he try like his most OP reality warping stuff first? Admittedly, no he's not like a bloodthirsty maniac. But does he also have infinite attempts to win and figure out what doesn't work on Sonic? Also yes as long as he can avoid Chaos Control. After everything else fails, he's gonna resort to his most broken stuff eventually. Now tbf you could make a fair argument that Sonic resorts to Chaos Controlling Mario first.
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Mario would definitely spam stop watch
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As I've established in an earlier reply, Sonic's BFR is indeed far beyond the range of Mario's DT via Power Stars.
Agreed. The only place where both's characters "in-character" actions really matter is at the start of the fight, because sooner or later they will have to resort to stuff they're less used to using in combat since they can't take each other down without it.
Idk if you're serious. Let's say you are. This strategy absolutely cooks Mario beyond belief. Sonic resists that and has a far superior form of time stop in Chaos Control.
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Wait. The realm's being smelted by Unithor. Mario can fly, no? And Sonic can't. If Sonic BFRs himself away to another dimension he loses via self-BFR. So what if Mario like flies away and just watches the realm be destroyed. Mario could also like duplicate himself a bunch so Sonic can't BFR every Mario at once.
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Yeah, I didn't take this seriously and wrote first sentence that comes to my mind.
Is it?, given this strategy would benefit Mario in stamina (alongside forming a plan while everyone/everything is frozen) and sonic rings stop return back to him. Idk, him not being affected by Time anomaly, while still being affected by others time stop, rises multiple questions, are you sure it's full resistance and not limited?.
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Sonic DOES have a full resistance, it’s just that Chaos Control is layered Timestop, which is why it still works on characters like Sonic.
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……Meh, even with that resistance, sonic other Arsenal and rings being froze in one place would give Mario more chances.
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