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transcending the plane of fate and transcending the 3 planes is essentially the same thing, since once u have transcended the plane of fate, u have essentially transcended the 3 planes, duh. Seeing them equally as unreal is just the same as viewing everything below u as fictional, hence only needing to gain an extra layer for this to happen. U see that putting true immortals at 1 layer into 1A leads to no contradictions at all... And the true immortal plane is still considered a part of the hierarchy of planes as it is referred to as the plane of true immortality which transcends the 3 planes, and it is the place where the planes overlap.So uh, this isn’t exactly what he said, essentially, if the quality that is 1-A, is no different from the quality that isn’t 1-A from the perspective of High 1-A, even if you add higher levels of 1-A, it wouldn’t be possible to bridge the gap between 1-A and High 1-A, in the same way no amount of higher dimensions can bridge the gap between non 1-A and 1-A.
This is essentially just “v
They abandon the Qualities that represent 1-A and not 1-A,
viewing all of the qualities as equally fictional as a single painting. This is also why the True Immortal realm is usually never said to just be the plane above the plane of fate, instead always saying it is above the 3 planes, since they are equally unreal. If the difference between real (Fate) and Unreal (lower planes) is essentially not there, then any amount of higher planes added wouldn’t bridge any gap, no amount of unreal things can stack up to become real, 0+0+0+0… is still 0.
The main body within the true immortal realm remains unmoving in reality while they are moving through the planes, there is no difference between moving in unreal and real planes as they are equally all the same, like if a videogame has real and unreal areas, both are equally unreal to the person playing the video game, no amount of higher planes within a videogame bridges the gap between the video game and the person playing the game.
Sorry I didn't read this when responding to the guy's previous comment.I think everything that needed to be said has been said. I don't think there is much debating to be had here so let's just wait for stuff opinion
By the suggestion of orioreeem, I’ll just be waiting for the staff to come here.transcending the plane of fate and transcending the 3 planes is essentially the same thing, since once u have transcended the plane of fate, u have essentially transcended the 3 planes, duh. Seeing them equally as unreal is just the same as viewing everything below u as fictional, hence only needing to gain an extra layer for this to happen. U see that putting true immortals at 1 layer into 1A leads to no contradictions at all... And the true immortal plane is still considered a part of the hierarchy of planes as it is referred to as the plane of true immortality which transcends the 3 planes, and it is the place where the planes overlap.
To be fair, I did make it a bit shorter, it’s only like 6k words, not even as long as an average rtoc chapter. Just read my tier 0 scale when I make it, it’ll prob be shorter.
Sure!though i can't give much insight, i'm loving to read those cosmology CRTs so if you remember, send it to me whenever you post!
To re-iterate since I believe my original message was worded a lil badly: all things within a 1-A hierarchy share a common factor to them, making them in a sense part of the same genera. High 1-A is essentially R>Fing this genera, or of that "common property" per se. A good way to do this is by undifferentiation, since it means instead of just transcending particular differentia (the properties that distinguish a 1-A layer from another 1-A layer), you transcend the quality that determines 1-Aness itself.This is essentially just “If there is no difference between a fictional layer and a non fictional layer, then adding additional layers won’t change that at all, in the same way adding extra dimensions doesn’t get you a single step closer to 1-A” which fits with what has been shown for true immortals,
Depends on luck, maybe a day or twoHow long does it usually take for a staff member to reply?
yearsHow long does it usually take for a staff member to reply?
Depends on luck, maybe a day or two
so just at a random point in time?years
first chaos might be H1-AYeah, High 1-A rtoc on next Christmas![]()
what's thatfirst chaos might be H1-A
highest tier in rtocwhat's that
Nah gonna argue tier 0 for it.highest tier in rtoc
lets seeNah gonna argue tier 0 for it.
Like the True Immortal Realm where the three planes coexist, it is a mysterious purity where the three absolutes are all felt.
‘Putting aside breaking it, I can’t even fathom how one would pierce through it… And yet, there exists a being who actually did?’
But now is not the time to ponder over the phenomenon.
— Chapter 718
Small add-on, all of the lower planes are described to be in a state of “coexistence” within the True Immortal Realm (as a singular painting as shown by a previous scan), giving further evidence to the True Immortal Realm having R>F over the lower planes through un-differentiation
The True Immortal Realm is just the place where planes overlap. The R>f is just over planes in a way that is a layer above them where the true immortal realm is 3 dimensional relative to the painting(planes)Small add-on, all of the lower planes are described to be in a state of “coexistence” within the True Immortal Realm (as a singular painting as shown by previous), giving further evidence to the True Immortal Realm having R>F over the lower planes through un-differentiation
As I said, the True Immortal Realm is made up of the higher qi soul fate planes. The True immortal realm views the lower qi soul fate planes as fictionThe True Immortal Realm is just the place where planes overlap. The R>f is just over planes in a way that is a layer above them where the true immortal realm is 3 dimensional relative to the painting(planes)
yes i know, that wasn't my main point, i agree it sees the lower planes as fiction, which gives it an extra layer above the 3 planes tier.As I said, the True Immortal Realm is made up of the higher qi soul fate planes. The True immortal realm views the lower qi soul fate planes as fiction
Tbh it seems like just +1 layer in 1-aAs I said, the True Immortal Realm is made up of the higher qi soul fate planes. The True immortal realm views the lower qi soul fate planes as fiction
It would normally be +1 layer if it acted like the plane of fate/soul, just viewing each lower layer as more “material”/fictional, but its r>f is through un-differentiation, where the difference between 1-A and non 1-A are 0 and equally “F” in r>f, which is an acceptable way to get high 1-A in this wiki, here being a recent example of such.Tbh it seems like just +1 layer in 1-a
It would normally be +1 layer if it acted like the plane of fate/soul, just viewing each lower layer as more “material”/fictional, but its r>f is through un-differentiation, where the difference between 1-A and non 1-A are 0 and equally “F” in r>f, which is an acceptable way to get high 1-A in this wiki, here being a recent example of such.
As I said, the True Immortal Realm is made up of the higher qi soul fate planes. The True immortal realm views the lower qi soul fate planes as fiction
Viewing them as the same level is h1A. You can look at the link given as an example. Also, ignoring that, the planes are literally referred to as a hierarchy here, and the TI realm transcends this.True immortals realms are just in a higher qi soul and fate planes, they view lower realms in same planes as fiction, there is nothing to do with r>f whole 1-a hierarchy structure, it’s just a +1 layer in 1-a
Not really, transcending the planes is h1a, TI realm is still operating in the planes, it just views lower realm from the planes as R>FViewing them as the same level is h1A. You can look at the link given as an example. Also, ignoring that, the planes are literally referred to as a hierarchy here, and the TI realm transcends this.
YeahYou might better wait for mods respond
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