A Regressor’s Tale Of Cultivation Proposal. (Part 1)

[Gansmsksmdm]

Like I said, your statement was simply nonsensical in the sense that you implied because they're "composed" by multiple substances means they can't transcend it, when no such rule can exactly be proved or forced?


I don't know anything dimensional stuff and mostly don't really care, but nothing suggests what you said, when the novel verbatim and explicitly says immortals are the to the three planes like a human is to a painting, and you deny that logic based on pre perceived notions that (as far as I know) have no real basis and are basically unprovable beyond our own intuition, it just doesn't paint a solid arg ig.

There is also the fact that transcending the planes comes after a journey of accumulating power, authorities, and even grasping an entire plane in your hand depending on the path you chose, (baring the plane of soul which you have full control over), can someone composed of the same material absorb it to get stronger?
Can someone composed of the same material grasp its entire existence?
Can someone who is alive "fuse" with the concept of death?

These are meaningless questions to the novel, because they happen, and so we just assume being composed of a certain property doesn't mean you can't transcend it to the extent the novel described, idk what you mean by "bound" here tho.

He has a problem that there are the non Saha world planes which are at TI plane level

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

He has a problem that there are the non Saha world planes which are at TI plane level

Oh, aren't ghandaras and such TI level planes?

Because honestly the novel was too long and had too much info I can't remember all at much.

 

[Gansmsksmdm]

Oh, aren't ghandaras and such TI level planes?

Because honestly the novel was too long and had too much info I can't remember all at much.

Ghandaras are TI realms but he has a problem with the highest level of the three planes being TI level and beyond since they trascend the mortal world

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

I agree with possibly Low 1-A for the Plane of Qi.

I disagree with 1-A for the Plane of Soul.

I agree with possibly 1-A for the Plane of Fate.

I disagree with High 1-A for the True Immortal Realm. I would currently place it at 1-A, possibly a layer into it bcoz of Plane of Fate.
(Assuming there aren't any major anti feats.)

What would you say is missing for High 1-A specifically? It’s essentially just non differentiation between non 1-A and 1-A stuff, which is just high 1-A iirc. Same thing for 1-A plane of soul, I feel it pretty comfortably fits the bill being superior to dimensionality because of its “quality” being higher.

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

Wouldn't matter when the True immortal realm was stated to see the 3 planes as fiction(not in any case referring to any specific ones) yet still being bound by it.

It is in fact referring to the planes that make up the Saha World.

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

This proposal will be focused on scaling a part of the cosmology of the Korean web-novel, “A Regressor’s Tale Of Cultivation”, more specifically, the 3 planes, and the True Immortal Realm.

Before starting the scale, it should be noted that the 3 planes are planes of existence,


they exist within a hierarchy,



and these planes are are non-dimensional/aspatiotemporal:
(Note that this first scan is to show the next scan referring to “dimensions flattening”, is talking about actual dimensions.

(Note that this just means there are only 5 dimensions within the material world, not that he can only sense the fifth dimension, as shown by the fact that the ENTIRE world appears to be lowering dimensionally and it is stated “the layers of this world” are turning planar and narrower, not just a part or a layer/few layers of the “world”.)

The “Gandhara”, is devoid of dimensions, having no dimensions to flatten.


The 3 planes exist within the Gandhara, a place without dimensions, meaning they are not intrinsically dimensional.



Another way to prove this, is through the “Heavenly Void Furnace”, a place devoid of all rules, causality, and spacetime,


yet, the 3 planes still exist within it.




Now, on to the main parts of the scale, I will start with the lowest Plane Of Qi, which I believe should comfortably qualify for a Low 1-A tiering.
The main proof of its tiering comes from this scan:



This is an extra scan to show that time would also be included within “the plane of space”.


Essentially, the lowest Plane Of Qi gives rise to spatiotemporality/dimensionality, and such concepts cannot exist without the lowest Plane Of Qi, with the area turning into a “void” when the lowest Plane Of Qi is cut, acting like a necessary existence for dimensionality. It is also non-dimensional/aspatiotemporal, so it cannot be reached through any dimensional means regardless of however higher dimensions you stack on. This should qualify for a Low 1-A plane of existence, being necessary for any and all possible dimensional spaces.



Next, the Plane Of Fate, which I believe should qualify for a 1-A (1 Layer) tiering. Do note that I will be explaining why the Plane Of Soul is 1-A after the Plane Of Fate due to the fact that some of the scaling regarding it, is itself based on the Plane Of Fate.

The Plane Of Fate is a plane of existence above all spacetime,


Existing in a “higher remote place”, guiding the “truths of the world”,


where all things are “anchored”.


How are they anchored exactly? By higher (Probably type 1) concepts within the Plane Of Fate, with all things of the lower world being “materializations” of said higher concepts, which should include spacetime/dimensions, things that only exist at the bottom of the Plane Of Qi.


The Plane Of Fate is a non-dimensional/aspatiotemporal plane of existence above all spatiotemporality, existing within a “higher remote place”, guiding “the truths of the world”, with said “truths” being higher concepts within the plane of fate from which all things of the lower world are anchored by, all things of the lower world being lower materializations (This would of course include things like spacetime/dimensions, which only exist within the lowest Plane Of Qi) of concepts within the Plane Of Fate. This should qualify for a 1-A (1 Layer) tiering, being superior to spatiotemporality/dimensionality, the Plane Of Qi, and the Plane Of Soul through a metaphysical gap, such things being more “material” than the Plane Of Fate, therefore, being qualitatively inferior.



Now, for the Plane Of Soul, you may be wondering why this is coming after the Plane Of Fate. The reason is a bit of the scale is actually related to how the Plane Of Fate scales.

The Plane Of Soul is a higher plane of existence guiding the direction of all things in the lower world.


It anchors all things in a similar way to the Plane Of Fate.


All higher planes, which includes the Plane Of Soul, contain the “metaphysical essences” of lower planes.


Lower phenomena are materializations of higher essences within the plane of soul, lower phenomena being described as being “material” compared to said higher essences. Since there are many of these, i’ll just list many of these examples together.








This is also analogized to things in the Material World being “reflections” of things of the Plane Of Soul.


Everything you do within the material world is also said to be external expressions of the “perfect” “immutable” “law” that is the heart, and “controlling” it lets you impose your ideals into the world.


This specific scan further illustrates each higher plane being more metaphysical than the last, the Plane Of Soul being similar higher form to the Plane Of Qi like the Plane Of Fate is compared to the Plane Of Soul.


The Plane Of Soul is a non-dimensional/aspatiotemporal plane of existence, guiding the direction of all things of the lower plane and where everything is anchored by higher metaphysical essences in a similar way to the Plane Of Fate, all things of the lower world being lower materializations/reflections or external expressions (This would of course include things like spacetime/dimensions, which only exist within the lowest Plane Of Qi) of the higher “perfect” “immutable” essences within the Plane Of Soul. This should qualify for a 1-A tiering, being superior to spatiotemporality/dimensionality and The Plane Of Qi through a metaphysical gap, such things being more “material” or mere reflections/external expressions of The Plane Of Soul which has a higher quality, therefore, being qualitatively inferior.


Before we continue, it should be noted that as shown by the statement,

The 3 planes are a collection of multiple planes,

and the highest planes of Qi, Soul, and Fate, are all on the same level. (In this case, the highest planes of the Saha World, though it similarly applies to the non Saha World Planes.)






Finally (at least for now), the True Immortal Realm, which should qualify for a High 1-A rating.

The True Immortal Realm transcends the lower planes in a different way compared to the normal hierarchy planes,


It quite literally, transcends the entire hierarchy of planes.


Where unlike the lower planes where you could freely manifest your existence to higher and lower levels, the True Immortality Realm transcends the lower planes in a different way compared to the lower realms, making you unable to freely move within the lower planes, the very hierarchy itself being no different to the inside of a painting or videogame, having to send lower incarnations to interact with the lower planes, while the main body is unmoving in reality.


Note, that this repulsion is due to higher being disallowing said universes to be destroyed.



The True Immortal realm transcends the lower planes in a different way, it exists beyond the entire hierarchy of the lower planes, viewing the very hierarchy as essentially fictional, having no differentiation between lower and higher planes as they are all equally unreal, and through this logic, even if infinite amount of planes were to be added to the hierarchy, they would be equally unreal, and would be unable to reach the True Immortal Realm. This should qualify for a High 1-A tiering.

It should also be noted that the highest of the three planes are equal to or greater than the True Immortal Realm, and they are different from the lower three planes that are fictional compared to the True Immortal Realm which can also be collectively called the Saha World.





To finish this scale off, I will just address some antifeats. Before starting however, I feel that this statement from the author should be important.


First, “The “strongest” character inside the verse has been stated to be 11D within the Q&A.”


Now, ignoring the fact that this Q&A takes place before the end of the work and before many things were decided, or the fact that the Author has directly stated that the work takes precedence over any Q&A, there are a few problems with the Q&A inherently.

1. The question itself is a leading question and a powerscaling question, which if I recall, is against the standards of this wiki.

2. There are a few contradictions to the story within this very answer, namely:

Seeing the 5th dimension starts from the True Immortal level, not star shattering.



The fact the Radiance Mantra only has been stated and shown to passively restrict time travel, not traveling to the 5th dimension.


And lastly, the implications that would arise from the Radiance Mantra suppressing the 5th dimension, namely, the fact that weaker characters like the Sword Spear Heavenly Lord and Bong Myeong just casually fight within the 5th dimension for thousands of years, which would mean they are resisting the same Radiance Mantra that could resist the absolute. Am analogy I thought of for this for those who haven’t read this story, would be something like Goku from the beginning of DBZ, casually resisting the influence of the Grand Priest, or Super Shenron.



Second, “It is stated that the planes are 4-D within the Q&A.”


Honestly just copying and pasting most of the criticisms for the previous “antifeat”, since they have similar issues.

Now, ignoring the fact that this Q&A takes place before the end of the work and before many things were decided, or the fact that the Author has directly stated that the work takes precedence over any Q&A, there are a few problems with the Q&A inherently.

1. The question itself is a powerscaling question, which if I recall, is against the standards of this wiki.

2. As shown by the previous Q&A, the author isn’t very consistent with his answers. In fact, there is another example of this within this very Q&A, (Q&A 12), specifically, the author states that the interdimensional void is the space between heavenly domains, instead of the inner sea, which is something even the editor of the translation pointed out.



There’s also another example of the author being inconsistent with the cosmology within his Q&A’s, saying things like the Plane Of Soul not existing before Hyeon Mu (the one who “created” the current Plane Of Soul.), when, in reality, the Plane Of Soul existed even before it was destroyed and replaced by a higher level character.



3. There are a few contradictions to the story within this very answer, namely:

If we were to believe the previous Q&A’s, we would be led to the conclusion that a Star Shattering Cultivator (5D according to the Q&A), would transcend the planes, which would just be absurd, as they cannot even normally reach the Plane Of Fate. I’m not even going to mention the others things it contradicts in the story, like the planes being aspatiotemporal/non-dimensional, existing within a space without the 5 dimensions, etc. etc.

With the above, it should also be clear that the Q&A’s are unsuitable for power-scaling uses at bare minimum.

Third, “We see true immortals in the 5th dimension, therefore, the True Immortal Realm is 5D.”

Ngl, there’s barely any reason to include the above scan, since we already know that True Immortals only ever send incarnations to the lower world, and the gact that we see normal constellations and superclusters in the scan, when they don’t exist in those forms in any planes except the material world.


This one can also be dismissed, same thing with True Immortals sending down incarnations,

+ the fact that if you just look a little before within this chapter, you’ll notice the fact that there are stuff like superclusters in the fighting place, meaning this is taking place within the Material World. In fact, I don’t know where the assumption that these dimensions have anything to do with planes even come from, since there aren’t any mentions of planes within these fights.


And in general, narratively, unless stated or shown otherwise, all fights take place within the Material World. Anyways, please do let me know if there any noteworthy antifeats besides these.

I’ll keep an agree/disagree section for each part of the scale to keep it slightly organized? Also occasionally adding relevant scans to the arguments, which I think is allowed? If not, do inform me.

Low 1-A lower Saha World Planes Of Qi
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

1-A lower Saha World Plane Of Soul
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

1-A (1 Layer) Plane Of Fate (do note that if the Plane Of Soul isn’t agreed to be baseline 1-A, this would just be agreeing to baseline 1-A Plane Of Fate)
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

High 1-A True Immortal Realm
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Livinmeme]

Uh...If TI are so suggsversal then why 99% of them can't destroy a heavenly realm?

 

[Gansmsksmdm]

Uh...If TI are so suggsversal then why 99% of them can't destroy a heavenly realm?

Bc vast goat said you can't and only by bringing the end one can destroy an heavenly domain

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

Uh...If TI are so suggsversal then why 99% of them can't destroy a heavenly realm?

Don’t know what a heavenly realm is, but if you’re referring to the heavenly domain of the Saha World,, that is because of SD’s protecting the heavenly domain, + the law of vast cold.

 

[XuQingXiYi]

Like I said, your statement was simply nonsensical in the sense that you implied because they're "composed" by multiple substances means they can't transcend it, when no such rule can exactly be proved or forced?


I don't know anything dimensional stuff and mostly don't really care, but nothing suggests what you said, when the novel verbatim and explicitly says immortals are the to the three planes like a human is to a painting, and you deny that logic based on pre perceived notions that (as far as I know) have no real basis and are basically unprovable beyond our own intuition, it just doesn't paint a solid arg ig.

There is also the fact that transcending the planes comes after a journey of accumulating power, authorities, and even grasping an entire plane in your hand depending on the path you chose, (baring the plane of soul which you have full control over), can someone composed of the same material absorb it to get stronger?
Can someone composed of the same material grasp its entire existence?
Can someone who is alive "fuse" with the concept of death?

These are meaningless questions to the novel, because they happen, and so we just assume being composed of a certain property doesn't mean you can't transcend it to the extent the novel described, idk what you mean by "bound" here tho.

i dont think u understood what i meant, I mean that the True immortals who supposedly transcend the three planes are still composed of the same material meaning they are still within the hierarchy of qi, soul, fate.

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

i dont think u understood what i meant, I mean that the True immortals who supposedly transcend the three planes are still composed of the same material meaning they are still within the hierarchy of qi, soul, fate.

The Qi, Soul, and Fate they are made of, are a higher version that scale to the same level. You can think of it like being made out of the equivalent of water in a High 1-A realm doesn’t downscale you to the level of normal 3d water. The water, (three planes in this case) are just a higher form of the lower version, and there are no problems with this.

 

[XuQingXiYi]

The Qi, Soul, and Fate they are made of, are a higher version that scale to the same level. You can think of it like being made out of the equivalent of water in a High 1-A realm doesn’t downscale you to the level of normal 3d water. The water, (three planes in this case) are just a higher form of the lower version, and there are no problems with this.

eh well in any case 1A makes more sense, simply seeing eveything below u as fiction is just a layer above it.

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

eh well in any case 1A makes more sense, simply seeing eveything below u as fiction is just a layer above it.

Non differentiation between 1-A and Non 1-A is in fact High 1-A if I recall correctly, since it is above the very “qualities” that define the difference between 1-A things and non 1-A things, basically the difference between 1-A and Non-1-A is zero in the eyes of true immortals, they are equally fictional, which makes the difference between any other layers of 1-A, 0 as well.

 

[XuQingXiYi]

Non differentiation between 1-A and Non 1-A is in fact High 1-A if I recall correctly, since it is above the very “qualities” that define the difference between 1-A things and non 1-A things, basically the difference between 1-A and Non-1-A is zero in the eyes of true immortals, they are equally fictional, which makes the difference between any other layers of 1-A, 0 as well.

that could be said for anything like 1 layer into 1A, 1 layer into 1A sees everything below it as fictional, whether it be 1A or non 1A, they both are equally fictional to this character.

 

[Hjdjdhf]

True Immortal Realm is more like 1A than High 1A

 

[XuQingXiYi]

True Immortal Realm is more like 1A than High 1A

Yeah exactly

 

[Gansmsksmdm]

True Immortal Realm is more like 1A than High 1A

Don't think so

 

[Exoko]

that could be said for anything like 1 layer into 1A, 1 layer into 1A sees everything below it as fictional, whether it be 1A or non 1A, they both are equally fictional to this character.

As long as the difference between non-1A to 1A and 1A to 1 layer into 1A is reduced to the same state and transcended you can get High 1A, a 1 layer into 1A wouldn't see the difference between 1A and non-1A as nothing substantial afaik, since the difference between 1 layer and baseline 1A is the same as that between 1A and non-1A there is no way for them to undermine the difference.

 

[Seraphor12]

What would you say is missing for High 1-A specifically? It’s essentially just non differentiation between non 1-A and 1-A stuff, which is just high 1-A iirc. Same thing for 1-A plane of soul, I feel it pretty comfortably fits the bill being superior to dimensionality because of its “quality” being higher.

Oh, I didn't noticed this.
So for High 1-A, my issue is that High 1-A isn't just non differentiation between 1-A and non 1-A things. Even a higher layer of 1-A would view lower layers and everything beneath them as equally insignificant, so that by itself isn't really enough for High 1-A.

High 1-A is more about a meta qualitative superiority, it being on an entirely different and superior qualitative framework than the whole 1-A hierarchy. I don't think this scale shows what the actual 1-A hierarchy of the verse is, nor does it show that the True Immortal Realm transcends that framework itself rather than simply being another level above the lower planes. From what is shown, it looks more like a higher layer of 1-A than High 1-A.

As for the Plane of Soul, my main issue is that Idt the scans properly establish ontological superiority. It being the source isn't necessarily the same thing as it being ontologically superior. I would want clearer evidence that essences are qualitatively superior and they are more fundamental, or irreducible to the lower reality. As it just looks like simply being a metaphysical layer that influences it.

 

[SuperNova55555]

High 1-A isn't just non differentiation between 1-A and non 1-A things.

It is, actually.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Average Chinamen, even if it's written by a Korean.

 

[Seraphor12]

It is, actually.

Non differentiation between what exactly?
If you mean non differentiation between the entire 1-A framework(which defines its entire hierarchy) and the non 1-A(quantitative framework which defines all dimensions and things like low 1A which are way bigger than any dimensional space in size) framework beneath it then I agree.
But if you just mean non differentiation between 1-A things and non-1-A things below them, then I disagree. Even a higher layer within 1-A could view lower 1-A layers and all non 1-A structures as equally insignificant, so I don't think that by itself is enough for High 1-A.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Non differentiation between what exactly?
If you mean non differentiation between the entire 1-A framework(which defines its entire hierarchy) and the non 1-A(quantitative framework which defines all dimensions and things like low 1A which are way bigger than any dimensional space in size) framework beneath it then I agree.
But if you just mean non differentiation between 1-A things and non-1-A things below them, then I disagree. Even a higher layer within 1-A could view lower 1-A layers and all non 1-A structures as equally insignificant, so I don't think that by itself is enough for High 1-A.

It’s just undifferentiation between the common property of 2 separate 1-A layers. If there no difference between them, then adding additional layers won’t change that at all, the same way adding extra dimensions doesn’t get you a single step closer to 1-A.

 

[Seraphor12]

Average Chinamen, even if it's written by a Korean.

Ngl I am confused about this, if it is written in korean then why there are chinese names like this in scans Vestige Liberation Immortal (尸解仙). Was the mc born in china in verse or something

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

that could be said for anything like 1 layer into 1A, 1 layer into 1A sees everything below it as fictional, whether it be 1A or non 1A, they both are equally fictional to this character.

They are not in fact equally fictional, that would kind of just remove the point of higher layers in 1-A, the difference between a non 1-A structure and a 1-A structure would be identical to the difference between a 1-A+ structure and a non 1-A structure if they were equally fictional. Also, there have been other verses that have gotten High 1-A through such reasoning, LOM is an example of this iirc.

 

[Gansmsksmdm]

Ngl I am confused about this, if it is written in korean then why there are chinese names like this in scans Vestige Liberation Immortal (尸解仙). Was the mc born in china in verse or something

No, its bc the author uses chinese characters for stuff

 

[Skishe]

Uh...If TI are so suggsversal then why 99% of them can't destroy a heavenly realm?

They can... This is one of those rare moments where the Work > Author lol

The only thing stopping the high immortals from doing that is "That's stupid, what would be the point of doing that?".

Well, that and Vast Cold law.

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

They can... This is one of those rare moments where the Work > Author lol

The only thing stopping the high immortals from doing that is "That's stupid, what would be the point of doing that?".

Well, that and Vast Cold law.

Also the governing immortal blocking the true immortals, which I actually mention in the post.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Ngl I am confused about this, if it is written in korean then why there are chinese names like this in scans Vestige Liberation Immortal (尸解仙). Was the mc born in china in verse or something

Korean and Chinese names are close, with the Korean often use Chinese term for Murim/Xianxia.

 

[Lumen_Imperator]

Ngl I am confused about this, if it is written in korean then why there are chinese names like this in scans Vestige Liberation Immortal (尸解仙). Was the mc born in china in verse or something

From the Translator - "Same concept, but chinese pronunciation sounded better in english And it’s easier to google chinese terms in english than korean terms And it’s ******* xianxia So…

This was usually for terms without a good english translation"

 

[XuQingXiYi]

As long as the difference between non-1A to 1A and 1A to 1 layer into 1A is reduced to the same state and transcended you can get High 1A, a 1 layer into 1A wouldn't see the difference between 1A and non-1A as nothing substantial afaik, since the difference between 1 layer and baseline 1A is the same as that between 1A and non-1A there is no way for them to undermine the difference.

there is no 1 layer into 1A other than true immortal realm, the planes only get to 1A altogether and the true immortal simply sees the planes as fiction, i dont get where the High 1A is coming from.

 

[XuQingXiYi]

They are not in fact equally fictional, that would kind of just remove the point of higher layers in 1-A, the difference between a non 1-A structure and a 1-A structure would be identical to the difference between a 1-A+ structure and a non 1-A structure if they were equally fictional. Also, there have been other verses that have gotten High 1-A through such reasoning, LOM is an example of this iirc.

bro 1 layer into 1A will see everything below it as fiction, whether it be 1A or non 1A

 

[XuQingXiYi]

Non differentiation between what exactly?
If you mean non differentiation between the entire 1-A framework(which defines its entire hierarchy) and the non 1-A(quantitative framework which defines all dimensions and things like low 1A which are way bigger than any dimensional space in size) framework beneath it then I agree.
But if you just mean non differentiation between 1-A things and non-1-A things below them, then I disagree. Even a higher layer within 1-A could view lower 1-A layers and all non 1-A structures as equally insignificant, so I don't think that by itself is enough for High 1-A.

this

 

[XuQingXiYi]

basically what u are saying is that seeing 0d and everything below it as fiction is outer...

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

this

I have a feeling you don’t exactly know how High 1-A works, also, the person you are quoting has been responded to by someone else already. There are already verses that have High 1-A through similar logic.

 

[XuQingXiYi]

I have a feeling you don’t exactly know how High 1-A works, also, the person you are quoting has been responded to by someone else already. There are already verses that have High 1-A through similar logic.

i have a feeling you don't exactly know how layers into 1A work, also the person you said has been responded to is talking about H1A in general, not how it applies in this verse. Verses have H1-A for beings seeing an entire 1A framework as fictional, whether that be infinite layers or 36 or 999 etc. all of it will be like flipping pages in a book to H1-A. However, none of that is actually shown in the work or for true immortals. All we get is that true immortals see the planes as a painting and is 3 dimensional relative to the painting. This would just be an extra layer above where the planes scale. To give u an example of what ur saying, u see how 1A is defined by naturally being transcendent over dimensional frameworks and any form of dimensional extension wouldn't be able to reach them. What ur saying is that this character sees 1d and everything below it as fictional, therefore no amount of dimensional stacking would be able to reach this character and this will give a outer rating. U see how that doesn't make sense now?

 

[Seraphor12]

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Did translator really say this? lol

 

[Seraphor12]

the person you are quoting has been responded to by someone else already.

Idt Supernova is supporting you there. He's talking about undifferentiation with respect to the common property shared by separate 1-A layers, which is basically what I was referring to as the 1-A framework that defines the hierarchy. Your scale doesn't really properly establish such a hierarchy in the first place, nor does it show how the supposed High 1-A transcends that common property itself rather than simply existing above the lower layers.

 

[Kavliaris]

Ngl, I'm also not confident in the True Immortal H1-A rating. Some evidence I can gather is that there is a real downward hierarchy of dream/unreality below the baseline Saha-world of at least one level, born from the Ender Authority at level of the Governing Immortal

—This world itself...was created through a dream that anyone living in the Head Realm could have. Do you seek the specialness of this world? This world is not special. If you are not a successor, it is nothing but a meaningless virtual space; do you understand?

The world around Seo Hweol began to distort.

In response, Agate continued to calculate, trying to find a way to subdue Seo Hweol.

And then, it realized.

Even the administrator of the dream was now facing resistance from a supporting character within the dream.

It could not find a way to suppress Seo Hweol.

This world was a dream.

Not just any dream, but a dream interwoven with the dreams of countless beings.

Among them, Agate's trial ground was simply the most dominant.

But fragments of other beings' dreams were also scattered throughout.

That was the nature of this world.

The reason Seo Hweol can resist and escape is because he had power from the Immortal Art: Purple Soul Filling the Heaven, which originated from at least two True Immortals

Seo Hweol, despite being used as a tool of the dream, had configured themself and replaced the entirety of this world with themself.

If Seo Hweol had simply replaced the world through reincarnation according to the dream's settings, it might have been manageable. But they had connected to Purple Soul Filling the Heavens through their own power.

Through drugs and hypnosis, Seo Hweol had pushed themself to the extreme within the dream and, even if only a speck, had transformed themself anew.

A being born from that error.

That was Seo Hweol.

And Seo Hweol replaced every fragment of Purple Soul Filling the Heavens scattered throughout the world with themself, becoming the 'central axis.'

Yet, even as Agate continued its calculations, it could not easily understand why Seo Hweol could oppose it.

No matter how erroneous, no matter if they had become the axis of something like Purple Soul Filling the Heavens...

Seo Hweol was ultimately a being born within the dream overseen by Agate.

It was only natural that they shouldn't be able to resist.

and Seo Hweol hatred connected with core concept of the Authority

How could an error not only reach the administrator but also devour it?

Especially from the perspective of a configuration similar to them, how could such a primitive and crude configuration consume something like itself?

The reason for the possibility lay in the essence of the dream.

Hatred.

This dream world, left behind by Agate's original owner, was built upon the concept of [Hatred (憎)].

And layered atop that concept was the information cluster called Agate had been overlaid as its administrator.

But Seo Hweol, born as an error, had connected themself to the very essence of this world.

Through suffering, they had connected to the essence of hatred itself.

and himself is innate Sacred Vessel

Seo Hweol also gained knowledge about the world at large.

Unlike the inside of the [dream], this world had existences called martial artists and cultivators.

Unlike the powerless daoists, monks, and shamans Seo Hweol had known, the existences beyond the dream truly possessed power.

Beings of the Immortal Family truly wielded power, demon spirits existed, and beings known as True Immortals roamed the world.

And Seo Hweol understood that their existence, by the standards of cultivators, corresponded to the Sacred Vessel stage.

An existence born from the intertwining of Purple Soul Filling the Heavens, Agate's dream, and several ancient forces, transformed into a new Immortal Art.

That was Seo Hweol—a Sacred Vessel.

By the time they realized this, Seo Hweol's consciousness had nearly completed its emergence.

 

[Tyrkanzyaka]

Idt Supernova is supporting you there. He's talking about undifferentiation with respect to the common property shared by separate 1-A layers, which is basically what I was referring to as the 1-A framework that defines the hierarchy. Your scale doesn't really properly establish such a hierarchy in the first place, nor does it show how the supposed High 1-A transcends that common property itself rather than simply existing above the lower layers.

So uh, this isn’t exactly what he said, essentially, if the quality that is 1-A, is no different from the quality that isn’t 1-A from the perspective of High 1-A, even if you add higher levels of 1-A, it wouldn’t be possible to bridge the gap between 1-A and High 1-A, in the same way no amount of higher dimensions can bridge the gap between non 1-A and 1-A.

High 1-A isn't just non differentiation between 1-A and non 1-A things.

It is, actually.

Non differentiation between what exactly?
If you mean non differentiation between the entire 1-A framework(which defines its entire hierarchy) and the non 1-A(quantitative framework which defines all dimensions and things like low 1A which are way bigger than any dimensional space in size) framework beneath it then I agree.
But if you just mean non differentiation between 1-A things and non-1-A things below them, then I disagree. Even a higher layer within 1-A could view lower 1-A layers and all non 1-A structures as equally insignificant, so I don't think that by itself is enough for High 1-A.

It’s just undifferentiation between the common property of 2 separate 1-A layers. If there no difference between them, then adding additional layers won’t change that at all, the same way adding extra dimensions doesn’t get you a single step closer to 1-A.

This is essentially just “If there is no difference between a fictional layer and a non fictional layer, then adding additional layers won’t change that at all, in the same way adding extra dimensions doesn’t get you a single step closer to 1-A” which fits with what has been shown for true immortals,

They abandon the Qualities that represent 1-A and not 1-A,

According to Yeo Hwi, the first realm one steps into after becoming a True Immortal is called Vestige Liberation Immortal (尸解仙).

The meaning of the name itself reveals how one advances to that realm.

Vestige Liberation (尸解).

It refers to beings who shed their physical bodies and ascend entirely into the world above the Planes of Qi, Soul, and Fate.

In short, the True Immortal advancement ritual is liberation from the physical body.

That is, one must abandon all their ‘lifespan,’ ‘physical body,’ and ‘everything’ one has pursued in the mortal world up until now to reach True Immortality.

Simply put, We call this suicide (自殺).

Death.

Such a simple yet terrifying ritual is the only way to advance to become a True Immortal.
— Chapter 536

viewing all of the qualities as equally fictional as a single painting. This is also why the True Immortal realm is usually never said to just be the plane above the plane of fate, instead always saying it is above the 3 planes, since they are equally unreal. If the difference between real (Fate) and Unreal (lower planes) is essentially not there, then any amount of higher planes added wouldn’t bridge any gap, no amount of unreal things can stack up to become real, 0+0+0+0… is still 0.

Why is it that, after becoming True Immortals who have transcended the Three Planes, are our actions even more restricted than before?

The reason is quite simple.

If the Three Planes are considered a 'painting,' then we are 'beings who have transcended the painting.'

A being within the painting could have freely roamed within it. But now, having completely left the painting, if the being tries to reach their hand back into it, the painting would tear apart.

In other words, if a True Immortal recklessly tries to descend into the lower realm, one of two outcomes will occur. Either the area where the True Immortal descends is annihilated entirely along with space itself, or the True Immortal is repelled while descending.
— Chapter 559

The main body within the true immortal realm remains unmoving in reality while they are moving through the planes, there is no difference between moving in unreal and real planes as they are equally all the same, like if a videogame has real and unreal areas, both are equally unreal to the person playing the video game, no amount of higher planes within a videogame bridges the gap between the video game and the person playing the game.

This is almost like… yes. It is similar to using one of those rectangular search magic artifacts on Earth, enjoying games within it.

While the main body remains seated and unmoving in reality, my access to Heavenly Domains changes depending on the Heavenly Domain where I—or those who revere me—move within the lower planes.
— Chapter 562