The Judge, Jury, & Executioner; Hiromi Higuruma vs Sans (Jujutsu Kaisen vs Undertale) [2-13-1]

[Comiphorous]

So reading through the thread, the only crime that he could try and get sans on to restrict sans' powers would be sans threatening to go through with a direct order from Asgore (the ultimate authority in that situation) and saying just kidding because he promised he wouldn't?

How exactly would he ever get away with getting a guilty verdict on something like that?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Wasn't that cause of the fear Yuta had of losing her or smth? Like CE is intrinsically negative emotions, you won't find a hope and happiness Cursed Spirit lol
I also feel like the point about how CE is something everyone (normal) has while UT Magic is exclusively a Monster thing needs to also be addressed.

IIRC it's explicitly stated Yuta's love tied Rika to the world to a point of effectively holding her hostage. He couldn't let her go. In other translations it also says love is the most twisted curse of all. Positive emotions can have negative consequences/be negative depending on how they affect others and the person themselves. Point is, both stem from emotions, the difference is one is negative, the other is positive, but they have overlapping emotions too (Love). I don't think that small distinction makes all that much of a difference, at worst that'd just make it closer to positive cursed energy from RCT.

Everyone having CE is a fair point, but almost no human can use it either. Similar to humans in Undertale who were also capable of magic even if sparingly.

 

[koopa3144]

So reading through the thread, the only crime that he could try and get sans on to restrict sans' powers would be sans threatening to go through with a direct order from Asgore (the ultimate authority in that situation) and saying just kidding because he promised he wouldn't?

How exactly would he ever get away with getting a guilty verdict on something like that?

Judgeman can accuse Sans of anything that he's done that could be considered a crime, even if it's just a random misdemeanor he did off-screen, so Judgeman picking the offence of threatening Frisk is unlikely. Even if it does pick it, depending on what the specific charge is, Higuruma's skill in court and Judgeman's evidence could let him nail Sans with a guilty verdict regardless.

 

[Arceus0x]

Judgeman can accuse Sans of anything that he's done that could be considered a crime, even if it's just a random misdemeanor he did off-screen, so Judgeman picking the offence of threatening Frisk is unlikely. Even if it does pick it, depending on what the specific charge is, Higuruma's skill in court and Judgeman's evidence could let him nail Sans with a guilty verdict regardless.

Offscreen misdemeanors don't count. He isn't a known offender, no proof of crimes existing. Using non existent events as an argument is nonsensical.
You still ignore that Sans, especially since he'll know the rules of the domain, should be able to defend against something minor.

 

[Comiphorous]

Judgeman can accuse Sans of anything that he's done that could be considered a crime, even if it's just a random misdemeanor he did off-screen, so Judgeman picking the offence of threatening Frisk is unlikely. Even if it does pick it, depending on what the specific charge is, Higuruma's skill in court and Judgeman's evidence could let him nail Sans with a guilty verdict regardless.

Judgeman's evidence would be so utterly weak that someone as dumb as Wheatley could easily defend themselves from whatever Judgeman pulls on Sans. Like he'd be actually drawing at literal straws to find anything to put on Sans.

And if he did find something, it'd be so utterly weak considering sans' track record on his known hijinks that Sans could very easily beat it.

 

[Sooshirohl]

honestly i'm kind of just on the fence on this, is voting incon an option? kind of just feels like this verdict depends on too many different factors for me to really concretely cast a vote on one side or the other

 

[ARandomDude127]

honestly i'm kind of just on the fence on this, is voting incon an option? kind of just feels like this verdict depends on too many different factors for me to really concretely cast a vote on one side or the other

I mean, yeah incons an option. You wanna lock it in as your vote?

 

[Sooshirohl]

I mean, yeah incons an option. You wanna lock it in as your vote?

yeah i'll just vote incon for now. if the conversation continues and more args come up i might change my vote later down the line

 

[ARandomDude127]

yeah i'll just vote incon for now. if the conversation continues and more args come up i might change my vote later down the line

Vote counted!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Are we fr arguing that Judgeman will successfully accuse Sans with EG Intelligence of non-existent crimes we were never shown in Undertale?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Are we fr arguing that Judgeman will successfully accuse Sans with EG Intelligence of non-existent crimes we were never shown in Undertale?

One of them was whether or not Sans didn’t have a permit for selling hotdogs

 

[Dragonite007]

Sans FRA

 

[God_of_perversion]

Any way
My vote is that higuruma can't prove Sans to be guilty of any crime due to the fact that as far as we know everything Sans did is completely fine by Underground's rules

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sans FRA.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Sans FRA

Any way
My vote is that higuruma can't prove Sans to be guilty of any crime due to the fact that as far as we know everything Sans did is completely fine by Underground's rules

Sans FRA.

Vote counted!

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Sans FRA

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sans FRA yea

 

[Comiphorous]

Dawg wait until they bring up Sans LITTERING for having a mess in his room and a sock in his living room.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sans also didn't feed his pet, clearly animal abuse.

 

[Comiphorous]

Anyways if it weren't obvious my money's on Sans.

 

[ShionAH]

Sans FRA

 

[Doggo]

Tumblr sexy man FRA

 

[Bruhtelho]

Hiromi Higuruma gets dunked on FRA

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Sans FRA

 

[Edutyn]

sans fra

 

[ARandomDude127]

Sans FRA

Sans FRA

Sans FRA yea

Anyways if it weren't obvious my money's on Sans.

Sans FRA

Tumblr sexy man FRA

Hiromi Higuruma gets dunked on FRA

Sans FRA

sans fra

Jeez that’s a lot of votes, counted! And I think Grace is met?

 

[Nonynho]

If this is Sans from the end of the game he can be accused of either Attempted Capital Assassination or Capital Assassination (with Cruelty to make s* even worse), since revenge against Chara/Frisk is not how legally s* should be solved after Chara/Frisk kills a whole lot of people

 

[ShionAH]

since revenge against Chara/Frisk is not how legally s* should be solved after Chara/Frisk kills a whole lot of people

He did warn them not to get closer and seeing their past crimes can Sans argue it was self defense?

 

[ARandomDude127]

He did warn them not to get closer and seeing their trackrecord can Sans argue it was self defense?

Ngl it depends how Japan sees it, since that’s what Higuruma’s technique uses here.

 

[Nonynho]

can Sans argue it was self defense?

No, because he also could get away lol

Sans could just not be at that corridor, or simply TP away, he chose to stay and fight a literal child

 

[Nonynho]

Ngl it depends how Japan sees it, since that’s what Higuruma’s technique uses here.

Japan 100% does not see it as self-defense when, even if the child is capable of capital murder, you're still a civillian who could just not be there, threatens and eventually either attempts or indeed murders a child

maybe there's even a higher degree because of how japanese law would comprehend killing a child with soul magic lmfaooooo

 

[Pyro9278]

Sans FRA

 

[Nonynho]

Jeez that’s a lot of votes, counted! And I think Grace is met?

I'm legit making a more in-depth research on japanese law and remaking this thread in a few days

 

[ARandomDude127]

I'm legit making a more in-depth research on japanese law and remaking this thread in a few days

Bet, can’t wait for it

As for now, yeah I think Grace was over a WHILE ago, so I’ll but this on the profiles.

 

[ShionAH]

Sans could just not be at that corridor, or simply TP away, he chose to stay and fight a literal child

He was staying there, the mass murdering kid with a knife walked in, he told them to stay away, they got closer and he fought them isn't that just self defense. He can also argue he was trying to protect the King that the kid was going to attack

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He was staying there, the mass murdering kid with a knife walked in, he told them to stay away, they got closer and he fought them isn't that just self defense. He can also argue he was trying to protect the King that the kid was going to attack

He's also a Sentry lol

 

[Nonynho]

He can also argue he was trying to protect the King that the kid was going to attack

If he's a civillian that's veeeeery unlikely to count as much

He's also a Sentry lol

please tell me the source of him having an official position or something alike

 

[ShionAH]

please tell me the source of him having an official position or something alike

Undyne hired him, he literally introduces himself as a Sentry too iirc what do you mean?

 

[ARandomDude127]

He's also a Sentry lol

Wait then couldn’t he be tried for the fact that he was in a position of power and could’ve and SHOULD’VE stopped Frisk, but didn’t, and as a result lead to the death of a or many monsters? I’m pretty sure Japan mentions something like that in one of the articles, though I’m not too versed on Japan’s legal code so I’d have to find it

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

please tell me the source of him having an official position or something alike