Brandon Breyer 8-C Revision

[HorrorHistory]

So in the end credits of Brightburn, Brandon destroys an entire office building complex. Looking back at his profile history, I saw that this was originally in the profile but was removed and I don’t know why it was. The same thing can be said for the plane he destroyed (through unknown means) which is also 8-C according here. So shouldn’t his AP be updated to “Large Building level”?

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this.

 

[HorrorHistory]

bump

 

[AThe1412]

That building complex can probably be calculated and will most likely yield something much more impressive than 9-B so I agree that it should be used. The plane feat, however, is vague as in we weren't shown exactly how he destroyed it. He would need to have ripped the entire plane apart to get High 8-C and not just cause it to crash for example since the impact would have the same result of completely destroying it and even 9-B weapons can shoot down a commercial aircraft easily. There's also the fact that these feats take place toward the end of the movie and are much higher than all of his previous showings (If he was High 8-C then his house would have been obliterated when he was flying through it). I agree with something like "9-B, likely High 8-C", or we can give him an EoM Key.

 

[HorrorHistory]

That building complex can probably be calculated and will most likely yield something much more impressive than 9-B so I agree that it should be used.

That’s something I was thinking as well.

The plane feat, however, is vague as in we weren't shown exactly how he destroyed it. He would need to have ripped the entire plane apart to get High 8-C and not just cause it to crash for example since the impact would have the same result of completely destroying it and even 9-B weapons can shoot down a commercial aircraft easily.

I always thought he destroyed the plane by flying into it, but what you said could be correct. He could’ve just used his abilities to make it crash, such as his heat vision.

There's also the fact that these feats take place toward the end of the movie and are much higher than all of his previous showings (If he was High 8-C then his house would have been obliterated when he was flying through it). I agree with something like "9-B, likely High 8-C", or we can give him an EoM Key.

I mean, 9 times out of 10 he wasn’t really trying to kill Tori, but more sort of toying with her to freak her out. Same thing applies that he wants to destroy the world, so he starts by destroying the city and other stuff , but I see what you’re saying. But I do think a whole new key would be a bit much, as he’s still the same, just more violent and eager to fulfill his duty.

 

[TheRustyOne]

You can accomplish all of those feats while being 9-B, that's not what shattering a building with your own power even looks like.

He didn't shatter the entire building with a single attack, he destroyed multiple walls/supports as he flew through it which caused it to collapse via it's own weight.

Could be 9-A at the most, but we don't see the level of destruction he causes to the building, we just see it give out and collapse as he flies out of it.

 

[CitRusReality64]

You can accomplish all of those feats while being 9-B, that's not what shattering a building with your own power even looks like.

He didn't shatter the entire building with a single attack, he destroyed multiple walls/supports as he flew through it which caused it to collapse via it's own weight.

Could be 9-A at the most, but we don't see the level of destruction he causes to the building, we just see it give out and collapse as he flies out of it.

I think this can still be worth calcing

 

[HonestlyBored24]

I would like to point out that the movie uses footage of the Sir John Carling Building’s demolition for Brightburn destroying the building. There was 410 kilograms of dynamite used for the demolition, and doing a bit of math (There were 410000 grams of dynamite, and 4184 joules of energy are released per gram of TNT detonated; dynamite is more powerful than TNT) gives us a yield of 0.41 tons of TNT for the total explosive energy. This should be able to net us a “possibly 8-C” rating for Brendon.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I think this can still be worth calcing

It was calced here.

 

[Cropfist]

I would like to point out that the movie uses footage of the Sir John Carling Building’s demolition for Brightburn destroying the building. There was 410 kilograms of dynamite used for the demolition, and doing a bit of math (There were 410000 grams of dynamite, and 4184 joules of energy are released per gram of TNT detonated; dynamite is more powerful than TNT) gives us a yield of 0.41 tons of TNT for the total explosive energy. This should be able to net us a “possibly 8-C” rating for Brendon.

There is no evidence he "collapsed the support pillars", the building feat faced undue scrutiny for the sake of pointless downplay.

 

[AThe1412]

There is no evidence he "collapsed the support pillars", the building feat faced undue scrutiny for the sake of pointless downplay.

You can accomplish all of those feats while being 9-B, that's not what shattering a building with your own power even looks like.

He didn't shatter the entire building with a single attack, he destroyed multiple walls/supports as he flew through it which caused it to collapse via it's own weight.

Could be 9-A at the most, but we don't see the level of destruction he causes to the building, we just see it give out and collapse as he flies out of it.

 

[CitRusReality64]

It was calced here.

And what do you know, a calc got it higher than 9-B, to 9-A. TheRustyOne's comment is just blatant downplay.

 

[AThe1412]

And what do you know, a calc got it higher than 9-B, to 9-A. TheRustyOne's comment is just blatant downplay.

He literally said and I quoted above:

Could be 9-A at the most, but we don't see the level of destruction he causes to the building, we just see it give out and collapse as he flies out of it.

Also, unevaluated calculation.

 

[CitRusReality64]

He literally said and I quoted above:

As I said I still think the feat is worth calcing. It's pretty blatant

 

[Yanina92]

Isn't this necro too..? Also the feat could've 9-A too, one could just assume or try to get the walls / pillars thickness.

 

[AThe1412]

I would like to point out that the movie uses footage of the Sir John Carling Building’s demolition for Brightburn destroying the building. There was 410 kilograms of dynamite used for the demolition, and doing a bit of math (There were 410000 grams of dynamite, and 4184 joules of energy are released per gram of TNT detonated; dynamite is more powerful than TNT) gives us a yield of 0.41 tons of TNT for the total explosive energy. This should be able to net us a “possibly 8-C” rating for Brendon.

The total explosive energy would apply if all of those explosives all went off at the exact same time which is clearly not the case just by looking at the footage. You're basically assuming that Brandon instantly destroyed all of the walls/supports of the building and causing all of its sections to collapse at once instead of destroying each of them one after the other like the video shows.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Guys Ik this post is dead but ts is valid it should be approved so I'm summoning the mods here

 

[AThe1412]

Guys Ik this post is dead but ts is valid it should be approved so I'm summoning the mods here

 

[Random-Helper323]

This thread has been necroed twice, alternative calculation remains unevaluated, and Rusty raised serious questions about the feat. Tugia says staff are being called in, so I'm happy to let staff take their own looks, but I heavily lean towards closing this thread.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

This thread has been necroed twice, alternative calculation remains unevaluated, and Rusty raised serious questions about the feat. Tugia says staff are being called in, so I'm happy to let staff take their own looks, but I heavily lean towards closing this thread.

ive told one about this thread, sorry for not doing it sooner, ive just been really busy with other stuff

 

[AThe1412]

ive told one about this thread, sorry for not doing it sooner, ive just been really busy with other stuff

All of the arguments for 8-C have been debunked and the calculation that could potentially get him to 9-A has remained unevaluated for an entire year.

 

[Random-Helper323]

ive told one about this thread, sorry for not doing it sooner, ive just been really busy with other stuff

In that case it might be better to close it. Not only would the thread need thread mods and/or admins to look at it, we'd be working with nothing until Calc Group members evaluate the calculation. That being the case, it's probably best that I close this thread, then you and/or other supporters ask Calc Group members to evaluate the calculation and then make a new thread if it gets accepted.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Airplane video is unavailable, the building destruction doesn't seem to have been done in one hit, nor is he just breaking the full building, he's collapsing it. No real way to scale it unless we got a view of the pillars/load-bearing walls and shit holding it up from the inside. Probably would only be like 9-B to 9-A.

I would like to point out that the movie uses footage of the Sir John Carling Building’s demolition for Brightburn destroying the building. There was 410 kilograms of dynamite used for the demolition, and doing a bit of math (There were 410000 grams of dynamite, and 4184 joules of energy are released per gram of TNT detonated; dynamite is more powerful than TNT) gives us a yield of 0.41 tons of TNT for the total explosive energy. This should be able to net us a “possibly 8-C” rating for Brendon.

We wouldn't use this. Even if we did, IRL building demolitions operate, afaik, off of multiple staggered blasts. Functionally the same thing as taking multiple hits.

It was calced here.

This calc sucks. The assumption of proportions is insane. He's assuming the hole is the entire width of the building, at nearly 28 meters. That doesn't make any sense in any capacity. If there are reasonable assumptions by which you would calc this feat, these are not them.

Gun to my head, given the segmented nature of the feat (you can see multiple impacts causing the building to collapse; irl we know this is because of multiple blasts, but in universe seems to suggest these were him striking the support walls), I'd go with the destruction of just one load-bearing wall. So, something like this:

Refactoring the storey height to 3.9 meters (the value given for commercial buildings by Wikipedia) gives us a new room length of 2.87 meters. I actually think it's a little over double this, as from the design of the building, I suspect it's two windows to a room, so I'll include that as a high end.

Thickness of an office building wall is about 30 cm (using average of exterior walls, since he punched through those too).

Volume = 3357900 cm^3 (3.3579 m^3)

High-end volume = 6715800 cm^3 (6.7158 m^3)

4 j/cc * 3357900 cc = 1.343e7 Joules (Wall level+)

4 j/cc * 6715800 cc = 2.686e7 Joules (Small Building level)

While I think the room width used by the high-end here is actually more reasonable, I believe that the assumption of destroying a whole wall is, in of itself, a really big highball and is unlikely. That said, I think this is as close to an ideal as I could get, with the extremely limited information available to us.