Tier 9 Humanoid Tournament Round 2 Match 1: Todd Fang vs Cuphead

[Friedoil11]

Tier 9 Humanoid Tournament​

Todd Fang vs Cuphead:​

The rule:​

1. The battle takes place in Level 0 Backrooms.
2. Both participants will know that if they break a wall they will be both teleported to Level 483 and to Level 27 if they break the floor.
3. Both participants remember their past victories in the tournament.
4. Speed is equalized.
5. Both have 1 minute and a half of prep time.
6. After the minute and a half of prep time, both participants will spawn in random spots and will know the opponent's starting positions.
7. Cuphead is in his Mid Game Key.

Todd Fang:
Cuphead:
Imconclusive (coin flip):

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Just like last time, it seems like Todd can just go invisible and kill cuphead

 

[ARandomDude127]

Just like last time, it seems like Todd can just go invisible and kill cuphead

Chaser can auto-track things completely out of Cuphead’s line of sight as well as intangible ghosts, so there’s a pretty good chance Chaser would snitch on him either way.

Though, considering the entirety strategy of Cuphead’s last opponent was distracting him and trying to take him off guard with portals, there’s a good chance Cuphead might start off with Chaos Orbit. If he does, what’s Todd’s response? Even just one of Cuphead’s bullets would reduce Todd to paste here, and Chaos Orbit would completely surround Cuphead in Chaser projectiles.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Chaser can auto-track things completely out of Cuphead’s line of sight as well as intangible ghosts, so there’s a pretty good chance Chaser would snitch on him either way.

Though, considering the entirety strategy of Cuphead’s last opponent was distracting him and trying to take him off guard with portals, there’s a good chance Cuphead might start off with Chaos Orbit. If he does, what’s Todd’s response? Even just one of Cuphead’s bullets would reduce Todd to paste here, and Chaos Orbit would completely surround Cuphead in Chaser projectiles.

Layered stealth mastery, the evil eye of detection couldn't detect him either. Todd is pretty much non existant for him here

 

[ARandomDude127]

Layered stealth mastery, the evil eye of detection couldn't detect him either. Todd is pretty much non existant for him here

Ah fu-

But still, what happens if Cuphead uses Chaos Orbit? Now Todd LITERALLY can’t get near him without being reduced to paste.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Ah fu-

But still, what happens if Cuphead uses Chaos Orbit? Now Todd LITERALLY can’t get near him without being reduced to paste.

knife throwing skills

• Marksmanship (He is capable of throwing a knife from afar that hit his enemy's leg while sucessfully avoiding any major arteries)

 

[ARandomDude127]

knife throwing skills

Wouldn’t the knives just get obliterated by the Chaser projectiles then? Cuphead’s OWN projectiles can attack others, and once he realizes that the opponent’s there and he can’t see him, he could just fill the entire room with boomeranging Danmaku with Roundabout and use Chaos Orbit again.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Wouldn’t the knives just get obliterated by the Chaser projectiles then? Cuphead’s OWN projectiles can attack others, and once he realizes that the opponent’s there and he can’t see him, he could just fill the entire room with boomeranging Danmaku with Roundabout and use Chaos Orbit again.

For one, they stop from time-to-time which Todd would definitely notice and use as his opportunity to strike, Todd is a patient individual afterall

second:

• Poison Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement (Todd has kept witchbeast venom that is capable of poisoning someone to death quickly, but when diluted causes them to become numb and unable to move. Todd is able to concoct pseudo-tear gas that instantly affects his enemies)

Third:

• Fate Manipulation (Several individuals, through their intuition, consistently select the "correct answer" in various situations as they are loved by fate itself. Fate is a law of the world used by the Observers, supernatural existences that are beyond the framework, to manipulate every event at will. To the Observers, the world is nothing more than a puppet show of fixed events and predestined fate)

Things would just go his way


tbf his marksmenship is already enough for him to easily be able to hit him regardless of the spinning chaos oompa loompas

 

[Friedoil11]

I would like to specify that Cuphead has an AP advantage of x39,52 and has Invincibility, as chosen by ARandomDude127. So that should be an advantage to Cuphead.

 

[ARandomDude127]

For one, they stop from time-to-time which Todd would definitely notice and use as his opportunity to strike, Todd is a patient individual afterall

Wdym? Is this referring to the Chaos Orbit projectiles? If so then like, they don’t really “stop” until something hits it, they passively circle around Cuphead. Doesn’t help that Cuphead’s projectiles are like 4x faster than Todd here due to speed equalization rules.

For one, they stop from time-to-time which Todd would definitely notice and use as his opportunity to strike, Todd is a patient individual afterall

second:

Not fully understanding the first one, is it something he puts on his weapons? As for the second, Cuphead’s projectiles can attack and disperse things like fire & clouds, though ion like the part where it says it’s INSTANT…

tbf his marksmenship is already enough for him to easily be able to hit him regardless of the spinning chaos oompa loompas

Except that there’s like, almost ZERO space inbetween the Chaser projectiles, unless his knives are small asf they’re probably gonna hit one of the projectiles.

Third:

WHY do we have someone with an Archie Sonic ass passive here 🫩

 

[ARandomDude127]

I would like to specify that Cuphead has an AP advantage of x39,52 and has Invincibility, as chosen by ARandomDude127. So that should be an advantage to Cuphead.

Invincibility HONESTLY doesn’t do much here, it kinda helps Cuphead’s case with how much defense, but it’s more effective against opponents Cuphead can actually like

see

Edit: Speaking of, can Todd dodge Danmaku that’s around 4 times faster than him?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

well thats fine i suppose, can he do something about this

• Magic & Law Manipulation (Magic is the process of imposing one’s will on reality by manipulating mana to override natural laws, it is reality and meddling with logic to reshape the natural order of the world, where the caster’s will clashes with the world’s resistance and can bends the world natural order)
• Temperature Manipulation, Ice Manipulation & Fire Manipulation (Todd was shown to threaten a lesser fire spirit into obeying him, the Fire attribute controls temperature)

Remind me why i didnt use Subaru again...

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Invincibility HONESTLY doesn’t do much here, it kinda helps Cuphead’s case with how much defense, but it’s more effective against opponents Cuphead can actually like

see

Edit: Speaking of, can Todd dodge Danmaku that’s around 4 times faster than him?

its not on his profile yet (its missing some stuff we find out in arc 9) but he should also have this on his profile from upscaling from other characters:

• Analytical Prediction (Dodged a rain of arrows by reading the shooters intent)

These were perception blitzing her mind you

 

[ARandomDude127]

well thats fine i suppose, can he do something about this

what is this entailing I Lwk don’t get it

As for the second one, Cuphead’s Danmaku can damage and attack fire as if it were physical and destroy it.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Remind me why i didnt use Subaru again...

Probably because oh I dunno he can resurrect how many times he wants to

Literally no one would be able to do anything, and I have my doubts that anyone can do anything to Todd here in this tournament.

 

[ARandomDude127]

its not on his profile yet (its missing some stuff we find out in arc 9) but he should also have this on his profile from upscaling from other characters:

These were perception blitzing her mind you

Now do I invoke the almighty tech of “that’s not on the profile”…

decisions decisions…

Uhh, I mean I guess that’s fair, but said Danmaku in question would also just completely destroy anything Todd would try and send at Cuphead. Remember Cuphead’s got a nearly 40x AP advantage over Todd, could he even harm Cuphead? I don’t know the specifics of piercing damage especially in situations like this.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

what is this entailing I Lwk don’t get it

As for the second one, Cuphead’s Danmaku can damage and attack fire as if it were physical and destroy it.

Technically its law manip based fire, so I am unsure if its okay to compare the feat of damaging normal fire with this. Anyways, Todd could just have an AoE fire or ice attack burn/freezes him to a crisp/popsicle here

Probably because oh I dunno he can resurrect how many times he wants to

Literally no one would be able to do anything, and I have my doubts that anyone can do anything to Todd here in this tournament.

Next tournament i am using Subaru

Now do I invoke the almighty tech of “that’s not on the profile”…

decisions decisions…

Uhh, I mean I guess that’s fair, but said Danmaku in question would also just completely destroy anything Todd would try and send at Cuphead.

that feat was performed by an untrained 7 yr old Emilia , pretty much all the profiles scale to it and that IS accepted

Its worth mentioning that because of intuition stuff, Todd will automatically choose the most optimal response, is cuphead prone to SI btw?

 

[ARandomDude127]

Technically its law manip based fire, so I am unsure if its okay to compare the feat of damaging normal fire with this. Anyways, Todd could just have an AoE fire or ice attack burn/freezes him to a crisp/popsicle here

Depending on the range I mean MAYBE Cuphead could keep him far enough to where it wouldn’t do much?-

Next tournament i am using Subaru

Ref ******* DO something

that feat was performed by an untrained 7 yr old Emilia , pretty much all the profiles scale to it and that IS accepted

phooey.

Its worth mentioning that because of intuition stuff, Todd will automatically choose the most optimal response, is cuphead prone to SI btw?

Unironically, mehh, it kinda depends? Cuphead’s kind of a ********, there’s a whole boss who just cries yet Cuphead still beats the hell out of him without a second thought, the Devil does the same thing too, and I get that this isn’t End-Game Cuphead but it’s still Cuphead, so his personality shouldn’t be any different. He’s also a bit of a douche towards Saltbaker once his entire bakery collapses, whereas Mugman & Chalice feel sorry for Saltbaker.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Depending on the range I mean MAYBE Cuphead could keep him far enough to where it wouldn’t do much?-

Ref ******* DO something

phooey.

Unironically, mehh, it kinda depends? Cuphead’s kind of a ********, there’s a whole boss who just cries yet Cuphead still beats the hell out of him without a second thought, the Devil does the same thing too, and I get that this isn’t End-Game Cuphead but it’s still Cuphead, so his personality shouldn’t be any different. He’s also a bit of a douche towards Saltbaker once his entire bakery collapses, whereas Mugman & Chalice feel sorry for Saltbaker.

Subaru thinks Todd is scarier than Regulus, Ley, Sirius, Capella and Petelgeuse (Regulus is number 1 or 2 strongest tier 10 non smurf on the wiki rn btw)

• Social Influencing (Todd is a charming man and he has a way of making people do what he wants despite their inital disagreement. He was even able to get the Divine General Arakiya on his side and bring her back from her state of depression. Todd is capable of deceiving people into killing others for him by taking advantage of chaotic situations, with his voice having the emotional control to make a great number of people act. Todd had even managed to make a soldier willingly confess to the fact that he and his comrades had tortured a resident of Chaosflame to death and violated her corpse. Todd's murderous intent is so dense that it can almost cause someone to faint Todd invokes a different fear than the likes of Sin Archbishops, Witchbeasts, or even Reid Astrea. Subaru considers Todd to be more terrifying than all of the Witch Cult's Sin Archbishops)

Anyways, someone crying and someone accurately knowing your exact feelings/wants/emotions is pretty different

shit, his intelligence section despite being incompleted just shows how big of a menace he is, i am giving you one small part of it but you should definetely give it a read on your own (and if you like it, do read re zero)

He is capable of reading thoughts through keen observation of facial expressions, as shown when he responded accurately to a thought Arakiya never voiced. Furthermore, Todd could read Subaru’s intent just by looking into his eyes, despite never having met him before. He demonstrated this even further when he recognized the type of person Otto was by just looking at him, never having spoken with him. Subaru also feels that Todd can see through any lie, prompting him to avoid lying to him altogether. Todd is capable of mentally mapping an entire city flawlessly, even after visiting it only once. Regardless of the threat, Todd always has a way to kill it, avoid being detected by it, or escape it. He is considered a first-rate killer and can formulate numerous methods for murder.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Subaru thinks Todd is scarier than Regulus, Ley, Sirius, Capella and Petelgeuse (Regulus is number 1 or 2 strongest tier 10 non smurf on the wiki rn btw)

So what im hearing is put him against V1

Edit: I accidentally clicked send too early, mobile SUCKS dude

Anyways, yeah that SI will probably do the trick, but honestly there ain’t much TO Cuphead, he’s violent, greedy, and likes his family & friends. Kinda meh.

But I still wanna believe Cuphead can hit him at LEAST once, for the analytical prediction, did the arrows come from one direction or multiple? Because Cuphead can fire out Roundabout in multiple different directions pretty quickly + the fact they boomerang back would fill the room pretty fast.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

its okay i will read your reply even if its edited gang

 

[ARandomDude127]

its okay i will read your reply even if its edited gang

Alr it’s edited yippee

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So what im hearing is put him against V1

Edit: I accidentally clicked send too early, mobile SUCKS dude

Anyways, yeah that SI will probably do the trick, but honestly there ain’t much TO Cuphead, he’s violent, greedy, and likes his family & friends. Kinda meh.

But I still wanna believe Cuphead can hit him at LEAST once, for the analytical prediction, did the arrows come from one direction or multiple? Because Cuphead can fire out Roundabout in multiple different directions pretty quickly + the fact they boomerang back would fill the room pretty fast.

consider the fact that his prediction extends to not just things but entire events

He predicted the exact movements his targets would make when he concoted a plan which was exactly in line with what he intended and predicted they would do. He was also able to predict the exact movements Subaru would take upon seeing a ally shot. His predictions extend not only to humans, he can also factor in a witchbeast's movement in order to kill his enemies and destroy them all in one go. Todd was able to tell Subaru's course of action the instant he readied himself, and even predicted Subaru's plan to escape upon seeing the snake witchbeast

his intuition would also let him dodge attacks he can't even see or knows about, ReZero characters typically have a danger sense that is better than Deku's

He was able to sense danger, and lower his head out of the way of Todd's attack, despite his back being turned to Todd

Its likely he would devise a plan that would be able to kill cuphead without him even knowing what would happen

 

[Crimsonobu]

Now do I invoke the almighty tech of “that’s not on the profile”…

decisions decisions…

Uhh, I mean I guess that’s fair, but said Danmaku in question would also just completely destroy anything Todd would try and send at Cuphead. Remember Cuphead’s got a nearly 40x AP advantage over Todd, could he even harm Cuphead? I don’t know the specifics of piercing damage especially in situations like this.

Todd doesn't scale to the feat Satella posted so it's fine.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Todd doesn't scale to the feat Satella posted so it's fine.

DEADASS?

HOLY CRAP THERES STILL HOPE

 

[Crimsonobu]

DEADASS?

HOLY CRAP THERES STILL HOPE

Not really just informing. He's about to get a CRT today which unfortunately might make it a stomp.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Not really just informing. He's about to get a CRT today which unfortunately might make it a stomp.

You gotta be kidding me…🫩

What’s the CRT looking like…

 

[MrTayman616]

Technically its law manip based fire, so I am unsure if its okay to compare the feat of damaging normal fire with this. Anyways, Todd could just have an AoE fire or ice attack burn/freezes him to a crisp/popsicle here

The way magic overrides law manipulation isn't the same as it's application. The act of "Magic" is, but not the applications themselves.

Fire is just fire magic overall, not some special cannot be affected "law manipulation fire" type of thing.

Todd's stealth mastery requires hiding, not that he'll go invisible in front of you. The map is Level 0 backrooms though, so eh.

Third:

Why does he even have it? He doesn't have "loved by fate" type of statement iirc.

These were perception blitzing her mind you

Not that way.

Emilia is basically aimdodging, except by reading intent. Arrows are fast, but distance is a factor. Not that "Re:Zero characters can dodge blitz level attacks by reading intent".

that feat was performed by an untrained 7 yr old Emilia , pretty much all the profiles scale to it and that IS accepted

Its worth mentioning that because of intuition stuff, Todd will automatically choose the most optimal response, is cuphead prone to SI btw?

Wanna say it to the people she fought there? :d

 

[ARandomDude127]

The way magic overrides law manipulation isn't the same as it's application. The act of "Magic" is, but not the applications themselves.

Fire is just fire magic overall, not some special cannot be affected "law manipulation fire" type of thing.

So it’s just how their magic works, and fire produced by said magic should be free eats for Cuphead’s Danmaku. Got it.

Todd's stealth mastery requires hiding, not that he'll go invisible in front of you. The map is Level 0 backrooms though, so eh.

Phew, though if he still does decided to play stealthily, he’d still struggle with trying to actually harm Cuphead due to his 40x AP advantage, which leads me to my next point

Emilia is basically aimdodging, except by reading intent. Arrows are fast, but distance is a factor. Not that "Re:Zero characters can dodge blitz level attacks by reading intent".

So there’s a good chance that if Cuphead decides to just full the entire room with his Danmaku, Todd’s gonna get hit? One hit is all Cuphead really needs here to reduce him to paste.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Todd's stealth mastery requires hiding, not that he'll go invisible in front of you. The map is Level 0 backrooms though, so eh.

There isn't any indication of it on the profile, nor was it ever explicitly mentioned that he needs to "hide" first. I might be forgetting something, so if that is the case though then do show me a scan

Why does he even have it? He doesn't have "loved by fate" type of statement iirc.

intuition is backed by fate

Not that way.

Emilia is basically aimdodging, except by reading intent. Arrows are fast, but distance is a factor. Not that "Re:Zero characters can dodge blitz level attacks by reading intent".

That's an extrapolation of something that wasn't even mentioned, it did be aim dodging if she could see the path, which as mentioned wouldn't be possible because they were faster than she could see. Either way, it doesn't matter against cuphead though because his are pretty much the same as the arrows except likely lesser in quantity

So it’s just how their magic works, and fire produced by said magic should be free eats for Cuphead’s Danmaku. Got it.

well magic is gonna get upgraded too but thats gonna be later down the line, I dont wanna bog down this thread. Anyways, that still leaves ice magic , and likely this too

Phew, though if he still does decided to play stealthily, he’d still struggle with trying to actually harm Cuphead due to his 40x AP advantage, which leads me to my next point

So there’s a good chance that if Cuphead decides to just full the entire room with his Danmaku, Todd’s gonna get hit? One hit is all Cuphead really needs here to reduce him to paste.

depends how many danmakus he has, also would cuphead go for just filling the room with it?

 

[ARandomDude127]

well magic is gonna get upgraded too but thats gonna be later down the line, I dont wanna bog down this thread. Anyways, that still leaves ice magic , and likely this too

Might be a little eh, but Cuphead’s bullets are able to damage a giant ice-snowflake, best I got ngl. Also the second thing seems like something Todd told someone ELSE to do, plus is there any context as to WHY their head just explodes??

depends how many danmakus he has, also would cuphead go for just filling the room with it?

Cuphead’s Danmaku (especially with Roundabout) is pretty decent, it has a pretty fast firing rate (a little under 4 bullets per second), helps with the fact that Roundabout well, boomerangs around. It looks a little disappointing (mainly cuz it’s in the tutorial area, in actual boss fights it’s much easier to just fill the room with Roundabout) but do note that Cuphead’s Danmaku wouldn’t be as restrictive as it is in-game, due to the fact that Cuphead is in a 3D space and can just fire it all around him. Chaos Orbit still also makes it a pain for him to even get close, and if he fires another Chaos Orbit while already having Chaser projectiles surrounding him, they randomly scatter in different directions.

Also yeah, filling the room w/Roundabout is a pretty common thing with it, it’s pretty much what’s it’s useful for, ESPECIALLY if Cuphead literally can’t see the opponent.

 

[MrTayman616]

There isn't any indication of it on the profile, nor was it ever explicitly mentioned that he needs to "hide" first. I might be forgetting something, so if that is the case though then do show me a scan

Huh? you need to show that he can become invisible in front of a person to claim he can do it. The ability of this divine protection is not invisiblity or kind of stuff but better at being sneaky.

intuition is backed by fate

Not for everyone.

That's an extrapolation of something that wasn't even mentioned, it did be aim dodging if she could see the path, which as mentioned wouldn't be possible because they were faster than she could see. Either way, it doesn't matter against cuphead though because his are pretty much the same as the arrows except likely lesser in quantity

I didn't say that she was aimdodging, rather it was "aimdodging style". Basically aimdodging but reading intent rather than aim.

I don't know if it matters for the matchup as i really don't know anything about the other character :d

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Next tournament i am using Subaru

Then I will bring our true legend, Gobta.... Or just a random FNAF character.

 

[Friedoil11]

Bump

 

[Crimsonobu]

Todd has his new profile if it changes anything

 

[ARandomDude127]

Todd now has Low Godly type 4 Immortality and I HIGHLY doubt that’s gonna really slide in the tournament

 

[Crimsonobu]

Todd now has Low Godly type 4 Immortality and I HIGHLY doubt that’s gonna really slide in the tournament

You gotta be kidding me…🫩

What’s the CRT looking like…

Is he a tier 9 smurf

 

[ARandomDude127]

Is he a tier 9 smurf

Get Todd’s ahh OUTTA here

 

[Friedoil11]

Todd now has Low Godly type 4 Immortality and I HIGHLY doubt that’s gonna really slide in the tournament

In that case, luckily for ARandomDude127 and unluckily for SatellaTheWoE, Todd is disqualified and Cuphead moves on.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

In that case, luckily for ARandomDude127 and unluckily for SatellaTheWoE, Todd is disqualified and Cuphead moves on.

fair enough, though its a possibly rating so we could remove it for this tournament