-Ken Kaneki vs Muzan Kibutsuji- Match 4 [12-1-1] - GRACE

[NikHelton]

• Speed Not Equalized;
• Kaneki (Post-Dragon) - At least 609 Kilotons of TNT, far higher with Kakuja, up to 3,825 Gigatons of TNT with Accelerated Development; Class G (100 000 000 Tons) up to Class T (128 248 319 659 Tons);
• Muzan (Prime) - At least 2,93 Megatons of TNT; Сlass K (400 Tons);
• Distance - 25 meters;
• Place of battle: Goat's base.
  
  

Kaneki (12): @Foriaa, @LegendariumOfLies, @Nonynho, @DarthSorox, @Delusionaltx2, @Tony_di_bugalu, @NikHelton, @Robo432343 , @Saqphire, @GodEarh206, @Doggo
Muzan (1): @Arkenis
Incon (1): @Machmatej

 

[NikHelton]

Kaneki goes straight to the Infinity Castle to meet Muzan again:

 

[Machmatej]

 

[Machmatej]

Kaneki (0):
Spider-Man (0):
Incon (0):

is spider-man assisting him?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

is spider-man assisting him?

We should add sukuna too

 

[NikHelton]

is spider-man assisting him?

Muzan just wanted to be a hero....

 

[NikHelton]

You didn't get the Boys reference...

 

[Arkenis]

So how does Kaneki win if he gets sent to IF?

 

[Nonynho]

 

[NikHelton]

So how does Kaneki win if he gets sent to IF?

Now he has pseudo-flight to avoid falling into the portal

 

[Nonynho]

So how does Kaneki win if he gets sent to IF?

Infinity Fastle

Good question though

 

[Arkenis]

Now he has pseudo-flight to avoid falling into the portal

They get pulled in. But I asked if he does, how does he win.

 

[NikHelton]

They get pulled in. But I asked if he does, how does he win.

His LS is way higher, so he ain't getting pulled in. Kaneki now has High-Mid/Low-High regen negation, durability negation, and absorption. He just rips the Kizuki apart from the inside, devours them, powers up, and absorbs them with his kagune

 

[DarthSorox]

So, Kaneki just goes 'Itadakimasu!' and devours everyone around him?
Is there a chance he turns into the Dragon if he eats all 12 Kizuki? They have a ton of life energy

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Nik is Kaneki's Strongest Soldier

 

[Arkenis]

His LS is way higher, so he ain't getting pulled in. Kaneki now has High-Mid/Low-High regen negation, durability negation, and absorption. He just rips the Kizuki apart from the inside, devours them, powers up, and absorbs them with his kagune

Prove Kaneki's regen neg works on Demons. I don't see any indicator for why it's broad regen neg on page. Dura neg gets countered by Demons regen. Demons themselves have absorption, especially Muzan. All the Moons are also vastly superior in ap as well with their own upscaling so he's gonna be getting one shot endlessly while he's stuck at H7C and getting outskilled. Then there's the fact all the demons realistically have the ability to evolve without their heads, mainly Koku and Akaza but Doma should too.

 

[NikHelton]

Prove Kaneki's regen neg works on Demons. I don't see any indicator for why it's broad regen neg on page.

You need to prove it doesn't work, lol. Kaneki killed Rize, who was fully restored from her kakuhou's RC cells, scattered across hundreds of hosts. There's no reason why it wouldn't work on demons.

Dura neg gets countered by Demons regen.

Dura neg + regen neg = death

Demons themselves have absorption, especially Muzan.

Kaneki resisted the Dragon's absorption, so the demons won't absorb him. In turn, Kaneki can completely grasp the demon with his kagune, crush it to pulp with LS, and absorb it.

All the Moons are also vastly superior in ap as well with their own upscaling so he's gonna be getting one shot endlessly while he's stuck at H7C

His AD will allow him to reach their level

and getting outskilled.

Hah

 

[DarthSorox]

Should we really limit Kaneki's level?

 

[NikHelton]

Should we really limit Kaneki's level?

I guess I'll listen to everyone else's opinion

 

[Foriaa]

Un restrict his 7-A scaling

 

[Arkenis]

You need to prove it doesn't work, lol. Kaneki killed Rize, who was fully restored from her kakuhou's RC cells, scattered across hundreds of hosts. There's no reason why it wouldn't work on demons.

So it works for Ghouls are you saying? I'm confused where you're going with this. But send some proof the regen neg is broad otherwise I have no choice but to believe its specific to Ghouls.

Kaneki resisted the Dragon's absorption, so the demons won't absorb him. In turn, Kaneki can completely grasp the demon with his kagune, crush it to pulp with LS, and absorb it.

I just checked the examples posted and unsurprisingly, I don't see him resisting the absorption. Could I see that? Cause all I see is Kaneki just being attacked, no attempt to be absorbed. Can you explain why this is the same as Demons absorption?

His AD will allow him to reach their level

I'm unsure but pretty sure in matches AD that doesn't have the tier listed, means they can't jump to a new tier. Unless that's allowed, Kaneki stays at H7C while the moons have several one shot jumps against those who scale to them.

Hah

Yeah I can see how this is going if you can't accept KNY has better skill scaling.

 

[NikHelton]

So it works for Ghouls are you saying? I'm confused where you're going with this. But send some proof the regen neg is broad otherwise I have no choice but to believe its specific to Ghouls.

This has long been accepted as regeneration neg. You need proof that it doesn't work on anyone other than ghouls. It's as simple as that. Ghouls have regeneration > a kagune blocks regeneration.

I just checked the examples posted and unsurprisingly, I don't see him resisting the absorption. Could I see that? Cause all I see is Kaneki just being attacked, no attempt to be absorbed. Can you explain why this is the same as Demons absorption?

Kagune can abstract flesh, as we saw when Kaneki absorbed the Oggai. We also know that absorption works instantly. When the defense mechanisms chewed and swallowed Kaneki, he wasn't absorbed.

I'm unsure but pretty sure in matches AD that doesn't have the tier listed, means they can't jump to a new tier. Unless that's allowed, Kaneki stays at H7C while the moons have several one shot jumps against those who scale to them.

He's not locked to High 7-C. We just put him at High 7-A for the sake of it. We've literally seen him scale up to his opponent's level and above mid-fight. So Low 7-B definitely ain't the ceiling.
But alright — I'll drop the tier cap

Yeah I can see how this is going if you can't accept KNY has better skill scaling.

Announcing technique names and performing acrobatic maneuvers does not constitute superior skill. Kaneki has demonstrated greater combat proficiency, and we have revised his intelligence section accordingly for your reference. However, if you remain unconvinced of his abilities, that is certainly your right

 

[Foriaa]

Like a lamb to a slaughter Kaneki is going to turn these guys into mush with his shockwaves alone

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Like a lamb to a slaughter Kaneki is going to turn these guys into mush with his shockwaves alone

I thought we fixed that by having the Demons have variable durability rather than being paper mache on everything but their necks?

 

[NikHelton]

Like a lamb to a slaughter Kaneki is going to turn these guys into mush with his shockwaves alone

To do this, he needs to make an AD jump. But even without that, absorption and regen neg do the trick.

 

[Foriaa]

I thought we fixed that by having the Demons have variable durability rather than being paper mache on everything but their necks?

Their dura is listed at most 3 mt

 

[Arkenis]

Kagune can abstract flesh, as we saw when Kaneki absorbed the Oggai. We also know that absorption works instantly. When the defense mechanisms chewed and swallowed Kaneki, he wasn't absorbed.

He's not locked to High 7-C. We just put him at High 7-A for the sake of it. We've literally seen him scale up to his opponent's level and above mid-fight. So Low 7-B definitely ain't the ceiling.
But alright — I'll drop the tier cap

Announcing technique names and performing acrobatic maneuvers does not constitute superior skill. Kaneki has demonstrated greater combat proficiency, and we have revised his intelligence section accordingly for your reference. However, if you remain unconvinced of his abilities, that is certainly your right

That just sounds like it didn't absorb him. But again, wanna see proof they're the same, especially given demon blood is lethal, doesn't seem like Kaneki should absorb them.

Alright, Kaneki gains ap advantage after a while. Maybe he can kill them beyond regen? Don't see it given skill and regen though.

Won't debate about skill since that'll go nowhere with yall and it's been rehashed across dozens of matches. You can put me for Muzan, I don't see Kaneki surviving against Doma's ice, Muzan's bio hax, Kokushibou being untouchable, and potentially getting trapped in IF.

 

[Foriaa]

Looking at KnY guys profile, I don't see any regen neg that can deal with Kaneki's Low-High via RE, or his ability to absorb them to sustain and further enhance himself mid battle. Kaneki has shockwaves that scale above the entire KnY verse's dura, and he can use this to one shot multiple enemies at the same time if they're jumping him. Kaneki can amplify his perceptions to help react to attacks, and for attacks that get through that and damage him, Kaneki's AD process will begin allow him to grow stronger and faster in combat. What's also important is that Kaneki's LS is thousands of times higher as well, so any attempts to parry, rather than dodge, will result in some of the members getting their limbs tore at. Kaneki's danmaku will let him relentlessly spam attacks, which all have regen - neg to low-high, which is superior to anything shown within kny.

Voting Kaneki due to superior AP, LS, Skill and Regen.

 

[Foriaa]

don't see Kaneki surviving against Doma's ice

What's his Ice supposed to do? It says it can cause lungs to undergo necrosis, not sure how that matter since Kaneki's immortality will let him shrug that off. The fight ends with a Kagune in his skull and Kaneki absorbing him afterwards to shit on the other Kizuki.

Muzan's bio hax

Kaneki can resist cellular destruction via resisting RC supressants which causes the RC cells to disintegrate, and has heat resistance up to 30,000 C, so his cells won't get mutated/destroyed or melted in anyway from that.

Kokushibou being untouchable

What about Koku makes him untouchable?

 

[NikHelton]

That just sounds like it didn't absorb him.

Okay, look. Kaneki eats Oggai with his kagune-mouth > absorbs Giga-Kakuja Kaneki eats investigators and Furuta's core with his kagune > absorbs them See how it works? The dragon chews and eats Kaneki > Kaneki is not absorbed

But again, wanna see proof they're the same, especially given demon blood is lethal, doesn't seem like Kaneki should absorb them.

Kaneki is resistant to ROS, which affects DNA and the body on a cellular level, so toxic blood is not a problem for him.

Alright, Kaneki gains ap advantage after a while. Maybe he can kill them beyond regen? Don't see it given skill and regen though.

Skills, accelerated perception, multiple limbs, range, absorption, regeneration, and dura neg allow him to do this. Especially now that his High 7-A is unlimited.

Won't debate about skill since that'll go nowhere with yall and it's been rehashed across dozens of matches.

People may have different opinions. I respect your right to believe that KNY is better in terms of skills.

You can put me for Muzan, I don't see Kaneki surviving against Doma's ice, Muzan's bio hax, Kokushibou being untouchable, and potentially getting trapped in IF.

Okay

 

[NikHelton]

I don't see Kaneki surviving against Doma's ice, Muzan's bio hax, Kokushibou being untouchable, and potentially getting trapped in I

To be fair:

He can begin to adapt to Doma's cryokinesis with his RE and simply copy Tatara's flames.

Muzan's Biohax won't work due to Kaneki's resistance to deconstruction and cellular effects. This was already established in their second battle.

IF won't be able to pull Kaneki in due to his pseudo-flight and his LS. If the demons' LS were higher, it would work, but here it's useless until Kaneki decides to jump in himself.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Kokushibo and Akaza really are hard carrying this team, aren't they since they're the only ones that can actually compete with Kaneki in skill, not to mention they Regen Neg Resistance.

 

[NikHelton]

Kokushibo and Akaza really are hard carrying this team, aren't they since they're the only ones that can actually compete with Kaneki in skill, not to mention they Regen Neg Resistance.

They resist High-Mid, not Low-High. But yes, their skills will create difficulties.

 

[Nonynho]

Kokushibo and Akaza really are hard carrying this team, aren't they since they're the only ones that can actually compete with Kaneki in skill, not to mention they Regen Neg Resistance.

besides Muzan himself not being a pushover either
leaning heavily towards Muzan though it is definetely low-godly diff

 

[NikHelton]

besides Muzan himself not being a pushover either
leaning heavily towards Muzan though it is definetely low-godly diff

Check out Kaneki's Combat Intelligence in his profile to get an idea of what Muzan will be up against

 

[Foriaa]

besides Muzan himself not being a pushover either
leaning heavily towards Muzan though it is definetely low-godly diff

Remember, harming Kaneki is one of the most counter productive things you can do to him since it spikes tf outta his AD

 

[Nonynho]

Check out Kaneki's Combat Intelligence in his profile to get an idea of what Muzan will be up against

i've read TG and half of Re (i legit forgor the end of the story lmfao) so i have quite an idea

And i still think so because those KnY fellas are centuries-old "no joke either"'s

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

i've read TG and half of Re (i legit forgor the end of the story lmfao) so i have quite an idea

And i still think so because those KnY fellas are centuries-old "no joke either"'s

Age doesn't mean jack shit for skill or talent.

 

[NikHelton]

i've read TG and half of Re (i legit forgor the end of the story lmfao) so i have quite an idea

And i still think so because those KnY fellas are centuries-old "no joke either"'s

Kaneki's profile has compiled a list of his main skills for you to refresh your memory. Please check it out, because people seem to forget to look at it, and I've wasted a lot of time on this shit.

 

[Nonynho]

Age doesn't mean jack shit for skill or talent.

with that gap in age, it means something, yeah

Kaneki's profile has compiled a list of his main skills for you to refresh your memory. Please check it out, because people seem to forget to look at it, and I've wasted a lot of time on this shit.

i'll make sure to open that on my phone when i'm on my bus home to honor your work