Mobile Legends Bang Bang Cosmology

[SuperNunnas]

Hello there, everyone. I am new at using this forum, so please inform me if I made any mistakes.

Here is the blog:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SuperNunnas/Mobile_Legends_Bang_Bang_Cosmology

I didn't use anything about the ML: Adventure because I am planning to make a different thread about it.

If this gets accepted;

1. Obsidia will be rated as 5-D due to capable of defeating the Lord of Darkness
2. Selena will be rated as 5-D due to being avatar of the Lord of Darkness and she gets power upped by Lord of Darkness to defeat Obsidia
3. Thamuz can damage Obsidia and made her bleed, but he is vastly inferiour to her. I don't know if this make him 5-D, but if does, Dyrotth and Alice and everyone who scales to them will be 5-D too.

Accept: @Morgantheking_65084 @LEGENDS_LORD_VADER
Disagree: @Furina003
Neutral: @LoudestProcedure

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Put me in neutral Because this has yet to be accepted also when did we have an ML page?

 

[Re5yh]

Hello Nunnas, welcome to the community. I will read the blog all the way through.

 

[Re5yh]

Put me in neutral Because this has yet to be accepted also when did we have an ML page?

we do actually

Mobile Legends (Verse)

For detailed information about this series, visit the Mobile Legends Wiki and Mobile Legends: Adventure Wiki. Mobile Legends is a game franchise created by Moonton, so far there are 2 games, 1 animation series and some oneshoot comic in this franchise, namely Mobile Legends Bang-bang which was...

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[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

I more incline to 2-A since Low 1-C is iffy cuz
entering a realm with "no coordinates" is just treated as Spatial Hax

 

[Furina003]

Honestly I only see a 2A structure here, Being able to accommodate infinite universes doesn't mean that space will be an L1c structure, because this space will only be considered an insignificant 5d space. unless there is a scan that supports that the 5th axis is also infinite

Q: Are wiki-induced dimensions included in cosmology statements?​

A: For indexing purposes, the cosmological structures in a work are assumed to be the bare minimum size required to adhere to both the source material and the tiering system. For example, a multiverse containing several or even infinite universes, is assumed to be a fourth-dimensional structure with an insignificant fifth-dimensional axis, as this is the minimum requirement to bridge the fiction's cosmology with our technical framework. General statements from the work regarding an 'infinite multiverse' or 'infinite space or volume' do not apply to these wiki-induced insignificant dimensions. Since authors are typically unaware of the technicalities used by the wiki to organize Tier 2 or higher structures, their statements should not be assumed to expand upon mechanics that were never established in-verse.

Having said that, if the author notes these higher-dimensional axis within a size statement or alternatively indicates that they're comparable in scope to other known infinite structures, then they can also be assumed to be infinite as well. As this is expanding on the work's known dimensional structures rather than a wiki-induced dimensional structure.

 

[SuperNunnas]

@Furina003 I was not arguing that "it can contain infinite low 2-C's, so it is tier low 1-C". The main argument for the Multiverse being 5-D is that it is treated as a entirelly different reality that is transcendent to beings of universe as when Nolan went to the Multiverse, he became an transcendent astral being; the Multiverse is also independent from the existences of universes and if the Multiverse is beyond boundaries universe.

So basically:
1. It is independent
2. It is transcendent
3. And treated as a infinite void that lacks time and space while containing all spatial and temporal coordinates.

I also must note that that Calamity, which was threat to all universes, was still ultimatelly bound to exist in the multiverse. So, even if Calamity destroy all universes, which is 2-A in totality, it cannot still destroy the multiverse.


And also, containing universes in this case is different. Because even if you enter the Multiverse, it was not granting you to enter other universes like you can walk off your house to another one. The Infinite Gateway or knowing right dimensional coordinates was necessary, otherwise, it is literally said that you would cease to exist. So like, it is not a typical multiverse that is a bubble of universes, but a higher realm that connects lower realms together ones

 

[Furina003]

@Furina003 I was not arguing that "it can contain infinite low 2-C's, so it is tier low 1-C". The main argument for the Multiverse being 5-D is that it is treated as a entirelly different reality that is transcendent to beings of universe as when Nolan went to the Multiverse, he became an transcendent astral being; the Multiverse is also independent from the existences of universes and if the Multiverse is beyond boundaries universe.

When Nolan went beyond his universe with the Infinite Gateaway, he became an transcedent astral entity beyond his universe

This proof does not even concern the issue of dimensionality at all, this is just astral projection, where their souls come out and become astral beings that are beyond their understanding, beyond their understanding here is only subjective, where they do not understand what is actually happening, not in any sense that supports the improvement of the dimensional structure

So basically:
1. It is independent
2. It is transcendent

• Stating that something is Extra-Dimensional simply means it comes from outside of the regular 3-dimensional space. It does not necessarily mean that it has an extradimensional axis in contrast to 3-dimensional objects, without further context.
• Stating that something transcends space or space and time does not necessarily imply that it has an extradimensional axis or that it pertains to the geometry of the object.

this doesn't even meet any standards for L1C, it is only said to be transcendent or independent and as such would not be any evidence to support the existence of an extradimensional axis.

3. And treated as a infinite void that lacks time and space while containing all spatial and temporal coordinates.

yeah, the multiverse is just a void that has no structure of space and time, and this actually proves that the multiverse is not a 5d structure, how is the 5d dimensional structure, but has no space and time and only exists as a void. it is completely contradictory. this is even supported by the scans on the blog. which in this scan explains that, nolan could have gotten lost in the multiverse, because he doesn't have a coordinate axis.

• Time was meaningless in the Multiverse as it contains all temporal coordinates together and it is implied to be some kind of a void.

As I explained before, the multiverse is just a void space that holds an infinite number of universes, it is just a 2A structure.

I also must note that that Calamity, which was threat to all universes, was still ultimatelly bound to exist in the multiverse. So, even if Calamity destroy all universes, which is 2-A in totality, it cannot still destroy the multiverse.

This is just a matter of the destructive capacity of the calamity which is not capable of destroying the void.

And also, containing universes in this case is different. Because even if you enter the Multiverse, it was not granting you to enter other universes like you can walk off your house to another one. The Infinite Gateway or knowing right dimensional coordinates was necessary, otherwise, it is literally said that you would cease to exist. So like, it is not a typical multiverse that is a bubble of universes, but a higher realm that connects lower realms together ones

• The Infinite Gateway is a gateway to the multiverse by grants capability of surprassing boundaries of infinite sized universes.

This is just proof that the infinite gate is just a portal creation, spatial manipulation and teleportation.

 

[SuperNunnas]

This proof does not even concern the issue of dimensionality at all, this is just astral projection, where their souls come out and become astral beings that are beyond their understanding, beyond their understanding here is only subjective, where they do not understand what is actually happening, not in any sense that supports the improvement of the dimensional structure

The astral form in this is case is vastly different from astral projection. They became astral entities. I called it a form because you can achieve it by just entering the Multiverse. To support that this is not a astral projection: Nolan, after becaming an astral entity, learned how to split his soul to create astral forms. If he was in a astral form, how come he can split his soul into infinity yet still have a one main body? We already know that matter, when guided in correct dimensional coordinates, can go throught dimensional rifts without ceaseing to exist. I am saying this because if Nolan was doing astral projection, why he would worry about matter ceasing to exist? Why he would even need to seperate his soul if he is already omnipresent in the rift of multiverse? Man, they themselves said that they are like planets in the Multiverse, like stars in Multiverse beyond the cycle of death and life, capable of changing their fate that is already written, so I don't know why are you suggesting that this just a astral projection so bla bla.

Also, no that is not subjective. They became astral entities in order to gain better understanding of multiverse, it is not they don't know what is happening around, but they granted to be fathoming things in cosmic scale, knowing secrets of the cosmos. It is like they finally capable of understanding/seeing things that they have never see/understand when they were unbounded, existing beyond boundaries of their universe.

this doesn't even meet any standards for L1C, it is only said to be transcendent or independent and as such would not be any evidence to support the existence of an extradimensional axis.

If this multiverse is independent of infinite 3-D+1-D, and is existing transcendent to infinite 3-D+1-D, and viewed as mostly as an realm rather than just totality of universes, how is it not meeting the standarts for Low 1-C? It is quite clear that this view of multiverse has its own realm independent of universes, and has an axis that connects spatial and temporal coordinates of univeres together because the coordinates are said to be relative to each other.

yeah, the multiverse is just a void that has no structure of space and time, and this actually proves that the multiverse is not a 5d structure, how is the 5d dimensional structure, but has no space and time and only exists as a void. it is completely contradictory. this is even supported by the scans on the blog. which in this scan explains that, nolan could have gotten lost in the multiverse, because he doesn't have a coordinate axis.

How is it a contradictory? You didn't explain that clearly. Are you saying that how a 5-D dimensional structure can be 5-D if it does lack space and time? Well, let me fix some possible missinformations I have made:

I have said that it is a void in a way that it lacks space-time but I will stop calling it a void ATP, because the Multiverse contains its own stars and celestical bodies and is treated as rift between time and space that has its own universe independent from other universes while containing them all including their all timelines, including dimensional rifts that seperates universes to make them not interact with each other, while linking their coordinates . We have Neutral Space in DB as 5-D for exact same reason.

Furthermore, Nolan, when he was travelling in the Multiverse, he saw that time and space can overlap and then return back to normal. When Nolan encounter it, he returned back to his 3-D+1-D universe back for a short period of time. This would make Multiverse itself a 4-D+1-D because of capable of containing overlapped time-spaces as "strange spaces", or having its own mysterious time axis.

 

[SuperNunnas]

@Humanitus_Primevilus888 I think that I didn't explain the context clearly. It was not about the Multiverse having no coordinates, but that having no coordinates is what makes matter cease to exist if it tries to go enter an dimensional rift.

I think I explained the context much better in my this post.

 

[KaramcaS]

I Only See 2-A for the Multiverse

he became an transcedent astral entity beyond his universe

No need for exaggerate, remove the "transcendent" okay?

It is even noted that doing it must make being of that dimensional plane cease to exist beacause there are no coordinates

It seems like its not that there are no coordinates there, but rather that they cant focus on the correct coordinate/focal point. In other words, its saying that if they go to the wrong coordinates without the correct ones, they will be atomized/lost

as it is implied that the 3-D existence of humans are more lower dimensional than a mere 2-D comprable to the multiverse, supporting that the Multiverse is 5-D

When/Where?

The Multiverse is beyond the Calamity, whose was even beyond transcedent astral form of Nolan and his wife

First, its not transcandent. Second, it says it is a greater force than that astral form. Please stop changing contexts.

can threaten and destroy all of them if it wants to do

Not "them", it says "Universe" not "Universes" or "all of the universes"

It can also spiritually encompass (or cover) all universes

If it is Spiritiual, then not mathematical (maybe)

There is no reason for it to be Low 1-C.

The divine act (in other offical languages, it is said that God created both rather than creating one of them)

An admin would be needed for this, because as far as I know, we dont accept other languages except the Originial one

God is incomprehensible and transcedent

Panel is missing

Unique God​

• Unique God should be at least 1-C (6-D due viewed to be transcedent to his creation)

What?? And Where??

 

[KaramcaS]

• Contains Infinite possibilities.
• Contains Infinite dimensions.

Both are referst o same thing, you dont need to seperate them

Encompasses all planes

How do you kno it encompasses all planes? it just says "Sea of Planes"

All existence was infinitesmall agaisnt the Laws

Where did it said that?

All existence was just finite and sea foem to the Manifestation

Whereee??

The Nexus Sea and the Laws​

I only saw Higher into 2-A and Higher into 4-D

The Manifestation of the Laws is 1-C (6-D) and the Laws themselves are 1-A

You didnt give any reason for 1-A

 

[KaramcaS]

The main argument for the Multiverse being 5-D is that it is treated as a entirelly different reality that is transcendent to beings of universe as when Nolan went to the Multiverse, he became an transcendent astral being; the Multiverse is also independent from the existences of universes and if the Multiverse is beyond boundaries universe.

If we even consider all of these are true, its still not enough for Low 1-C

 

[SuperNunnas]

No need for exaggerate, remove the "transcendent" okay?

I am not? Did you even read the scans and tried to understand the context? If you didn't understand why that form is a transcendent form, you can read this.

It seems like its not that there are no coordinates there, but rather that they cant focus on the correct coordinate/focal point. In other words, its saying that if they go to the wrong coordinates without the correct ones, they will be atomized/lost

Please read the comments in this post before directly attacking to arguments, because answers to your questions or explanations to your arguments may exist.

When/Where?

I don't think you are giving enough time for yourself to read the scans and see the releationship between the scans and the arguments. Give yourself a time it, pal. Because what you are asking is... Well, I will not bother it much. Here.

First, its not transcandent. Second, it says it is a greater force than that astral form. Please stop changing contexts.

It is a far greater force that they couldn't never imagine, yeah? I am not changing contexts, buddy. Being a far beyond force and being unable to imagine by lesser ones makes you beyond them. Like, man, what is difference between x being greater than y and x being beyond y? Both are still "X>Y" in the day.

Not "them", it says "Universe" not "Universes" or "all of the universes"

Excuse me?

If it is Spiritiual, then not mathematical (maybe)

What are you on?

There is no reason for it to be Low 1-C.

You are not explaining anything. Why do you think this?

Panel is missing

Other scans already cover the words you are seeking, however, I said God is transcendent and incomprehensible because he is said to be "faceless and unique", so I just made an conclusion about the words based on context of the narrative. Like man, I already mention its source, it is not that hard to search it up.

Both are referst o same thing, you dont need to seperate them

Both aren't same, pal. Aren't same.

How do you kno it encompasses all planes? it just says "Sea of Planes"

If it connects all planes, and said to be sea of planes where planes exist within it, then this means that it contains all planes... Is not it obvious?

Where did it said that?

Whereee??

You are not checking the scans ATP, I am pretty sure about it. Because you can literally see it in the imbur link. Here: I am showing it.

I only saw Higher into 2-A and Higher into 4-D

Both are same thing but, well... Good for you.

You didnt give any reason for 1-A

Transcends dimensionality, space, time, definition, comprehension, all measurement, understanding of universe of limited beings and everything for it is infinite, immutable and absolute; all existence was just infinitesmall to it. It is clear that it the Laws transcends all limited things to a point that even names that made by limited beings are just whispers in void, representing nothing.

If we even consider all of these are true, its still not enough for Low 1-C

These are not enough for Low 1-C

Why?

 

[KaramcaS]

The astral form in this is case is vastly different from astral projection. They became astral entities. I called it a form because you can achieve it by just entering the Multiverse. To support that this is not a astral projection: Nolan, after becaming an astral entity, learned how to split his soul to create astral forms. If he was in a astral form, how come he can split his soul into infinity yet still have a one main body? We already know that matter, when guided in correct dimensional coordinates, can go throught dimensional rifts without ceaseing to exist. I am saying this because if Nolan was doing astral projection, why he would worry about matter ceasing to exist? Why he would even need to seperate his soul if he is already omnipresent in the rift of multiverse? Man, they themselves said that they are like planets in the Multiverse, like stars in Multiverse beyond the cycle of death and life, capable of changing their fate that is already written, so I don't know why are you suggesting that this just a astral projection so bla bla.

Also, no that is not subjective. They became astral entities in order to gain better understanding of multiverse, it is not they don't know what is happening around, but they granted to be fathoming things in cosmic scale, knowing secrets of the cosmos. It is like they finally capable of understanding/seeing things that they have never see/understand when they were unbounded, existing beyond boundaries of their universe.

I dont see any "transcending"?

I am not? Did you even read the scans and tried to understand the context? If you didn't understand why that form is a transcendent form

So you said something that wasn't on the panel as if it were? Personal opinions are not evidence

Please read the comments in this post before directly attacking to arguments, because answers to your questions or explanations to your arguments may exist.

I read it, Im still not seeing anything about "coordinats doesnt exists"

I don't think you are giving enough time for yourself to read the scans and see the releationship between the scans and the arguments. Give yourself a time it, pal. Because what you are asking is... Well, I will not bother it much. Here.

Its not my problem that you didnt include the panel in that specific text. Where in the panel you posted is it mentioned or implied that "as it is implied that the 3-D existence of humans are more lower dimensional than a mere 2-D comprable to the multiverse"???

It is a far greater force that they couldn't never imagine, yeah? I am not changing contexts, buddy. Being a far beyond force and being unable to imagine by lesser ones makes you beyond them. Like, man, what is difference between x being greater than y and x being beyond y? Both are still "X>Y" in the day.

No. Being "Far Greater Force than X" is not the same thing as being "Beyond X". "Far greater force than X" means a force that is still comparable to X but significantly stronger. It stays within the same conceptual framework and only increases magnitude. "Beyond X" CAN means something that goes outside or surpasses the entire framework of X. It is not just stronger, but potentially operates on a different level or system, making it a qualitative difference rather than a simple increase in power.

Excuse me?

It wasnt the image that linked to that text. It was THIS. Thats not my problem that You linked the wrong Panel. And, this last panel you sent not talking about destroying all universes, its talking about sending all the Calamities in all universes into the void. Not sending Universes into Void.

What are you on?

Spiritiual Superiorty doesnt give +1D

You are not explaining anything. Why do you think this?

I'll tell in my last message

Other scans already cover the words you are seeking, however, I said God is transcendent and incomprehensible because he is said to be "faceless and unique", so I just made an conclusion about the words based on context of the narrative. Like man, I already mention its source, it is not that hard to search it up.

Being "faceless and uniqe" doesnt make you "TRANSCANDENT INCOMPREHENSIBLE". You cant make a random, personal opinion you have in your head real by presenting it as if it were fact

Both aren't same, pal. Aren't same.

Yes, they arent same BUT, the scan you used, used the both word for referencing the same thing. You can tell it by looking up 1 second.

If it connects all planes, and said to be sea of planes where planes exist within it, then this means that it contains all planes... Is not it obvious?

Where did it said it connects all planes? I was asking this. The Panel only says "Sea of Planes"

You are not checking the scans ATP, I am pretty sure about it. Because you can literally see it in the imbur link. Here: I am showing it.

Bro.

AND THAT PANEL LITERALLY CREATED 1 HOUR AGO YOU MADE THAT RIGHT NOW

Yeah 3D characters are infinitesimal to 4D characters, thats a normal thing.

Both are same thing but, well... Good for you.

Higher into 2-A beats Basic 2-A

Transcends dimensionality, space, time, definition, comprehension, all measurement, understanding of universe of limited beings and everything for it is infinite, immutable and absolute; all existence was just infinitesmall to it. It is clear that it the Laws transcends all limited things to a point that even names that made by limited beings are just whispers in void, representing nothing.

I looked up all the panels, I didnt see anything about "Transcending dimensionality, space, time". I saw only "Transcending Human Comprehension and Laws"

Why?

Ok we are here. I can't explain this perfectly well; you can ask the Admins or open a Q&A session if you like. None of the things I answered are sufficient for Low 1-C, just like being a 5D isn't sufficient for being a Low 1-C. Becoming Tier 1 isnt that simple, but if you want a more detailed explanation, as I said, ask the Admins

 

[SuperNunnas]

I dont see any "transcending"?

Saying your own uncapability is not an argument. You must have to attack the arguments. I can't make a simpler explanation about how does it mean "transcendent" because ATP, it is literally obvious and I am not intending to re-make my argument in a simpler and better format 'till you debunk them or explain how the stuffs I am showing is not "transcendent" in your mind. Because I am not making these arguments for just to be denied by "nuh uh".

So you said something that wasn't on the panel as if it were? Personal opinions are not evidence

I'm afraid you've managed to confuse "argument that follows the argument with that linked evidence" with "argument that is irrelevant with no evidence". If you didn't look at the evidences carefully then jump into other argument and thought: "There is no evidence! So it must be wrong! I must to question it!", all I can say is that: Take time to read, pal. And no, that is not my personal opinion. Why did you even think that? Are you saying this to any logical conclusion based on context of words? With all respect, please stop it.

I read it, Im still not seeing anything about "coordinats doesnt exists"

If you did read, you, with all necessary, must saw this. But you didn't read it, and I know it.

Its not my problem that you didnt include the panel in that specific text. Where in the panel you posted is it mentioned or implied that "as it is implied that the 3-D existence of humans are more lower dimensional than a mere 2-D comprable to the multiverse"???

Sorry pal, but if I made an argument following other one that is linked with an evidence, it is your responsibility to read it all of the evidence carefully and connect the points together if you are interested about it and want to talk about it. That evidence you are asking is already connected with the argument that is linked by the evidence by "(the evidence linked argument), as it is implied...". But however, I am here help you to make you understand, so here's the evidence you are asking for.

No. Being "Far Greater Force than X" is not the same thing as being "Beyond X". "Far greater force than X" means a force that is still comparable to X but significantly stronger. It stays within the same conceptual framework and only increases magnitude. "Beyond X" CAN means something that goes outside or surpasses the entire framework of X. It is not just stronger, but potentially operates on a different level or system, making it a qualitative difference rather than a simple increase in power.

What you are saying is acceptable if I used word "transcends", because all the things you have said here is related to word "transcends". Sure, you can still use "beyond" by entailing it, but what you did say is not necessary. So... Too bad, I didn't use word "transcends".

It wasnt the image that linked to that text. It was THIS. Thats not my problem that You linked the wrong Panel. And, this last panel you sent not talking about destroying all universes, its talking about sending all the Calamities in all universes into the void. Not sending Universes into Void.

I didn't linked the wrong evidence, the evidence I have showed already in same argument. If you didn't check all the evidences to ensure that you didn't miss anything, then what do you want me to say? Don't give me all the blame if you are just here to oppose me.

If the Calamity threatens all universes and if Nolan was wanting to stop the Calamity in all universes and wants to destroy the Calamity, logically speaking, this would entail that the Calamity is threat for all universes, because if it was not, why would Nolan even split his soul to all universes to stop Calamity? Think, pal. Think.

Spiritiual Superiorty doesnt give +1D

Who said anything about sprititual superiorty? Nobody argued that, pal. Where did you get that?

Being "faceless and uniqe" doesnt make you "TRANSCANDENT INCOMPREHENSIBLE". You cant make a random, personal opinion you have in your head real by presenting it as if it were fact

"Faceless" and "Unique" are all metaphors to describe God. Unique mean here is God is different than what he created and is not like his creation that is dependent to him, so you can really have meaning of "Transcendent" here. "God is Faceless" is a common metaphor when speaking about nature of God. God doesn't have a real appearance so you can't see him nor sense him, so you can get the meaning of "Incomprehensible" here. You can get a better argument if you try combine this two arguments to argue what I am arguing. Also, you didn't justify anything here, pal, and you are not justifiying almost anything in your other comments too. All you are saying is "IT IS NOT!" with no substance. If you want to debunk my arguments, at least make proper arguments instead of meaningless claims.

Yes, they arent same BUT, the scan you used, used the both word for referencing the same thing. You can tell it by looking up 1 second.

The existence of infinite dimensions doesn't alone provide existence of infinite possibilities. Think it as having infinite planets, does this mean all planets have a different version of x within their framework? No. Because while dimensions are spaces, possibilities are about "what ifs" of these spaces. The scan I used states that there are both infinite dimensions and possibilities, right, but this doesn't necessarly imply that both are same.

Where did it said it connects all planes? I was asking this. The Panel only says "Sea of Planes"

The Nexus Sea is the primordial domain that binds all existence.

AND THAT PANEL LITERALLY CREATED 1 HOUR AGO YOU MADE THAT RIGHT NOW

I fear that you didn't take your glasses. Take a good look at the two scans I have showed to you, you still have time. I have SS'ed them both from my this imbur link to show it to you myself.

Yeah 3D characters are infinitesimal to 4D characters, thats a normal thing.

You didn't even read all of the blog, did you? Because in the blog, I made an conclusion based on some things to conclude that the Laws are beyond dimensions. So, well... You can cherry picking all you want, it wouldn't manipulate anyone here, pal.

I looked up all the panels, I didnt see anything about "Transcending dimensionality, space, time". I saw only "Transcending Human Comprehension and Laws"

I must inform you that the Laws are timeless as they never came into being, but always existing even before beginning because the Laws are what makes "beginning", and that they are immutable. Making them beyond time. And that the Laws are absurd beyond all measure and understanding of universe of limited beings; size of the manifestation was alone exceeding measurement of infinity. And since it governs all existence, it means it governs all space, we can easily say that it is beyond space too. It was necessary for Layla to make an attack that was piercing dimensions to defeat the Manifestation, and so I made an basic logic here, if the Laws are entirelly beyond the Manifestation, then the Laws are beyond dimensions and I supported it by saying it governs all dimensions in existence.

Also reminding to you, you can make conlusion based on logical reasonings that is following evidences; you don't necessarly need direct statements about "it is x, it is y".

Ok we are here. I can't explain this perfectly well; you can ask the Admins or open a Q&A session if you like. None of the things I answered are sufficient for Low 1-C, just like being a 5D isn't sufficient for being a Low 1-C. Becoming Tier 1 isnt that simple, but if you want a more detailed explanation, as I said, ask the Admins

You are the one who claim that it is not 5-D and doesn't meet requires. If you can't back up your claims, then don't make them in the first place. If you are going to continue talking like this, I suggest you to go leave this post because you are not actually doing anything at all, speaking with my all honesty.

 

[Morgantheking_65084]

Hello there, everyone. I am new at using this forum, so please inform me if I made any mistakes.

Here is the blog:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SuperNunnas/Mobile_Legends_Bang_Bang_Cosmology

I didn't use anything about the ML: Adventure because I am planning to make a different thread about it.

If this gets accepted;

1. Obsidia will be rated as 5-D due to capable of defeating the Lord of Darkness
2. Selena will be rated as 5-D due to being avatar of the Lord of Darkness and she gets power upped by Lord of Darkness to defeat Obsidia
3. 5-D, but if does, Dyrotth and Alice and everyone who scales to them will be 5-D too.

Accept:
Disagree:
Neutral: @LoudestProcedure

Saying your own uncapability is not an argument. You must have to attack the arguments. I can't make a simpler explanation about how does it mean "transcendent" because ATP, it is literally obvious and I am not intending to re-make my argument in a simpler and better format 'till you debunk them or explain how the stuffs I am showing is not "transcendent" in your mind. Because I am not making these arguments for just to be denied by "nuh uh".

I'm afraid you've managed to confuse "argument that follows the argument with that linked evidence" with "argument that is irrelevant with no evidence". If you didn't look at the evidences carefully then jump into other argument and thought: "There is no evidence! So it must be wrong! I must to question it!", all I can say is that: Take time to read, pal. And no, that is not my personal opinion. Why did you even think that? Are you saying this to any logical conclusion based on context of words? With all respect, please stop it.


If you did read, you, with all necessary, must saw this. But you didn't read it, and I know it.


Sorry pal, but if I made an argument following other one that is linked with an evidence, it is your responsibility to read it all of the evidence carefully and connect the points together if you are interested about it and want to talk about it. That evidence you are asking is already connected with the argument that is linked by the evidence by "(the evidence linked argument), as it is implied...". But however, I am here help you to make you understand, so here's the evidence you are asking for.


What you are saying is acceptable if I used word "transcends", because all the things you have said here is related to word "transcends". Sure, you can still use "beyond" by entailing it, but what you did say is not necessary. So... Too bad, I didn't use word "transcends".


I didn't linked the wrong evidence, the evidence I have showed already in same argument. If you didn't check all the evidences to ensure that you didn't miss anything, then what do you want me to say? Don't give me all the blame if you are just here to oppose me.

If the Calamity threatens all universes and if Nolan was wanting to stop the Calamity in all universes and wants to destroy the Calamity, logically speaking, this would entail that the Calamity is threat for all universes, because if it was not, why would Nolan even split his soul to all universes to stop Calamity? Think, pal. Think.


Who said anything about sprititual superiorty? Nobody argued that, pal. Where did you get that?



"Faceless" and "Unique" are all metaphors to describe God. Unique mean here is God is different than what he created and is not like his creation that is dependent to him, so you can really have meaning of "Transcendent" here. "God is Faceless" is a common metaphor when speaking about nature of God. God doesn't have a real appearance so you can't see him nor sense him, so you can get the meaning of "Incomprehensible" here. You can get a better argument if you try combine this two arguments to argue what I am arguing. Also, you didn't justify anything here, pal, and you are not justifiying almost anything in your other comments too. All you are saying is "IT IS NOT!" with no substance. If you want to debunk my arguments, at least make proper arguments instead of meaningless claims.


The existence of infinite dimensions doesn't alone provide existence of infinite possibilities. Think it as having infinite planets, does this mean all planets have a different version of x within their framework? No. Because while dimensions are spaces, possibilities are about "what ifs" of these spaces. The scan I used states that there are both infinite dimensions and possibilities, right, but this doesn't necessarly imply that both are same.




I fear that you didn't take your glasses. Take a good look at the two scans I have showed to you, you still have time. I have SS'ed them both from my this imbur link to show it to you myself.


You didn't even read all of the blog, did you? Because in the blog, I made an conclusion based on some things to conclude that the Laws are beyond dimensions. So, well... You can cherry picking all you want, it wouldn't manipulate anyone here, pal.


I must inform you that the Laws are timeless as they never came into being, but always existing even before beginning because the Laws are what makes "beginning", and that they are immutable. Making them beyond time. And that the Laws are absurd beyond all measure and understanding of universe of limited beings; size of the manifestation was alone exceeding measurement of infinity. And since it governs all existence, it means it governs all space, we can easily say that it is beyond space too. It was necessary for Layla to make an attack that was piercing dimensions to defeat the Manifestation, and so I made an basic logic here, if the Laws are entirelly beyond the Manifestation, then the Laws are beyond dimensions and I supported it by saying it governs all dimensions in existence.

Also reminding to you, you can make conlusion based on logical reasonings that is following evidences; you don't necessarly need direct statements about "it is x, it is y".


You are the one who claim that it is not 5-D and doesn't meet requires. If you can't back up your claims, then don't make them in the first place. If you are going to continue talking like this, I suggest you to go leave this post because you are not actually doing anything at all, speaking with my all honesty.

I agree

 

[LEGENDS_LORD_VADER]

Yapay Zeka

Herkese merhaba. Bu forumu kullanmaya yeni başladım, bu yüzden herhangi bir hata yaptıysam lütfen beni bilgilendirin.

İşte blogun adresi:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:SuperNunnas/Mobile_Legends_Bang_Bang_Cosmology

ML: Adventure ile ilgili hiçbir şey kullanmadım çünkü onunla ilgili ayrı bir konu açmayı planlıyorum.

Eğer bu kabul edilirse;

1. Obsidia, Karanlığın Efendisi'ni yenme yeteneği nedeniyle 5 boyutlu olarak derecelendirilecektir.
2. Selena , Karanlığın Efendisi'nin avatarı olması ve Obsidia'yı yenmek için Karanlığın Efendisi tarafından güçlendirilmesi nedeniyle 5 boyutlu olarak derecelendirilecektir.
3. Thamuz, Obsidia'ya zarar verebilir ve onu kanatabilir, ancak ona kıyasla çok daha zayıftır. Bunun onu 5 boyutlu yapıp yapmadığını bilmiyorum , ama eğer öyleyse, Dyrotth, Alice ve onlarla aynı seviyedeki herkes de 5 boyutlu olacaktır .

Kabul etmek:
Aynı fikirde olmamak:
Tarafsız: @LoudestProcedure

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[Furina003]

The astral form in this is case is vastly different from astral projection. They became astral entities. I called it a form because you can achieve it by just entering the Multiverse. To support that this is not a astral projection: Nolan, after becaming an astral entity, learned how to split his soul to create astral forms. If he was in a astral form, how come he can split his soul into infinity yet still have a one main body? We already know that matter, when guided in correct dimensional coordinates, can go throught dimensional rifts without ceaseing to exist. I am saying this because if Nolan was doing astral projection, why he would worry about matter ceasing to exist? Why he would even need to seperate his soul if he is already omnipresent in the rift of multiverse? Man, they themselves said that they are like planets in the Multiverse, like stars in Multiverse beyond the cycle of death and life, capable of changing their fate that is already written, so I don't know why are you suggesting that this just a astral projection so bla bla.

Bro, I don't even know why you're explaining all of this to support L1C. Even if what you're saying is true, it's still not enough, and it doesn't have anything to do with the addition of extra-dimensional axes.

Also, no that is not subjective. They became astral entities in order to gain better understanding of multiverse, it is not they don't know what is happening around, but they granted to be fathoming things in cosmic scale, knowing secrets of the cosmos. It is like they finally capable of

Yeah, that's simply their level of understanding. It doesn't imply anything when it comes to an upgrade to Low 1-C. They merely couldn't comprehend it before; that doesn't mean it's a higher-dimensional 5D structure. This really has nothing to do with it.

understanding/seeing things that they have never see/understand when they were unbounded, existing beyond boundaries of their universe.

I've said before, transcendent, independent or beyond the 4d dimension, won't make it 5d.

If this multiverse is independent of infinite 3-D+1-D, and is existing transcendent to infinite 3-D+1-D, and viewed as mostly as an realm rather than just totality of universes, how is it not meeting the standarts for Low 1-C?

NO

Stating that something transcends space or space and time does not necessarily imply that it has an extradimensional axis or that it pertains to the geometry of the object.

It is quite clear that this view of multiverse has its own realm independent of universes, and has an axis that connects spatial and temporal coordinates of univeres together because the coordinates are said to be relative to each other.

Realms/dimensions being separate don’t automatically make them higher-dimensional just because they are transcendent or independent. Even 2-A already includes universes that are mutually independent from each other, so yeah—this is basically normal in 2-A.

How is it a contradictory? You didn't explain that clearly. Are you saying that how a 5-D dimensional structure can be 5-D if it does lack space and time? Well, let me fix some possible missinformations I have made:

How can you say I didn’t explain it clearly when even your own says it’s a void that lacks space and time???
When we are talking about dimensional structures, we are referring to spatial and temporal axes. If it doesn’t even have space and time, then clearly that creates a contradiction and collapses the entire argument for a 5 dimensional.

So basically:
1. It is independent
2. It is transcendent
3. And treated as a infinite void that lacks time and space while containing all spatial and temporal coordinates.

I have said that it is a void in a way that it lacks space-time but I will stop calling it a void ATP, because the Multiverse contains its own stars and celestical bodies and is treated as rift between time and space that has its own universe independent from other universes while containing them all including their all timelines, including dimensional rifts that seperates universes to make them not interact with each other, while linking their coordinates .

If it does not have space and time, then it is not higher-dimensional. It is simply a void of dimensional structure. Having stars and celestial bodies is a normal feature of a universe, so what exactly makes it 5D?

Furthermore, Nolan, when he was travelling in the Multiverse, he saw that time and space can overlap and then return back to normal. When Nolan encounter it, he returned back to his 3-D+1-D universe back for a short period of time.

Yeah, so what? If spacetime overlaps, what makes you think that makes it Low 1-C?
Even in a 2-A structure, spacetime overlap can still occur, since 2-A already contains infinitely many L2-C universes.
Moreover, in Nolan’s context, it’s simply just a form of spacetime chaos.

This would make Multiverse itself a 4-D+1-D because of capable of containing overlapped time-spaces as "strange spaces", or having its own mysterious time axis.

Bro, they only talking about mysteries of the universes, not time axis.

 

[SuperNunnas]

Bro, I don't even know why you're explaining all of this to support L1C. Even if what you're saying is true, it's still not enough, and it doesn't have anything to do with the addition of extra-dimensional axes.

You are not going to argue that it is a astral projection? Nice, that means that my argument at least worked. Also, don't ignore everything and strawman me here, I was not directly just arguing that all of that is 5-D. I was debunking the idea of it being a "astral projection", which was your substance to deny it being 5-D at your previous comment. If we accept all of that as being true, then you do accept that they do transcendent their limited existence into a higher one, granting them 4-D existence (HDE). Since their existence is not 3-D+1-D but just 4-D, and since they do exist in the Multiverse as objects of the Multiverse, this would make the Multiverse 5-D as it would make it 4-D space+ 1-D time.

Yeah, that's simply their level of understanding. It doesn't imply anything when it comes to an upgrade to Low 1-C. They merely couldn't comprehend it before; that doesn't mean it's a higher-dimensional 5D structure. This really has nothing to do with it.

If their level of understanding became 4-D, why wouldn't this grant anything? Also, I am not saying that the Multiverse is directly 5-D, but 4-D+1-D. I suggest you to take time and read my arguments carefully so you can understand the structure of it.

I've said before, transcendent, independent or beyond the 4d dimension, won't make it 5d.

NO

This is literally appeal to ignorance. You are not debunking why, these things, in this case is not 5-D? You are just showing: Stating that something transcends space or space and time does not necessarily imply that it has an extradimensional axis or that it pertains to the geometry of the object. But context of this is about that transcending time and space can be time-travel etc. in context. You are just cherry picking that part to ignore my whole argument. Tell me, how is completely transcending 4-D is not 5-D if the tiering system literally says:

Characters or objects who can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that are one uncountably infinite level above Low 2-C structures. In ordinary distribution, this corresponds to R^5 (5-dimensional real coordinate space).

Equivalently, this tier can be reached by affecting/creating/destroying/embodying an uncountably infinite number of universes (More specifically, as many universes as there are real numbers).

ATP, if you keep being ignorant and simply deny it because of that one cherry picked quote, I will ping a Admin for a clarification.

Realms/dimensions being separate don’t automatically make them higher-dimensional just because they are transcendent or independent. Even 2-A already includes universes that are mutually independent from each other, so yeah—this is basically normal in 2-A.

I didn't argue that dimensions are seperated so higher dimensional. That was to prove that the Multiverse's 5th axis is significant.

How can you say I didn’t explain it clearly when even your own says it’s a void that lacks space and time???
When we are talking about dimensional structures, we are referring to spatial and temporal axes. If it doesn’t even have space and time, then clearly that creates a contradiction and collapses the entire argument for a 5 dimensional.

I fear you misunderstand the tiering system very badly, pal. First of, I didn't say that Multiverse transcends all types of space-time or all concepts of it, but a void. A void in very definition is a empty space. Lacking space-time in this context is that having NEP, and we do scale voids and alike that is beyond their space-time of verses at tier 1-C etc. Unless you are saying that all voids in fiction cannot be dimensionally scales, create a post about it and reveal it to the staff team because in here, arguing it will not grant anything.

Second of all, please read my other comments in this post. I have already said this, that lacking space-time coordinates is may mispresented by me so I clarafied it.

If it does not have space and time, then it is not higher-dimensional. It is simply a void of dimensional structure. Having stars and celestial bodies is a normal feature of a universe, so what exactly makes it 5D?

Nice cherry picking, again, pal. I was arguing that the Neutral Space from Dragon Ball rated to as Low 1-C for exact same reason and I showed that the Multiverse in MLBB is like that structure. So I argued that if NS from DB is rated as 5-D, so the Multiverse is must be rated as 5-D too.

Also, you are still misunderstanding that having no space-time doesn't mean you can't be a higher existence. If time-space of a cosmology is 4-D, and you are existing a higher plane of existence that transcends all space and time of your verse, you can be tiered as 5-D.

Yeah, so what? If spacetime overlaps, what makes you think that makes it Low 1-C?
Even in a 2-A structure, spacetime overlap can still occur, since 2-A already contains infinitely many L2-C universes.
Moreover, in Nolan’s context, it’s simply just a form of spacetime chaos.

Buddy, spacetime overlapping does mean that 3-D + 1-D overlap into a one singular 4-D constract. In this context, Multiverse was capable of containing a strange space where time-space was overlapping, making that space having 4-D fabric, and if Multiverse can contain this 4-D space and does have its 1-D time dimension, then the Multiverse is 5-D. Also, this was just supportive argument for the Multiverse being alike like the Neutral Space from DB.

And no, it is directly stated that it is a space-time overlap several time, not just a form of spacetime chaos (what is even that mean)?

Bro, they only talking about mysteries of the universes, not time axis.

To understand this, you must know semantic. In that time-period of video, Nolan suprises to see his wife and confused about how is soul is still in one even if he supposed to split across universes to defy the Calamity. So basically, when Nolan mentions these, his wife says it is a mysterious of the universe. In short, Nolan encounters with a time-paradox that is said to be an property of the cosmos, proving that time axis of the cosmos is mysterious to normal time axis. It is not a normal time axis because Nolan do know how to travel in temporal coordinates and has a understanding of temporal dimensions in cosmic scale. So like, he is vastly familiar with timeline stuff.

 

[Furina003]

You are not going to argue that it is a astral projection? Nice, that means that my argument at least worked. Also, don't ignore everything and strawman me here, I was not directly just arguing that all of that is 5-D. I was debunking the idea of it being a "astral projection", which was your substance to deny it being 5-D at your previous comment. If we accept all of that as being true, then you do accept that they do transcendent their limited existence into a higher one, granting them 4-D existence (HDE). Since their existence is not 3-D+1-D but just 4-D, and since they do exist in the Multiverse as objects of the Multiverse, this would make the Multiverse 5-D as it would make it 4-D space+ 1-D time.


If their level of understanding became 4-D, why wouldn't this grant anything? Also, I am not saying that the Multiverse is directly 5-D, but 4-D+1-D. I suggest you to take time and read my arguments carefully so you can understand the structure of it.



This is literally appeal to ignorance. You are not debunking why, these things, in this case is not 5-D? You are just showing: Stating that something transcends space or space and time does not necessarily imply that it has an extradimensional axis or that it pertains to the geometry of the object. But context of this is about that transcending time and space can be time-travel etc. in context. You are just cherry picking that part to ignore my whole argument. Tell me, how is completely transcending 4-D is not 5-D if the tiering system literally says:

ATP, if you keep being ignorant and simply deny it because of that one cherry picked quote, I will ping a Admin for a clarification.

I didn't argue that dimensions are seperated so higher dimensional. That was to prove that the Multiverse's 5th axis is significant.


I fear you misunderstand the tiering system very badly, pal. First of, I didn't say that Multiverse transcends all types of space-time or all concepts of it, but a void. A void in very definition is a empty space. Lacking space-time in this context is that having NEP, and we do scale voids and alike that is beyond their space-time of verses at tier 1-C etc. Unless you are saying that all voids in fiction cannot be dimensionally scales, create a post about it and reveal it to the staff team because in here, arguing it will not grant anything.

Second of all, please read my other comments in this post. I have already said this, that lacking space-time coordinates is may mispresented by me so I clarafied it.


Nice cherry picking, again, pal. I was arguing that the Neutral Space from Dragon Ball rated to as Low 1-C for exact same reason and I showed that the Multiverse in MLBB is like that structure. So I argued that if NS from DB is rated as 5-D, so the Multiverse is must be rated as 5-D too.

Also, you are still misunderstanding that having no space-time doesn't mean you can't be a higher existence. If time-space of a cosmology is 4-D, and you are existing a higher plane of existence that transcends all space and time of your verse, you can be tiered as 5-D.


Buddy, spacetime overlapping does mean that 3-D + 1-D overlap into a one singular 4-D constract. In this context, Multiverse was capable of containing a strange space where time-space was overlapping, making that space having 4-D fabric, and if Multiverse can contain this 4-D space and does have its 1-D time dimension, then the Multiverse is 5-D. Also, this was just supportive argument for the Multiverse being alike like the Neutral Space from DB.

And no, it is directly stated that it is a space-time overlap several time, not just a form of spacetime chaos (what is even that mean)?


To understand this, you must know semantic. In that time-period of video, Nolan suprises to see his wife and confused about how is soul is still in one even if he supposed to split across universes to defy the Calamity. So basically, when Nolan mentions these, his wife says it is a mysterious of the universe. In short, Nolan encounters with a time-paradox that is said to be an property of the cosmos, proving that time axis of the cosmos is mysterious to normal time axis. It is not a normal time axis because Nolan do know how to travel in temporal coordinates and has a understanding of temporal dimensions in cosmic scale. So like, he is vastly familiar with timeline stuff.

contact the staff, this is just going around in circles, and will make the CRT difficult to evaluate, I have already expressed my opinion, and the reasons why I disagree, so you can let the staff judge, if your CRT is accepted, that's good, but I still don't change my initial opinion

 

[SuperNunnas]

@Furina003 I will put you on Dissagree, then.

 

[SuperNunnas]

Well, I actually didn't figure out it.

@Re5yh
Can you ping a thread mod here, please?

 

[Re5yh]

Well, I actually didn't figure out it.

@Re5yh
Can you ping a thread mod here, please?

Normal users here can't ping mods, you should find one and ask them

 

[SuperNunnas]

Bump

 

[SuperNunnas]

Bump