Devil May Cry Anime show Discussion Thread

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

Wow you discovered a new concept. However this is DMC netflix and a lot of the fans say this isnt great so yeah that job isn't done well. Some say its good ok, but it shows the discourse. And yeah no shit but they need fan feedback too. DMC 2 almost killed the franchise and got lucky thx to itsuno. Even if it does make new fans that doesn't magically mean its great.

You do know if you say dmc 5 is bad then u kinda ignore a lot of the franchise DMC 3 especially....even without those its fine but its an accumulation of the series. You don't need to know everything, but its very clear and doesn't contradict itself.

Maybe but its supporting material so it was always incomplete regardless.

Again no point saying the games have bad story to defend it. Anyone can like DMC netflix. Just don't go about the games as if you do know about it.

I did Watched it all, even without the dmc problems its so underwhelming as a standalone.

Since i'm here I'll say this

Season 1: It's lady may cry. She is insufferable and flip flops too much like crazy, backstabbing dante and the like. White rabbit is not great either and Dante feels too much in the background (also music choices are ass. Remixing a theme for another character and making a worse version.) Also demons like agni and rudra are now mid.

I was giving it some leeway since its the opening season but its wack. Only 2 episodes where good (the first two) then animation and story wise it fell off.

Season 2: ** all it gets worse. While lady IS an improvement (From insufferable dummy to just dummy...upgrade people) and great opening...that's it. Vergil fights more like Dante than Dante. Both barely use their projectile weapons (Vergil is a better gunslinger than Dante for crying out loud). Jackpot is used horribly more as a gag. Argosax is super mid now. Dante and Lady in here have ZERO chemistry and Adi had no balls for them to show us they banged cuz that would salvaged SOMETHING out of that romance (I mean Lady's zipper was holding for dear life). Bury the light is...massacred...its not hate of the vocalist its just the direction is so underwhelming it hurts. Dante's powers are more random cuz he could DT in season 1 so HTF he forgot. Virgin (not calling him Vergil) runs a way a lot more and trauma dumps on ANYONE. For the Sons of Sparda they are hilariously outmatched a lot. Also Vergil flip flops about humans and mama (calling them weak and blah blah but was like: No mama!), doesn't even question Mundus's talking points even ONCE like with his father and how he was a super deadbeat (despite: Check your sources. It's cuz he made it the ** up). I have to complain on the "if our positions were switch" line cuz it's contextual in the games as Vergil's human side watched on and realized his problem while this? Feels random.

Animation got an upgrade too...that's it. I still hate the normal af DT from season 1 and the lost of their MAIN weapons.

Overall. I rather take DMC 2 and reboot stories cuz they were either dumbass funny at times yet characterized better (reboot at least showed how Dante and Vergil had their own strengths and weaknesses and used ALL their arsenal in the final fight) or painfully simple and mid yet less contradictions (DMC 2 at least is just simple as hell with a few hiccups at the end) or weak as this. Straight up I can't see Dante NOR Vergil as badass even without DMC knowledge cuz of how many Ls they took or I can't feel their growth at all.

A bunch of "fans" on the internet said it's bad, then you have millions more who say it's good. Rate it highly on sites, came back to watch second season, spent their hard earned money to buy the games. Wow, I wonder who Capcom and Netflix will listen to. Really tough decision.

You don't need to "ignore" much of the franchise to see that DMC5's plot isn't all that good. Same for the characterization. Like seriously, it's plain as day. Read Visions of V and see its characterization of V in just what 12 or so chapters compared to the hours of cutscenes of DMC5. One is done far better than the other because one has far better writing than the other.

Anyway, a lot of what you typed here is rambling and disconnected.

 

[Theglassman12]

Gotta love the quotation marks on fans, really says a lot that you don’t consider people who sees Adi Shankar’s fanfic as god awful to be real fans of the series.

Also by your own standards, you’re one of the rare few people that remotely says DMC 5’s story is bad while everyone else under the sun genuinely loves the story and rates it highly while complimenting on how Nero’s been characterized and became a perfect next generation demon hunter so your opinion means Jack shit to Capcom since they’ll listen to the majority.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

This franchise should had died after DMC5

 

[Huesito88]

This franchise should had died after DMC5

But then no POC or NDMC

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

A bunch of "fans" on the internet said it's bad, then you have millions more who say it's good. Rate it highly on sites, came back to watch second season, spent their hard earned money to buy the games. Wow, I wonder who Capcom and Netflix will listen to. Really tough decision.

You don't need to "ignore" much of the franchise to see that DMC5's plot isn't all that good. Same for the characterization. Like seriously, it's plain as day. Read Visions of V and see its characterization of V in just what 12 or so chapters compared to the hours of cutscenes of DMC5. One is done far better than the other because one has far better writing than the other.

Anyway, a lot of what you typed here is rambling and disconnected.

Wow it's almost like they played the games and looked. The "fans" from netflix really have a skill issue with the games if they have to shit on the games thinking it makes netflix look better.

I'm not blind. I read that thing ages ago. Point is you are ignoring the other parts just to say its bad and would ahve to ignore DMC 3 which you claim is good. Because idk man its about the FINAL BOSS AND RIVAL of DMC 3. And as glass pointed out, honestly you gave essentially a hot take so insane I honestly think you were in a parallel universe playing Inverse May Cry 5 Instead on Temu.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

But then no POC or NDMC

Probably your content to enjoy, not mine

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

He just strawmanned the word "engagement" when I used it to mean something else entirely under different context.

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

Wow it's almost like they played the games and looked. The "fans" from netflix really have a skill issue with the games if they have to shit on the games thinking it makes netflix look better.

I'm not blind. I read that thing ages ago. Point is you are ignoring the other parts just to say its bad and would ahve to ignore DMC 3 which you claim is good. Because idk man its about the FINAL BOSS AND RIVAL of DMC 3. And as glass pointed out, honestly you gave essentially a hot take so insane I honestly think you were in a parallel universe playing Inverse May Cry 5 Instead on Temu.

I don't think the "fans" of the Netflix show are ******** on the games, they went and bought it in millions in the past year.

What parts am I ignoring? I mean you can go to the history of my posts in this thread. I already talked about each game. Are we supposed to latch on to DMC3's narrative in perpetuity? It's better than the other games, it's not particularly great. Are we supposed to keep talking about it even though we have multiple games after that?

Perhaps the final boss of DMC3 didn't need to come back in the method he did? Perhaps his characterization and motivations are fairly hollow? Perhaps the narrative isn't great as a direct follow up from DMC3 > 4 > 5?

Gotta love the quotation marks on fans, really says a lot that you don’t consider people who sees Adi Shankar’s fanfic as god awful to be real fans of the series.

Also by your own standards, you’re one of the rare few people that remotely says DMC 5’s story is bad while everyone else under the sun genuinely loves the story and rates it highly while complimenting on how Nero’s been characterized and became a perfect next generation demon hunter so your opinion means Jack shit to Capcom since they’ll listen to the majority.

Am I rare? You can just google it, you're on the internet. You don't see anyone praise the story and whenever anyone tries analyzing it, they're fairly critical of it because it isn't good.
Also, I put fans in quotation marks because people who go on the internet to cry about something aren't anymore fans than those who go on the internet to praise it. Don't pretend they're "real fans". We won't do this same song and dance again when "fans" were crying about the reboot while Itsuno and co. really liked it and introduced elements from it directly from it to DMC5.

Yes, Nero has better characterization than Dante, that's correct because he's a better character than him now. You're going back to square one. Why is Dante a flat 2D character? Why is Vergil kind of lame to the point that a comic is necessary to characterize him better than the game he's a protagonist and antagonist of?

Yea sure, Capcom will listen to the majority. It's why they've been pushing and praising the anime so much lol.

 

[Theglassman12]

If it's that bad and easy to critique then by all means show me some examples that aren't from blatant rage bait youtuber who clearly don't know what the **** they're talking about, because I've seen multiple DMC 5 videos that try to critique the story and they clearly didn't pay any attention to the narrative.

Ah yes, the "fans" who got upset that a reboot that did not need to happen was made when people were asking for Capcom to FINISH DMC 4. Totally the same situation here.

 

[Tanin_iver]

Ok, guys I think this is slowly turning into a mudslinging contest.

@WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces you can like Makaian May Cry by not ******** on the OG series and fans. I know you are here primarily to index MMC.
So please stick to that rather than ******** on DMC. Try to get on friendly terms with everyone instead of getting into comparisons.
Let people warm up to you and actually help you on your quest.

And the rest of you also need to chill out, and stop beating him up.

 

[Huesito88]

And the rest of you also need to chill out, and stop beating him up.

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

If it's that bad and easy to critique then by all means show me some examples that aren't from blatant rage bait youtuber who clearly don't know what the **** they're talking about, because I've seen multiple DMC 5 videos that try to critique the story and they clearly didn't pay any attention to the narrative.

Ah yes, the "fans" who got upset that a reboot that did not need to happen was made when people were asking for Capcom to FINISH DMC 4. Totally the same situation here.

You can read my comments that I posted in the past few pages. Seriously, why do you need a YouTuber to feed you opinions?

 

[Theglassman12]

So you can’t actually back up your points on DMC 5 having a bad narrative that’s widely accepted by a majority of fans then, good to know you can’t argue much here so I’m just moving on from this conversation

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

So you can’t actually back up your points on DMC 5 having a bad narrative that’s widely accepted by a majority of fans then, good to know you can’t argue much here so I’m just moving on from this conversation

No offense, but what are you talking about? Do you think when someone makes an argument about media, they need to post some random person's YouTube video instead of using their own words? What do you think an argument is?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Arguements are arguements no matter where they come from as long as they have merit in using. Idk why you are acting as if he is doing something preposterous.

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

Arguements are arguements no matter where they come from as long as they have merit in using. Idk why you are acting as if he is doing something preposterous.

Is this a response to me or someone else?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

you

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

you

Is there a reason you aren't quoting the actual post?

In any case, what is your opposition here then? He's using ad populum, even incorrectly, by pretending that DMC5 has a narrative that's good because " that’s widely accepted by a majority of fans ". Then before that saying I should include some YouTubers in my post as if that's relevant to my post.

I'm wondering what your own post is there for? What are you actually responding to? Be clear.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

They say its hard to argue with someone smart but its impossible to argue with someone... that likes the netflix show.

Anyways why don't you stop the useless bickering now and move on to make changes to the pages. The netflix guy can focus on getting calcs for the abomination and the others can help me out finish the freaking CD plot hax stuff.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

easy to comment without quotes, especially with only two or few people talking at a time, I'll quote if needed.

You yourself appealed to popularity for NDMC by bringing up viewership and game sales, as metric of liking, despite the anime being largely hated or uncared for at best by majority fandom, proved by fan passion. the debate we had over fan content as indicator.
On flipside you claimed DMC5 and OG DMC at large had weak story, despite large population liking it for good merit(1 proof of which is many YT have made essays for). And now you are using ad populum fallacy when we point out the hypocisy of the arguement.

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

easy to comment without quotes, especially with only two or few people talking at a time, I'll quote if needed.

You yourself appealed to popularity for NDMC by bringing up viewership and game sales, as metric of liking, despite the anime being largely hated or uncared for at best by majority fandom, proved by fan passion. the debate we had over fan content as indicator.
On flipside you claimed DMC5 and OG DMC at large had weak story, despite large population liking it for good merit(1 proof of which is many YT have made essays for). And now you are using ad populum fallacy when we point out the hypocisy of the arguement.

It is easy to quote the person and/or people you're responding to. Do so, so they are aware about who and what you're talking about. You've been on the forum long enough.

These are literally two different arguments lol.

You and I were arguing about popularity, hence, one explicitly need to objective metrics to back up popularity of the show. You then tried shifting this to "passion" which is subjective, something you can't actually put numbers to like popularity. Then when examples of multiple franchise were brought up not fitting your narrative about that, you just bowed out of the debate.

I and the other guy were arguing about "quality" of the "narrative" of DMC5 which is a completely different thing than whether Netflix DMC is actually popular. He now demands I bring up YouTube videos of people who aren't detractors to support my argument, which is not very smart. I don't really need random YouTubers that he agrees on to support my argument, nor do I need an ad populum fallacy for this argument. Think about it for a second.
I go: This narrative isn't good here are reasons why.
He goes: But but you didn't post YouTubers I liked saying the same thing.

YouTubers are neither god nor an authority on anything we've discussed here.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

If "the fans" (as opposed to some ill-advised "modern audience" expansion) ackshually enjoy Shankar's kultur-terror -- borderline-schizophrenic re-re-recap exposition in the same episodes, muh "American Idiot" montage with demons as sadge Middle-Easterners (what a reductive and oafish insult in so many directions!), a general air of cynical smugness, etc -- then "the fans" are tasteless omnivores who aren't likely to be persuaded into better taste. Maybe that's even "fine and valid," y'know, when they aren't going out of their way to be jerks to others. Me, I'll take some fine shonen pulp romps with trimmings of gothic/cosmic-horror aesthetics and family disputes like in real DMC, even if it ain't quite Ingmar Bergman in terms of characterization and drama.

But beyond that, all this fretting from multiple sides over what the majority of fans think and who's a fan and who's not a fan and if the fan/fakefan shares the same opinyun as the creator and if the creator is absolute and what will the Capcom Gods do next and -- yuck! Why do this to yourselves? Surely it'd be healthier to like/dislike XYZ and move on. Or at least just focus on assessing the quality of the work; no, smuggling assertions via "Why oh why is it the definitely-uncontestable case that [dubious statement assumed by the framing to be true]?" doesn't count.

 

[Theglassman12]

Hey Freeman, long time no see. how's things been?

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Hey Freeman, long time no see. how's things been?

Doin' good, lot to juggle irl but commenting on the forum every now and then has been fun. Hope all good's for you, too!

Completely irrelevant to this thread, but a while ago you asked me about that one part in Michael Mann's movie Heat about Kilmer's character's wife being angry with him yet covering for him when the cops tried to set a trap. I didn't really answer since the movie wasn't fresh on my mind, but I do think that was realistic, yeah. Lots of relationships can have drama, even as the baseline, but still too much past for them to want to sever entirely when the chips are down and it's time to make that call with finality. Goes for several characters regarding several people and/or goals in that movie.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

 

[Huesito88]

Was that some coded message?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Was that some coded message?

 

[Theglassman12]

@Follow_Doctor_Freeman Fair enough on the Heat stuff, still wished they expanded more on their relationship beyond what we see.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Follow_Doctor_Freeman Fair enough on the Heat stuff, still wished they expanded more on their relationship beyond what we see.

There is a prequel book written (and aiming to be adapted) by Mann, but I haven't checked it out yet. I think the general sketches get the job done well, but maybe "Heat 2" has interesting details. Though it's all more of a larger-than-life dramatic than truly realistically dramatic, even if the direction is super tactile and immersive at times.

I'm derailing the thread though, will catch up with ya another time. Also heya, Redgrave, if you're still here.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

That women feels like classic trope of bad boy chaser, she was even cheating on him in start of movie until De Niro caught her, but she also saves her husbands ass in the end. Would have definitely loved more expansion.

 

[Huesito88]

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

They say its hard to argue with someone smart but its impossible to argue with someone... that likes the netflix show.

Honestly the fact that this is the smartest thing you said at all and with how this is...I can only I'll give Tony some praises for saying something smart.

If "the fans" (as opposed to some ill-advised "modern audience" expansion) ackshually enjoy Shankar's kultur-terror -- borderline-schizophrenic re-re-recap exposition in the same episodes, muh "American Idiot" montage with demons as sadge Middle-Easterners (what a reductive and oafish insult in so many directions!), a general air of cynical smugness, etc -- then "the fans" are tasteless omnivores who aren't likely to be persuaded into better taste. Maybe that's even "fine and valid," y'know, when they aren't going out of their way to be jerks to others. Me, I'll take some fine shonen pulp romps with trimmings of gothic/cosmic-horror aesthetics and family disputes like in real DMC, even if it ain't quite Ingmar Bergman in terms of characterization and drama.

But beyond that, all this fretting from multiple sides over what the majority of fans think and who's a fan and who's not a fan and if the fan/fakefan shares the same opinyun as the creator and if the creator is absolute and what will the Capcom Gods do next and -- yuck! Why do this to yourselves? Surely it'd be healthier to like/dislike XYZ and move on. Or at least just focus on assessing the quality of the work; no, smuggling assertions via "Why oh why is it the definitely-uncontestable case that [dubious statement assumed by the framing to be true]?" doesn't count.

I honestly have no idea why they even made those things comparable. Ok demons are not all evil is one thing but making it way to obviously war on terror allegory is dumb. It doesn't make you look intellectual or anything, it's just weird af.

But hey freeman what's up.

 

[NikHelton]

The second season turned out to be very good and made good on all the mistakes of the first season. Yes, we have a lot of dumb moments, like the military capturing Vergil without preparing ammunition and rage-baiting him instead of neutralizing him; or Arius allowing Vergil to perform live on air, then suddenly getting offended when Vergil leaked information about him; or when the psychologist tries to prevent Dante from fighting Vergil, claiming that Dante hasn't worked through his injuries (I'm sincerely convinced that psychology has been actively promoted in the media since 2015).

But otherwise, the series is good. Dante is very interesting to watch. His drama with Vergil touched my heart. Dante and Lady have great chemistry, and I squealed like a little girl at a BTS concert when Dante and Lady kissed and slept together, especially when it all happens to "My Immortal." Absolute Cinema, gentlemen. Although, of course, Lady acted like a typical woman at the end of the series with their "We need to break up, it's better for both of us, it's not about you, you're too good."
The fight scenes this season are incredibly good. By the way, the characters are now moving to 7 tiers and Hypersonic, as I understand it.

The music undoubtedly deserves the highest praise. Of course, I expected an opening in the style of the first part, and the second opening was less expressive, but damn, they ADDED EVANESCENCE TO THEIR SHOW.

I don't understand the guy above's complaint about "Jackpot" and how it was turned into a joke. It was always a joke, and other characters commented on how stupid it sounded.

Honestly, my eye twitches every time I read bad reviews and mentions of refugees from the East. It feels like people have been chanting the opinions of YouTube bloggers since last year and don't want to formulate their own. Not only is this theme not prominent and present in this season, but the whole concept adds ambiguity to the story. Mundus in the games was simply an Evil Boss. In the show, Mundus manipulates Vergil, kills Dante and Vergil's mother, lies, and wants to invade Earth, but remains a complex character due to his admission of his mistakes, his attitude toward Sparda and Vergil, and the fact that he literally saved Hell from the insane Satan-Argosax. Who ever said Argosax in the show was bland? Compare his utterly boring game version with the show's concept, where he was willing to share a body with a mortal who had lived 28 lives to resurrect him, and they felt like one.

Fans just need to accept that this is an adaptation, not a full-blown adaptation. Moreover, Season 2 looks much more canonical.

 

[Netoriman]

The second season turned out to be very good and made good on all the mistakes of the first season. Yes, we have a lot of dumb moments, like the military capturing Vergil without preparing ammunition and rage-baiting him instead of neutralizing him; or Arius allowing Vergil to perform live on air, then suddenly getting offended when Vergil leaked information about him; or when the psychologist tries to prevent Dante from fighting Vergil, claiming that Dante hasn't worked through his injuries (I'm sincerely convinced that psychology has been actively promoted in the media since 2015).

But otherwise, the series is good. Dante is very interesting to watch. His drama with Vergil touched my heart. Dante and Lady have great chemistry, and I squealed like a little girl at a BTS concert when Dante and Lady kissed and slept together, especially when it all happens to "My Immortal." Absolute Cinema, gentlemen. Although, of course, Lady acted like a typical woman at the end of the series with their "We need to break up, it's better for both of us, it's not about you, you're too good."
The fight scenes this season are incredibly good. By the way, the characters are now moving to 7 tiers and Hypersonic, as I understand it.

The music undoubtedly deserves the highest praise. Of course, I expected an opening in the style of the first part, and the second opening was less expressive, but damn, they ADDED EVANESCENCE TO THEIR SHOW.

I don't understand the guy above's complaint about "Jackpot" and how it was turned into a joke. It was always a joke, and other characters commented on how stupid it sounded.

Honestly, my eye twitches every time I read bad reviews and mentions of refugees from the East. It feels like people have been chanting the opinions of YouTube bloggers since last year and don't want to formulate their own. Not only is this theme not prominent and present in this season, but the whole concept adds ambiguity to the story. Mundus in the games was simply an Evil Boss. In the show, Mundus manipulates Vergil, kills Dante and Vergil's mother, lies, and wants to invade Earth, but remains a complex character due to his admission of his mistakes, his attitude toward Sparda and Vergil, and the fact that he literally saved Hell from the insane Satan-Argosax. Who ever said Argosax in the show was bland? Compare his utterly boring game version with the show's concept, where he was willing to share a body with a mortal who had lived 28 lives to resurrect him, and they felt like one.

Fans just need to accept that this is an adaptation, not a full-blown adaptation. Moreover, Season 2 looks much more canonical.

I'm so happy Shankar's work touched you that way, I can only pray he gets a hold of Tokyo Ghoul in the same fashion he did with DMC after he blesses Berserk.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Honestly the mistake some people do is expect it to be 1:1 to the games, the moment the 1st season trailer shown more of the demons from a bunch of different games being there it was clear being its own thing

Also one thing I noticed, only those being very deep into the lore and characters dont like it so much, like most individuals here or those like that channel all about DMC that copes DMC6 will happen

There is a youtube channel who reacts to the netflix show (as well as many others show or animes) and they played the games too, they voiced out stuff they didnt like, but overall they enjoyed it and said you cant just expect 1:1 adaptations, most media overall adapted in an animated show or live action movie in some cases wont be adapted the same way animes try for mangas or novels

Some said you cant think of it as its own thing cuz its getting stuff from the original, its just never meant to be like the original and same went for reboot, you simply gotta accept it as its own thing

 

[NikHelton]

I'm so happy Shankar's work touched you that way, I can only pray he gets a hold of Tokyo Ghoul in the same fashion he did with DMC after he blesses Berserk.

Bro, considering what the Pierrottes did with the ghoul adaptation, a Netflix adaptation would be a blessing. That's not to mention Re has a ton of problems, like dozens of loose ends, a blurred moral compass, and the happy ending of Tsukiyama, whose family sold people and kidnapped children. And the fact that Ui, who sent 13-year-old orphan soldiers to the slaughter, became a war hero. Frankly, a 1:1 adaptation of Re wouldn't do the project any favors or address its shortcomings.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Fans just need to accept that this is an adaptation, not a full-blown adaptation. Moreover, Season 2 looks much more canonical.

I mean that isn't really a problem but um...



This tweet says its an Adi Shankar animation which meant its suppose to be close to the original.

Here's the full quote:

• Bootleg Universe – where I remix, reinterpret, and intentionally take bold liberties and subvert existing IPs.

• Adi Shankar Animation – where I play things straight, honoring the source material’s core essence.

Captain Laserhawk was developed under Bootleg Universe. The entire series was designed as a pastiche—a commentary on the toy commercials and pop culture saturation I grew up with. Every character reinterpretation, including Pagan Min, was deliberate and served that remix ethos.

By contrast, Devil May Cry falls under Adi Shankar Animation, where fidelity to the original spirit of the IP guides every creative decision.

Different brands. Different missions. Both intentional.

...And honestly there are WAY too many changes to even make it close to the original.

So it feels like false advertising too. It would have been better to be in his bootleg universe.

Also wtf do you mean season 2 is more canonical now?

I don't understand the guy above's complaint about "Jackpot" and how it was turned into a joke. It was always a joke, and other characters commented on how stupid it sounded.

It's more to how it was used.

DMC 1 used it at the start to explain his target. The other was the finale.

DMC 3 is towards arkham but...it was also to reflect how the brother's interacted before their seperation.

DMC 5 he used it to check if Vergil was Urizen and did it to annoy Vergil AFTER a non-serious situation (Ik how it looks but those demons were not beating the sparda bois and they were more busy with each other).

It just doesn't feel like it was used right in the show. Maybe when Dante switched the arcana's but the other one was just there for a DMC 5 easter egg since the brothers don't really spend enough time together in contrast to the easter egg is referencing.

Who ever said Argosax in the show was bland? Compare his utterly boring game version with the show's concept, where he was willing to share a body with a mortal who had lived 28 lives to resurrect him, and they felt like one.

I mean he's generic. I felt his design was at least unique, an actual primordial force of nature in the games that doesn't talk and just destroys and warps like a legion demon. I won't say its masterclass or amazing mine you, I just...seen Netflix Argosax's design a little bit more generic than I would have liked. Kinda looks like a big satan or something.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Mundus in the games was simply an Evil Boss

There's a recurring symptom in defending something like NDMC: diminishing the original work to make the adaptation seem good in some aspect.

Mundus was also a manipulator in the original story, also a schemer who orchestrated Eva's murder, also a tyrant who went to war with Argosax, but his methods and portrayal were intentionally much less "human," conceptually linked to the inherent evil of the demons in Devil May Cry.

The humanization of the "Makaians" is the kind of change someone unfamiliar with DMC would propose or defend, as it breaks the series' own theme about what differentiates humans and demons and what made Dante be the demon capable of "shedding tears for those he cares about"

The eldritch-toned and abstract depiction of the OG demon kings was far more interesting than the netflix series attempted to portray, and most of all it was intentional, we have villains in DMC that are different from the "evil boss" persona (Like Arkham and Sanctus), but Mundus, though ? He doesn't believe that anyone else should even be a person. He doesn't manipulate Vergil, he strips him of his will and identity to create Nelo Angelo, not because he has to (He could control Nightmare without such effort), but because he looks down upon Vergil. Mundus did it because he detested Vergil's sense of self. He did it out of pure cruelty, and that's what a OG DMC Demon King should always be: schemer, manipulator, tyrant, eldritch, conceptually evil, and entity which is simply incompatible with human values or methods

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Honestly the mistake some people do is expect it to be 1:1 to the games, the moment the 1st season trailer shown more of the demons from a bunch of different games being there it was clear being its own thing

Also one thing I noticed, only those being very deep into the lore and characters dont like it so much, like most individuals here or those like that channel all about DMC that copes DMC6 will happen

There is a youtube channel who reacts to the netflix show (as well as many others show or animes) and they played the games too, they voiced out stuff they didnt like, but overall they enjoyed it and said you cant just expect 1:1 adaptations, most media overall adapted in an animated show or live action movie in some cases wont be adapted the same way animes try for mangas or novels

Some said you cant think of it as its own thing cuz its getting stuff from the original, its just never meant to be like the original and same went for reboot, you simply gotta accept it as its own thing

You can be your own thing but it means nothing if it doesn't tries to match the quality of the original series or atleast have similar themes in relation to it.

As for our case? We are cooked from every sense of the word.

 

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Tokyo Ghoul

Would be a massive improvement. Tokyo Ghoul was a garbage anime. On top of that, with the exception of the last two Berserk movies and certain parts of the 90s Berserk show, a lot of them have been garbage too. Latest adaptation was practically unwatchable. I don't know anyone from Japan or outside of Japan who liked it.

The eldritch-toned and abstract depiction of the OG demon kings was far more interesting than the netflix series attempted to portray, and most of all it was intentional, we have villains in DMC that are different from the "evil boss" persona (Like Arkham and Sanctus), but Mundus, though ? He doesn't believe that anyone else should even be a person. He doesn't manipulate Vergil, he strips him of his will and identity to create Nelo Angelo, not because he has to (He could control Nightmare without such effort), but because he looks down upon Vergil. Mundus did it because he detested Vergil's sense of self. He did it out of pure cruelty, and that's what a OG DMC Demon King should always be: schemer, manipulator, tyrant, eldritch, conceptually evil, and entity which is simply incompatible with human values or methods

There is absolutely nothing interesting about the despair unbound/argosax in DMC2. He's a faceless, voiceless blob that shows up in the very last chapter of the game to be dunked on in 30 minutes. This type of characterization isn't interesting, it is the most basic characterization conceivable. It barely got a face and a name, then a throwaway sentence sometime later in other media.

Mundus at no point in the actual games ever says such a thing as "I don't believe anyone should be a person". He beat Vergil up, mind controlled him, and even needed the amulet to make it stick. He's the one who created the angelo army after all. If his motives were truly so incompatible with human villainous motives, you wouldn't spend time describing a lot of human methods like you did. Seriously. Getting revenge on the sons of someone who "vanquished" you years ago happens in our world all the time. Same for Tyrants, scheming, and manipulation. Mundus is just a very simple character that was kept in the background of DMC1 a lot. Everything I typed here is practically replicated in the show btw.

He is an evil boss, it's ok. I don't think anyone that actually worked on DMC1 described him as anything more when reading their actual interviews in those Capcom books released a decade ago.