HELLSING - General Discussion

[Robo432343]

Should I make a profile for that vampire priest we saw in chapter 1

 

[Random-Helper323]

Should I make a profile for that vampire priest we saw in chapter 1

It's hard to do that because we can't scale him to anyone. He's above the two idiots, but we don't know how he fares against Jan. We do know he's below Luke.

 

[Robo432343]

It's hard to do that because we can't scale him to anyone. He's above the two idiots, but we don't know how he fares against Jan. We do know he's below Luke.

He's above both Luke and Jan because he's a true vampire and true vampires are stronger than artificial ones

 

[Random-Helper323]

He's above both Luke and Jan because he's a true vampire and true vampires are stronger than artificial ones

Alucard was impressed enough by Luke's physical abilities that he believed his claims to be Alucard's equal and said that he was above even the strongest vampires. So Luke would have been physically stronger than pretty much any vampire Alucard has faced.

 

[Robo432343]

Alucard was impressed enough by Luke's physical abilities that he believed his claims to be Alucard's equal and said that he was above even the strongest vampires. So Luke would have been physically stronger than pretty much any vampire Alucard has faced.

Alucard was wrong and disgusted by Luke when he found out that he can’t do anything like regrow his legs, transform, and summon familiars etc. The only thing impressive about Luke was his speed.

Imo Tubalcain is stronger than Luke. He showed stronger destructive feats and was good enough to be used as a familiar

 

[Random-Helper323]

Alucard was wrong and disgusted by Luke when he found out that he can’t do anything like regrow his legs, transform, and summon familiars etc. The only thing impressive about Luke was his speed.

More so than anything else Alucard faced.

We also can't say artificial vampires are all weaker when the priest died to a pistol shot and hand strike, while Luke took multiple pistol shots and Tubalcain took that and more.

 

[Robo432343]

We also can't say artificial vampires are all weaker when the priest died to a pistol shot and hand strike, while Luke took multiple pistol shots and Tubalcain took that and more.

But remember the priest said, "Guns could never do a thing to a vampire"? The guns Alucard used was explicitly made to hunt down vampires like that. That hand strike turned the priest into paste and if Alucard did that to Luke he would not have survived either. Also Luke was given super speed as his special ability but the priest was already naturally faster than gunfire

 

[Random-Helper323]

But remember the priest said, "Guns could never do a thing to a vampire"? The guns Alucard used was explicitly made to hunt down vampires like that. That hand strike turned the priest into paste and if Alucard did that to Luke he would not have survived either. Also Luke has to be given super speed but the priest was already naturally faster than gunfire

Luke was taking shots and continuing, the priest dropped from one shot like a bag of potatoes. Both shared the vampiric weakness to blessed silver, so that isn't it. Alucard also directly said he hasn't had as much fun in ages as he's having with Luke, and bluntly said Luke was already shown to be above a category A vampire. Combine those two statements together and it's obvious his physical abilities alone place him above other vampires.

And again, to universally apply the rule that artificial vampires are weaker you'd also need to place Tubalcain below the priest.

When discussing natural vampires, we're talking about people who've inherited a version of Alucard's original powers that has been repeatedly watered down as it was passed from one vampire to another repeatedly over the course of centuries, with most if not all of those vampires being without any of the willpower or extra abilities that have made Alucard such a monster. The artificial vampires are technically closer to the original since they're based on Mina, someone Alucard himself bit. Seras clearly isn't a good example, since she gained enormous power clearly far above the priest.

 

[Robo432343]

Luke was taking shots and continuing, the priest dropped from one shot like a bag of potatoes. Both shared the vampiric weakness to blessed silver, so that isn't it. Alucard also directly said he hasn't had as much fun in ages as he's having with Luke, and bluntly said Luke was already shown to be above a category A vampire. Combine those two statements together and it's obvious his physical abilities alone place him above other vampires.

And again, to universally apply the rule that artificial vampires are weaker you'd also need to place Tubalcain below the priest.

When discussing natural vampires, we're talking about people who've inherited a version of Alucard's original powers that has been repeatedly watered down as it was passed from one vampire to another repeatedly over the course of centuries, with most if not all of those vampires being without any of the willpower or extra abilities that have made Alucard such a monster. The artificial vampires are technically closer to the original since they're based on Mina, someone Alucard himself bit. Seras clearly isn't a good example, since she gained enormous power clearly far above the priest.

Alright
Can't we just scale the priest to this statement?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Alright
Can't we just scale the priest to this statement?

It is weird given he references transformation when no other vampires ever shows that ability, but the ability to tear apart humans like rags is supported by Pip's comment on them too. He's basing that on what Hellsing knows about vampires. It can't be unique to Alucard level vampires since he's referring to the Millennium vampires, but it also isn't unique to artificial vampires since he'd have no way to know all of that based on the limited exposure they'd had to such beings up to that point.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I checked my 8-Bs for matches...

War (Darksiders)

War is the main protagonist of Darksiders and a Deuteragonist of Darksiders: Genesis Nephilim. A race nearly of the Old Ones, waging a war across creation for the search of either a home or wanton destruction,[2] but four among their number grew tired of the slaughter: War, Death, Fury, and...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Uriel (Darksiders)

Uriel is a supporting character and minor antagonist in Darksiders and Darksiders II Born some time before the events of Darksiders; The Abomination Vault, Uriel was a first pick to join Abaddon's Hellguard and trained from a young age to be a warrior, with her first taste of real combat coming...

vsbattles.fandom.com

So off to an amazing start. If it's not Alucard who just uses hax they just... batter *******.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I checked my 8-Bs for matches...

War (Darksiders)

War is the main protagonist of Darksiders and a Deuteragonist of Darksiders: Genesis Nephilim. A race nearly of the Old Ones, waging a war across creation for the search of either a home or wanton destruction,[2] but four among their number grew tired of the slaughter: War, Death, Fury, and...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Uriel (Darksiders)

Uriel is a supporting character and minor antagonist in Darksiders and Darksiders II Born some time before the events of Darksiders; The Abomination Vault, Uriel was a first pick to join Abaddon's Hellguard and trained from a young age to be a warrior, with her first taste of real combat coming...

vsbattles.fandom.com

So off to an amazing start. If it's not Alucard who just uses hax they just... batter *******.

I'm currently running one that's kind of an initiation.

Homelander vs Seras Victoria

In honour of the Hellsing cast becoming 8-B, and Seras getting her ability section updated, she enters one of the community's favourite methods of test. 8-B Homelander is being used. Seras's AP: 55 tons of TNT Homelander's AP: upscale from 20.5 tons of TNT Speed equalized. Fight takes place...

vsbattles.com

 

[Robo432343]

It is weird given he references transformation when no other vampires ever shows that ability, but the ability to tear apart humans like rags is supported by Pip's comment on them too. He's basing that on what Hellsing knows about vampires. It can't be unique to Alucard level vampires since he's referring to the Millennium vampires, but it also isn't unique to artificial vampires since he'd have no way to know all of that based on the limited exposure they'd had to such beings up to that point.

Do you think the priest should at least be comparable to incomplete vampire seras

 

[Random-Helper323]

Do you think the priest should at least be comparable to incomplete vampire seras

It's hard to say for sure since she takes down lots of Millennium vampires and she's a direct descendant of Alucard.

Her skull crushing feats are performed earlier than that, and remember Jan was comparable to her early on. I think Seras was stronger during Zorin's attack on the mansion than she was when the Valentine brothers' attack. The feats she's measured by are from earlier though, and they line up with what's said about vampires.

Honestly though, the priest can just be measured based on that scan and scale to Seras crushing a skull.

 

[Robo432343]

It's hard to say for sure since she takes down lots of Millennium vampires and she's a direct descendant of Alucard.

Her skull crushing feats are performed earlier than that, and remember Jan was comparable to her early on. I think Seras was stronger during Zorin's attack on the mansion than she was when the Valentine brothers' attack. The feats she's measured by are from earlier though, and they line up with what's said about vampires.

Honestly though, the priest can just be measured based on that scan and scale to Seras crushing a skull.

Would it be okay for the priest to have these abilities? (This would not apply to artificial vampires)

Spoiler: abilities

Superhuman Physical Characteristics (Vampires are noted to be exceedingly powerful, being able to tear through humans like they were mere rags
Bodily Weaponry (Conventional: Vampires possess fangs or claws which can be used to rip apart their victims and drink their blood
Enhanced Senses (Vampires can accurately track their target from 600 meters away at night
Extrasensory Perception (It is noted that vampires have excellent reflexes and concentration, a sixth sense as well as having a heightened perception
Surface Scaling (Vampires can walk on walls and run up them
Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, and 7; Vampires are noted to be ageless, immortal and undead
Regeneration (Low-Mid; Vampires can normally regenerate from things such as Alucard being shot by multiple guns at once and losing parts of his body and arms
Supernatural Willpower (Vampires can overcome wounds, even from their weaknesses as long as it doesn't target their heart
Analytical Prediction (Vampires can precisely calculate and predetermine their opponents' moves to react accordingly
Statistics Amplification (Blood enhances the strength and abilities of a vampire
Shapeshifting (Alucard views basic vampire abilities the ability to transform into mist or bats
Telepathy (Vampires are able to speak telepathically with their servants
Corruption and Power Bestowal (Vampires can only breed more vampires by drinking the blood of a virgin of the opposite sex, others are simply food and end up becoming ghouls, the servants of vampires
Blood Manipulation (Vampires are able to suck the blood from humans which acts as both their sustenance and as a way to heal or resurrect themselves
Absorption (Sucking blood out of one is to make the whole existence of a life one's own)
Fusionism (Through sucking one's blood, vampires have a combination with the existence of others and the fusion of their lives and minds
Animal Manipulation (Vampires can manipulate wolves and bats

 

[Random-Helper323]

Would it be okay for the priest to have these abilities? (This would not apply to artificial vampires)

I'll take a look.

Superhuman Physical Characteristics (Vampires are noted to be exceedingly powerful, being able to tear through humans like they were mere rags

Yes.

Bodily Weaponry (Conventional: Vampires possess fangs or claws which can be used to rip apart their victims and drink their blood

Yes.

Enhanced Senses (Vampires can accurately track their target from 600 meters away at night

Yes.

Extrasensory Perception (It is noted that vampires have excellent reflexes and concentration, a sixth sense as well as having a heightened perception

Yes.

Surface Scaling (Vampires can walk on walls and run up them

This might be an ability only Alucard and artificial vampires have. That's why I didn't add it to Seras' profile.

Immortality (Types 1, 2, 3, and 7; Vampires are noted to be ageless, immortal and undead

Yes.

Regeneration (Low-Mid; Vampires can normally regenerate from things such as Alucard being shot by multiple guns at once and losing parts of his body and arms

Best to scale him to base Seras' regeneration. We just don't have enough to go on for him otherwise.

Supernatural Willpower (Vampires can overcome wounds, even from their weaknesses as long as it doesn't target their heart

Not sure about this. Even Seras doesn't have it.

Analytical Prediction (Vampires can precisely calculate and predetermine their opponents' moves to react accordingly

Yes.

Statistics Amplification (Blood enhances the strength and abilities of a vampire

We don't see proof of this, so I'd say no.

Shapeshifting (Alucard views basic vampire abilities the ability to transform into mist or bats

I'm not sure about this either.

Telepathy (Vampires are able to speak telepathically with their servants

Should be fine.

Corruption and Power Bestowal (Vampires can only breed more vampires by drinking the blood of a virgin of the opposite sex, others are simply food and end up becoming ghouls, the servants of vampires

Sure

Blood Manipulation (Vampires are able to suck the blood from humans which acts as both their sustenance and as a way to heal or resurrect themselves
Absorption (Sucking blood out of one is to make the whole existence of a life one's own)

Sure.

Fusionism (Through sucking one's blood, vampires have a combination with the existence of others and the fusion of their lives and minds

We see the priest not have this kind of ability, and I'm not sure he has all their knowledge either, since he didn't seem to have absorbed knowledge of Seras from her fellow officers.

Animal Manipulation (Vampires can manipulate wolves and bats

We see nothing of this from him. And again, Seras wasn't given it either.

 

[Robo432343]

We don't see proof of this, so I'd say no.

I think blood enhancing the strength of vampires including the priest is quite evident

After some talking about it we've reached a conclusion that the verse should work on a Universal energy system that's based on blood. Blood in Hellsing is the source of life and contains the mind, body, soul, and entire existence of an individual. Vampires use this as a power source by absorbing more blood. For example, drinking blood made Alucard go from a dying corpse to a killing machine, restoring his strength. When Seras drank blood, her raw power, speed and overall capabilities increased massively than before. The more lives that a vampire consumes, the stronger that they will become (Lives = Blood) and Alucard is often stated to be the strongest vampire mainly because he has consumed such a large number of lives and increased his soul stock. However, refusing to drink blood will weaken yours powers hence why Seras must sleep in a coffin.

dont see why the priest wouldn't get stronger from drinking blood

 

[Robo432343]

by the way wouldn't this statement prove that its actually levels that determine Alucard's strength and not if he's wearing a straitjacket?

HELLSING official guide book p. 007. "ヘルシング家に仕える吸血鬼となってから、彼の能力は拘束制御 術式ヘ《クロムウェル》によって数段階に制限されている。" (Rough Translation: Since becoming a vampire in the service of the Hellsing family, his abilities have been limited to a few Levels by Cromwell's Control Art Restriction System.)

HELLSING official guide book p. 007. "敵の能力に伴う段階までは自ら解放することができるが..." (Rough Translation: He can release his own restrictions up to the Level associated with those of his enemies...)

 

[Random-Helper323]

by the way wouldn't this statement prove that its actually levels that determine Alucard's strength and not if he's wearing a straitjacket?

A) He can't transform into that form until he releases the restrictions.

B) We see other abilities besides AP come out from those releases.

C) His entire army of 120K+ is only available to launch out as a tidal wave with Level 0. This is outright treated as his greatest power, regardless of his physical AP at the time.

D) Most importantly, we see Red Coat and Count Alucard trade blows evenly with base Anderson, then we see Red Coat get decisively and consistently overwhelmed by Nail Anderson, then we see him turn into Straitjacket and turn it around on Nail Anderson, going so far as to one-shot him. All this happened while released to Level 0, yet we see clear differences in strength that coincide with form, not release level. This also clashes with Alucard's strength coming from his soul stock, because he had more souls when Anderson was bearing down on him than when he ripped Anderson apart. His soul army was burned to nothing by Anderson before that even happened; that's why he was vulnerable to Walter right afterwards. This is also evidence for why Post-Schrodinger Alucard would still have the same physical abilities.

 

[Robo432343]

i see
its just 'straitjacket form' is a term that was never referenced in the series so i wasn't really sure if we could call it that

 

[DaReaperMan]

i see
its just 'straitjacket form' is a term that was never referenced in the series so i wasn't really sure if we could call it that

If something has no official name, and there's a popular fan made one, we use that.

 

[Random-Helper323]

i see
its just 'straitjacket form' is a term that was never referenced in the series so i wasn't really sure if we could call it that

It's explicitly a straitjacket. We could call it his shadow form, but he doesn't always have a shadow composition. The common theme is the black straitjacket.

 

[Robo432343]

It's explicitly a straitjacket. We could call it his shadow form, but he doesn't always have a shadow composition. The common theme is the black straitjacket.

Do you think the priest would have some resistance to Zorin's third eye? I remember Seras in her incomplete stage was able to resist it until Zorin further enhanced the ability

 

[Random-Helper323]

Do you think the priest would have some resistance to Zorin's third eye? I remember Seras in her incomplete stage was able to resist it until Zorin further enhanced the ability

Maybe. It's annoyingly vague. We honestly might not have enough material to work with for him.

 

[Robo432343]

Maybe. It's annoyingly vague. We honestly might not have enough material to work with for him.

I think for the abilities that you were unsure about, we can just list it as 'possibly' ratings
Surface scaling, statistics amp, shapeshifting, fusionism, and animal manip can all be listed as possibly

 

[Robo432343]

HELLSING are also extremely similar to Bram Stoker’s creation: they are monsters with immortal bodies and superhuman strength far surpassing that of humans. They abhor sunlight, cannot cross flowing water, and their reflections do not appear in mirrors. Furthermore, if a virgin—whether male or female—is bitten by one of them, they transform into a Draculina (female vampire) or Dracul (male vampire) with free will; however, if the victim is not a virgin, they become a ghoul—a servant who obeys the commands of the vampire that bit them—and wander in search of human flesh, driven by instinct. The artificial vampires developed by the “Last Battalion” possess nearly all the characteristics of these vampires, but in terms of ability, they do not seem to match those of genuine vampires.