A Song of Ice and Fire: Keys Removals for Jaime Lannister and Robert Baratheon

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I propose removing two keys from character profiles, one because it is pointless and the other because it is inaccurate.

1. Jaime Lannister

Jaime Lannister has two keys: "Two hands" and "After losing his hand". The second key refers to Jaime losing his right hand later in the story, his sword skill level has reset to zero because he is right-handed and he's trying to regain his exceptional skill from before by training with his left hand.

This key is pointless and should be removed, as it only affects the character's skill, not his strength, speed, or stamina. The character retains the same stats as before.

2. Robert Baratheon

Robert Baratheon has two keys: "Prime" and "Post-Greyjoy's Rebellion". The second key refers to Robert who went several years without training and gorged himself on food and alcohol, losing his muscular physique and becoming fat.

This key is inaccurate and should be removed, given that even after losing his athletic physique, Robert has always shown himself to be as strong as before.
Even drunk, he easily pushed Jaime Lannister, fully armored, to the ground, and it's implied that Robert could still lift and fight with his warhammer since he was about to do so.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[ItsMeat]

Disagree, for vs battles the differences are pretty big, especially in jaime's case

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Disagree, for vs battles the differences are pretty big, especially in jaime's case

One-handed Jaime will not be used in versus thread in most cases tbh.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Bump

 

[Hellbeast]

Agreed with Jaime but disagree for Robert

His entire narrative is he’s old and fat and out of his prime, at the very least he’s far lesss skilled then before and I’d argue him being willing to use his hammer is his own arrogance talking

 

[Random-Helper323]

Older Robert still has at least some of his strength but not his speed, dexterity or stamina, so I'd have to disagree here.

As for Jaime, his lost hand means he has lost much of his strength, his dexterity, most of his conditioning...

I think these two keys should stay, to be honest. Both would get stomped by their stronger self. Jaime in particular would get stomped by enemies his stronger self would be stomping. There's enough difference to justify the keys, and the weaker keys have both plot significance and are the way the character is for a significant stretch of the story.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Agreed with Jaime but disagree for Robert

His entire narrative is he’s old and fat and out of his prime, at the very least he’s far lesss skilled then before and I’d argue him being willing to use his hammer is his own arrogance talking

Older Robert still has at least some of his strength but not his speed, dexterity or stamina, so I'd have to disagree here.

As for Jaime, his lost hand means he has lost much of his strength, his dexterity, most of his conditioning...

I think these two keys should stay, to be honest. Both would get stomped by their stronger self. Jaime in particular would get stomped by enemies his stronger self would be stomping. There's enough difference to justify the keys, and the weaker keys have both plot significance and are the way the character is for a significant stretch of the story.

Yes, but almost no one will ever use these keys in versus threads. From a powerscaling and versus battles perspective, they are pointless.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Yes, but almost no one will ever use these keys in versus threads. From a powerscaling and versus battles perspective, they are pointless.

Many characters have multiple keys that are all the same, and it's not reasonable to not index the version of the character that is what they are for much or most of the time we know them, as is the case here.

 

[AThe1412]

Yes, but almost no one will ever use these keys in versus threads. From a powerscaling and versus battles perspective, they are pointless.

Want me to prove you wrong?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Want me to prove you wrong?

Yes, but I haven't updated their pages to 9-B yet.