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Hank also can do it in MPN 2 too, iirc
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Madness Combat Discussion Thread: Redeemer
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the skill is replaced with having bullets fall to the ground harmlessly in MPN2, not full on deflections iirc.
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Excellent. And since that's a skill you unlock, we know it's intentional direction instead of, say, just really lucky deflection.
This link's broken for me.
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Wait, I checked now. Yes, he just blocks them
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Not in MPN 2, though. Only Nexus Scouts, Jorge and some other units can do it
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You're making the skill blog, you tell us! But I suppose all Sweet Spot users do (instead of that being Power Null like we went over earlier). It bypasses the Tac-Bar/Ultra Instinct Lite, which can dodge homing attacks etc.
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Anyone who has a precision shot or sweet spot should have some level of Analytical Prediction, so not everyone. Several characters will completely lack that ability.
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Still a lot of characters will scale to it. I mean, even AAHW's Grunts and Agents can do it
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They don't in MPN2 though. I'm more incline to believe they don't have it because they lost the ability in the sequel then to say they suddenly got worse in canon to lose the ability later on
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Yeah that's the technical reason but in-universe that doesn't make sense. It makes more sense that they don't have it since their more modern depiction completely removes it, especially since they've never shown such competency in the main series. Hell MPN2 contradicts Grunts having that ability since they're supposed to be more or less completely unskilled in combat.
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I want to point out that these are specifically AAHW grunts, Random Grunts having such skills obviously makes zero sense
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AAHW grunts are the ones who are described as being completely useless and skill-less.
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When? That one Dossier description wasn't specifically mentioning AAHW from what I recall
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The dossier description is for the AAHW Grunts, why wouldn't it be describing the character it's attached to?
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Also, it mentions this in the context of their S-3LFs, meaning that they fundamentally lack of these emotions + plus it adds more into S-3LFs connection with consciousness
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Interestingly, TacBars could protect against melee attacks, but that was removed in PN2
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MP2 had those sniper fodder enemies and some others with Sweet Shots even outside the boss fights. I know they're described comedically and tend to die quickly, but they are against skill-monsters and occasionally bullet-deflect in the animations.
Nah, it's nothing that esoteric or emotion-incapable, they just don't have many hobbies or whatever. They clearly emote in the animations and PN2; remember them angrily calling out the protags on occasion and fleeing in terror at the end of one of the last missions?
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The standing army of the AAHW serves as the military arm of the Auditor. While this marriage of war and demigod is looked down on by the other higher spirits, the Auditor views it as the only way to press down the error that is Hank. Their minds are built with intent and cleaned of defects like...
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It is possibly inconsistencies and even in MPN 2 they act themselves EXTREMELY fanatical, especially when compared to Nexus Core Agents
There is definitely a degree of mind stuff
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Anyway, I do agree Grunts having it is ridiculous, however I think ATP Soldats having AP is fine for example, since we literally see them occasionally tagging Protagonists even in the main series
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Btw i updated the verse page with all the missing profiles that were made.
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Added transparent renders for these characters;
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sleepwalker_Patients (G03LM variant)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sleepwalker_Patients (G03LM variant)
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I should add sources on all of these. Also acrobatics needs to be removed since just being able to jump high isn't considered to be acrobatics anymore
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Also i'm probably going to downgrade all the 9-As that scale to 1-3 Hank, (at least the ones that don't have reason to, such as the fodder who never meet 1-3 hank) cuz lowkey living hofnarr doesn't scale to hank at all. I have a 9-B calc they can fall back on though.
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This is fair, though I think someone like Soldats should reasonably scale
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I guess i wouldn't hate keeping them at 9-A, but at the same time the only way they reasonably scale to Pre-Blow-yourself-up Hank is through Hofnarr.
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They are programmed and genetically enhanced Supersoldiers who are even shown to be able somewhat match later versions of characters, I think them scaling to earlier Hank (who likely doesn't even have Tac Bars which they do) is fine
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So characters who are going to receive AP:
MPN2 Arena Protagonist
MPNC Arena Protagonist
Sanford (he even has a direct statement that complements his feats and to which most of major characters will reasonably scale)
Deimos
Sheriff (iirc, he can shoot through tac bars and arguably scales to Sanford)
Hank
Christoff
ATP Soldat
Nexus Scout
N51 Overwartch
MERC Sniper
MERC Captain (iirc, he can shoot through tac bars, Also if I recall correctly Sarge can do it too)
Jorge
I guess Crackpot
Arguably other Towers or at least Blackguard (since they all likely scale to Jorge who is a former Tower Guard)
Likely Poltergeist (since he can hit you through tac bar which can avoid even dissonant reality)
Unless I forgot, Ghoul is also able to aim to bypass Tac Bars
MPN2 Arena Protagonist
MPNC Arena Protagonist
Sanford (he even has a direct statement that complements his feats and to which most of major characters will reasonably scale)
Deimos
Sheriff (iirc, he can shoot through tac bars and arguably scales to Sanford)
Hank
Christoff
ATP Soldat
Nexus Scout
N51 Overwartch
MERC Sniper
MERC Captain (iirc, he can shoot through tac bars, Also if I recall correctly Sarge can do it too)
Jorge
I guess Crackpot
Arguably other Towers or at least Blackguard (since they all likely scale to Jorge who is a former Tower Guard)
Likely Poltergeist (since he can hit you through tac bar which can avoid even dissonant reality)
Unless I forgot, Ghoul is also able to aim to bypass Tac Bars
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I wouldn't give them that just off the fact Jorge has it. Both Church and Jorge is their own league and i'm fairly certain they're above average in terms of G03LMs.
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And Phobos
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You mean with regards to melee? Well, let's review. Sweet Shot projectiles are IA because despite being smaller than non-SS projectiles you can Tac-Bar against (even homing ones) while standing in place, SSs bypass the Tac-Bar altogether even when it's full and you have nothing else preoccupying you, instead of draining it down. IIRC in PNC normal melee attacks do get dodged by the Tac-Bar as you stand in place but drain it like non-SS projectiles do, and even getting grabbed drains the Tac-Bar as opposed to bypassing it entirely. Maybe there are melee attacks that do bypass the Tac-Bar in PNC, though.
But then there's the matter of PN2 melee bypassing the Tac-Bar. Well, there is some internal consistency, since even the best reflexes imaginable can do only so much if you're being swarmed or let someone get right up to you, like how Neo from The Matrix can dodge bullets all day even with his feet rooted but in melee sometimes has to stop standing in place and/or block instead of dodging while standing in place if he's got enough thrown at him all at once. And how you have to dash/dive with good timing (since you're still being tracked) to dodge Sweet Shots instead of Tac-Bar dodging it with your feet rooted in place in both PNC & PN2. Yet PN2 being more balanced than the more OP PNC one is hard to parse in diagetic terms.
I would write off one or the other as game mechanics (maybe not on the whole but at least in categories) instead of giving every PN2 melee attacker (including zombies!) Info Analysis; even AAWH Grunts having IA via Sweet Shots in PNC makes more sense than Zeds having IA for ignoring the Tac-Bar when they grab you in PN2.
By the way, the links to videos you uploaded earlier aren't working anymore, at least not for me. Must be a Fandom website thing. You might have to upload them somewhere else, such as YouTube.
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