Ayanokouji vs L, but in Chess

[NitroWatch]

The Heavenly Masterpiece


Vs

God's Intuition

• Both will play a game of Classical Chess with a 30-minute timer and a 30-second increment
• L is given 1 week of prep to know the ins and outs of Chess
• ANHS Key is used
• Speed equalized

Ayanokouji: XxZetsuxX TheHuntsman1001
L:
Draw:

 

[Nonynho]

Is Ayanokoji remarked as a grandmaster or something alike, in chess?

 

[BoastJr]

Doesn't Koji have insane pattern recognition feats ? I am not sure if L can bait him here

 

[Nonynho]

Doesn't Koji have insane pattern recognition feats ? I am not sure if L can bait him here

But L also have that for him so idk if it's a crazy advantage

 

[Vapidhoe]

• Even as an illiterate child, L was able to make a 20,000x return on the stock market, showing his superhuman learning ability

This is a crazy ******* feat, what the hell? the sheer amount of information and knowledge that he learned for Stocks, the fundamental of it, emotional trends, etc and the fact that he can analyse all of those and be able to pull 20.000x return should really put him in the upper echelon of EG, this is simply not possible unless someone really has future cognition, or is borderline supergenius, L kinda negs if this is true

 

[Nonynho]

• Even as an illiterate child, L was able to make a 20,000x return on the stock market, showing his superhuman learning ability

This is a crazy ******* feat, what the hell? the sheer amount of information and knowledge that he learned for Stocks, the fundamental of it, emotional trends, etc and the fact that he can analyse all of those and be able to pull 20.000x return should really put him in the upper echelon of EG, this is simply not possible unless someone really has future cognition, or is borderline supergenius, L kinda negs if this is true

Now give somene hundreds if not thousands of times more capable than that a week to learn a game

See what i mean that if Ayanokoji ain't a GM he doesn't have not even 0,0000001% of a chance?

 

[NitroWatch]

• Even as an illiterate child, L was able to make a 20,000x return on the stock market, showing his superhuman learning ability

This is a crazy ******* feat, what the hell? the sheer amount of information and knowledge that he learned for Stocks, the fundamental of it, emotional trends, etc and the fact that he can analyse all of those and be able to pull 20.000x return should really put him in the upper echelon of EG, this is simply not possible unless someone really has future cognition, or is borderline supergenius, L kinda negs if this is true

I talked with a Cote supporter and they thought Koji could still win even when I brought up this feat, so we’ll see

 

[Nonynho]

I talked with a Cote supporter and they thought Koji could still win even when I brought up this feat, so we’ll see

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I am pretty sure that stock market stuff was debunked as that isn't how it works, so that feat is kinda invalidated

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And considering i don't think that feat can be used

I think Ayanokouji wins unfathomably easily due to stomping in LA and experience in chess

Edit: That coupled with better chess knowledge + better psychology + better foresight and EI

 

[Vapidhoe]

I talked with a Cote supporter and they thought Koji could still win even when I brought up this feat, so we’ll see

A 20,000x stock market return in just two years is functionally impossible in real life, you either has future cognition, or you're just batshit insanely smart, this is supergenius territory level

the structure of the financial markets, liquidity constraints and mathematical realities of stocks market make this kid L's feat in the upper echelon, borderline supergenius level.

An average investor would need a compounded annual growth rate of 14,042% each year. even a batshit insane investor like Warren has averaged a CAGR of about 20% over his entire career, a tens of thousands that amount literally not possible in any way

note that the stock market relies heavily on fundamental real world context. if L as a child can recognize numerical patterns and also the corporate earnings reports, executive changes or regulatory filings, and industry extremely specific terminology even which literally takes dozens of years to fundamentally understand all of this, his learning capabilities should stomp ayanokoji learning capabilites of learning complex master or even maybe doctorate level of subjects.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

A 20,000x stock market return in just two years is functionally impossible in real life, you either has future cognition, or you're just batshit insanely smart, this is supergenius territory level

Or luck or the world works differently from ours (at least in the stock market part)

 

[Nonynho]

I am pretty sure that stock market stuff was debunked as that isn't how it works, so that feat is kinda invalidated

Please link to said CRT, because if not, there's no possible way to say "this ain't how it works" lol

 

[XxZetsuxX]

But tbf, i would wait for Huntsman on that

Iirc, he has experience or at least knowledge in that department

 

[Nonynho]

Or luck or the world works differently from ours (at least in the stock market part)

no, the feat presentation actually presents how it is possible lol

• Even as an illiterate child, L was able to make a 20,000x return on the stock market, showing his superhuman learning ability

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will wait for Huntsman, because again, he is the one who debunked it due to stock market not working that way

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Oh but i did find this, Huntsman made it

Lawliet Stock Feat Debunk

Lawliet’s Stock Market Feat: L earned an impressive 20,000x return on his stock investments in just two years, an outcome that under normal circumstances would be considered impossible. He gained these returns on an initial investment of 1 million pounds and these returns would shatter any known ...

docs.google.com

Read it and wait for him if you still have questions ig

 

[Nonynho]

Oh but i did find this, Huntsman made it

Lawliet Stock Feat Debunk

Lawliet’s Stock Market Feat: L earned an impressive 20,000x return on his stock investments in just two years, an outcome that under normal circumstances would be considered impossible. He gained these returns on an initial investment of 1 million pounds and these returns would shatter any known ...

docs.google.com

Read it and wait for him if you still have questions ig

this REALLY must go under CRT-scrutiny to be used in vs matches but i'll make sure to read it

 

[XxZetsuxX]

this REALLY must go under CRT-scrutiny to be used in vs matches but i'll make sure to read it

It really doesn't, the feat is legit breaking principles in how stock markets work (according to Huntsman)

It completely invalidates the feat

 

[Vapidhoe]

Or luck or the world works differently from ours (at least in the stock market part)

The mathematical chances of achieving a 20,000x stock market return in 2 years through pure luck are 1 in 62 million, and this ASSUMES aggressive, everyday trading with perfect execution on highly volatile assets. If a person tries to achieve this by simply buying and holding a single stock for two years, the irl odds drop to virtually zero as no standard stock in financial history has ever posted those returns in that timeframe, so no a single stock returns of 20,000x is not possible so we can rule out single stock "luck"

look at the math of compounding over roughly 500 trading days assuming the number of stock market days in two years, to achieve a 20,000x return over 500 days, an investor must average a 2% profit every single day without fail. suppose someone day-trades highly volatile penny stocks. Every day, the stock either goes up 10% or down 10% (a 50/50 coin flip). To hit the 20,000x mark, they would need to correctly guess right at least 312 times out of 500. statistically, the odds of flipping a coin 500 times and getting 312 or more heads is 0.0000016%

A smart guy like L trading stocks and relying on Luck seems extremely unlikely for me, the math ain't mathing, it would make L a complete dumbfuck if he relied entirely on luck.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

If you agree he got it with luck

Then you completely invalidate the feat all the same as LA

 

[Vapidhoe]

but yeah, if there's a "debunk" make a crt of it, i find this feat hard to believe too, this shouldn't make L EG, but borderline Supergenius

 

[Nonynho]

why are we treating like L only has this feat, also?

it is also stated he's got more brainpower than Light so basically he can do all that his profile and Light's can do too lol

This doc* is also not taking into consideration some important stuff

Market Economics make such returns such returns impossible

Because..?

so L achieving them means two things need to be true

Then proceed to use two possibilities and not explain why it is the case

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Oh wait, nvm, mb, i thought you said it was luck

Anywho the problem of this feat is Liquidity, Price slippage, regulatory safe guards and more according to Huntsman

but yeah, if there's a "debunk" make a crt of it, i find this feat hard to believe too, this shouldn't make L EG, but borderline Supergenius

Again, this doesn't require a CRT, it completely breaks logic

 

[XxZetsuxX]

why are we treating like L only has this feat, also?

it is also stated he's got more brainpower than Light so basically he can do all that his profile and Light's can do too lol

This doc* is also not taking into consideration some important stuff

Like?

 

[Vapidhoe]

Oh wait, nvm, mb, i thought you said it was luck

Anywho the problem of this feat is Liquidity, Price slippage, regulatory safe guards and more according to Huntsman

Again, this doesn't require a CRT, it completely breaks logic

The mathematical chances of achieving a 20,000x stock market return in 2 years through pure luck are 1 in 62 million, and this ASSUMES aggressive, everyday trading with perfect execution on highly volatile assets. If a person tries to achieve this by simply buying and holding a single stock for two years, the irl odds drop to virtually zero as no standard stock in financial history has ever posted those returns in that timeframe, so no a single stock returns of 20,000x is not possible so we can rule out single stock "luck"

look at the math of compounding over roughly 500 trading days assuming the number of stock market days in two years, to achieve a 20,000x return over 500 days, an investor must average a 2% profit every single day without fail. suppose someone day-trades highly volatile penny stocks. Every day, the stock either goes up 10% or down 10% (a 50/50 coin flip). To hit the 20,000x mark, they would need to correctly guess right at least 312 times out of 500. statistically, the odds of flipping a coin 500 times and getting 312 or more heads is 0.0000016%

A smart guy like L trading stocks and relying on Luck seems extremely unlikely for me, the math ain't mathing, it would make L a complete dumbfuck if he relied entirely on luck.

the logic is here, luck is out of equation, If L really did analyse the market, and got all of them bullish via his analysis results, this really should make him Supergenius

 

[XxZetsuxX]

the logic is here, luck is out of equation, If L really did analyse the market, and got all of them bullish via his analysis results, this really should make him Supergenius

Wait for Huntsman then ig, idk what else to say

Anywho

Why are we so focused on LA? Chess relies on more important stuff like, decision making, foresight, emotional intelligence, experience, tactics and such (which Koji wins)

 

[Nonynho]

Like?

First of all that he is the human being with the most brain power in the entire world who impeded WW3 when at a similar age of that feat and singlehandedly keeps the crime rate of the planet Earth down

Second is that with his also-supernatural-ability to parallel-process several monitors and intelligence capable of surpassing five police bureaus and seven intelligence agencies besides being able to use pseudonyms and proxies on a ridiculous scale, he should be able to do more trades than it is possible for a regular person at least.

 

[Nonynho]

Why are we so focused on LA?

Because that's showcasing his learning capabilities

He also outclasses usual EGs in the other necessary regards, so we should start talking about Ayanokoji's feats, no?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

First of all that he is the human being with the most brain power in the entire world who impeded WW3 when at a similar age of that feat and singlehandedly keeps the crime rate of the planet Earth down

Doesn't scale anywhere in LA nor anything for that matter without explanation on how he did it

Second is that with his also-supernatural-ability to parallel-process several monitors and intelligence capable of surpassing five police bureaus and seven intelligence agencies besides being able to use pseudonyms and proxies on a ridiculous scale, he should be able to do more trades than it is possible for a regular person at least.

By this logic, Ayanokouji should be better due to him being able to process stuff that would fry people's brain along with outperforming a chess engine

 

[Vapidhoe]

Wait for Huntsman then ig, idk what else to say

Anywho

Why are we so focused on LA? Chess relies on more important stuff like, decision making, foresight, emotional intelligence, experience, tactics and such (which Koji wins)

well, i made my case already, I most likely won't respond, I am focusing on college thesis at the moment

but anywho, that stock market alone literally should be able to stomp Ayanokoji, especially in chess through his fundamental understanding speed and analysis (also pattern recognition via trends) inferences

I call this a stomp

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Supernatural parallel process is just plain wrong, mabye superhuman but definitely nowhere near supernatural man cmon

 

[XxZetsuxX]

well, i made my case already, I most likely won't respond, I am focusing on college thesis at the moment

but anywho, that stock market alone literally should be able to stomp Ayanokoji, especially in chess through his fundamental understanding speed and analysis (also pattern recognition via trends) inferences

Knowledge can only help you so far

What's the point of knowing everything about chess but not knowing how to counter an opponent who can see through your every move and counter them?

 

[Nonynho]

By this logic, Ayanokouji should be better due to him being able to process stuff that would fry people's brain

borderline-Supergenius, like the Death Note verse is, makes this not as impressive in comparison

along with outperforming a chess engine

a Grandmaster can do that too, like winning against a high-level Stockfish or similar engine, this is not an impressive feat today, specially given the one week his opponent has of prep

Doesn't scale anywhere in LA nor anything for that matter without explanation on how he did it

So the person with the highest amount of brainpower in planet earth, borderline-supergenius, who showcased a stupidly big learning feat... Has a week of prep too?
And to you it doesn't matter? lol

 

[Nonynho]

Supernatural parallel process is just plain wrong, mabye superhuman but definitely nowhere near supernatural man cmon

Superhuman is a synonym for Supernatural mate, wym lmfao

 

[XxZetsuxX]

borderline-Supergenius, like the Death Note verse is, makes this not as impressive in comparison

I mean both can think of stuff that would fry the brain, so i say they are fairly equal

a Grandmaster can do that too, like winning against a high-level Stockfish or similar engine, this is not an impressive feat today, specially given the one week his opponent has of prep

Tbf, said chess engine could go up to trillion or quintillion in calc power (this is a calc someone made in a doc), so far it didn't get debunked so..

So the person with the highest amount of brainpower in planet earth, borderline-supergenius, who showcased a stupidly big learning feat... Has a week of prep too?
And to you it doesn't matter? lol

No because like.. if both have 100% knowledge in chess, where does LA help you here exactly? both know the exact same thing

 

[Nonynho]

Tbf, said chess engine could go up to trillion or quintillion in calc power

Show the scan, this terminology is not quite align-able with chess

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ayanokouji Chess Feat Analysis

Y1V11 Chess Feats AnalysisBy TheHuntsman1001 Special Thanks to: Gabybel76 and DAX PMFT.————————————————————————————————————— In Y1V11, during the Event Selection Exam, Ayanokouji performs a series of active calculations using his Cognitive Ability. These are now known generally as the “ch...

docs.google.com

 

[Nonynho]

No because like.. if both have 100% knowledge in chess, where does LA help you here exactly? both know the exact same thing

chess knowledge revolves also around predicting answers to your plays in early game, mid-game and on the end-game
So if his learning capabilities surpass Ayanokoji's, means he definetely wins

 

[XxZetsuxX]

chess knowledge revolves also around predicting answers to your plays in early game, mid-game and on the end-game
So if his learning capabilities surpass Ayanokoji's, means he definetely wins

No, LA means learning not predicting

Foresight is about prediction and anticipating, let's not get 2 different things mixed for no reason now