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Tf? Are we reaching Baki levels of destruction?
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Also, to add to that, the ground around the church was cratered and the church itself was sucked in.
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Damn tf
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Technically both. I did a rough calc and- yeah I either ****** up or its a huge outlier
Edit: This is JUST the terrain destruction
== Rock (General) Fragmentation Calculation ==
=== Inputs ===
- '''Volume:''' 190,851.75 m³
- '''Material:''' Rock (General)
- '''Destruction Type:''' Fragmentation
- '''J/cc Value:''' 8 J/cc
=== Calculation ===
'''Step 1: Input Volume'''
:<code>Volume = 190,851.75 m³</code>
:'''Result:''' 190,851.75 m³
'''Step 2: Convert Volume to cm³'''
:<code>190,851.75 m³ × 10⁶</code>
:'''Result:''' 1.9085 × 10^11 cm³
'''Step 3: Fragmentation value for Rock (General)'''
:<code>VS Battles Wiki standard: Rock (General) fragmentation</code>
:'''Result:''' 8 J/cc
'''Step 4: Calculate Destruction Energy'''
:<code>E = 1.9085 × 10^11 cm³ × 8 J/cc</code>
:'''Result:''' 1.5268 × 10^12 Joules
'''Step 5: Convert to Tons of TNT'''
:<code>1.5268 × 10^12 J ÷ 4.184×10⁹</code>
:'''Result:''' 364.9173 Tons of TNT
=== Result ===
'''1.5268 × 10^12 Joules'''
'''Attack Potency:''' [[Attack Potency|Multi-City Block (8-A)]]
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With next chapter pre-gen backstory starts, i think it would give consistency with feats as we would see Prime Gap and Prime Shingen at their full power, if the calc is correct ofc.or its a huge outlier
Pyro9278
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And to think that he was scrambling to find any excuse to improve the verse on 8-C, and now PTJ sends us an outlier feat of 8-A
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No way the gap from Mid-tier at 250 MJ to God-tier hits MCB in a street-fighting manhwa.
Pyro9278
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The gap between 9-A and High 8-C was already too big; imagine what it would be like with 8-A.
I think the only way this feat would be valid is by discarding the ground destruction or using only a shockwave with 10 PSI because HOLY OUTLIER
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Do you have a clear picture of the material used for the church? If it's reinforced concrete, 10 PSI can be used; otherwise, it'd be lower. Though it doesn't matter THAT much since 99% of the feat is carried by the volume of the terrain destruction (EVEN IF PTJ STILL SUCKS AT HANDLING THE AFTERMATH
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Pyro9278
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The church appears to be made entirely of concrete. The destruction of the terrain can perhaps be disregarded as a visual effect; after all, the main feat is the shockwave generated by the church.Do you have a clear picture of the material used for the church? If it's reinforced concrete, 10 PSI can be used; otherwise, it'd be lower. Though it doesn't matter THAT much since 99% of the feat is carried by the volume of the terrain destruction (EVEN IF PTJ STILL SUCKS AT HANDLING THE AFTERMATH
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Yeah if you just disregard entirely the terrain destruction effect, which doesn't appear under the church at all, so it would drop the volume by quite a bit, it's in the 8-C to 8-C+ combined (assuming shockwave uses 5 to 8 PSI tops), so it's definitely usable. I dont think it'll surpass Gap feat tho
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I'm afraid we shouldn't calc that feat for now, because the next arc is in Pre-Gen and I'm for sure PTJ will pull something much bigger crapper than this whatever he drew in today's chapter
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Pretty sure you’ll have to clear like 80% of that volume because it’s a building but I would’ve used the explosion yield formula with the highest psi tbh (though I think viott is making a calc so leaving it to him)Technically both. I did a rough calc and- yeah I either ****** up or its a huge outlier
Edit: This is JUST the terrain destruction
== Rock (General) Fragmentation Calculation ==
=== Inputs ===
- '''Volume:''' 190,851.75 m³
- '''Material:''' Rock (General)
- '''Destruction Type:''' Fragmentation
- '''J/cc Value:''' 8 J/cc
=== Calculation ===
'''Step 1: Input Volume'''
:<code>Volume = 190,851.75 m³</code>
:'''Result:''' 190,851.75 m³
'''Step 2: Convert Volume to cm³'''
:<code>190,851.75 m³ × 10⁶</code>
:'''Result:''' 1.9085 × 10^11 cm³
'''Step 3: Fragmentation value for Rock (General)'''
:<code>VS Battles Wiki standard: Rock (General) fragmentation</code>
:'''Result:''' 8 J/cc
'''Step 4: Calculate Destruction Energy'''
:<code>E = 1.9085 × 10^11 cm³ × 8 J/cc</code>
:'''Result:''' 1.5268 × 10^12 Joules
'''Step 5: Convert to Tons of TNT'''
:<code>1.5268 × 10^12 J ÷ 4.184×10⁹</code>
:'''Result:''' 364.9173 Tons of TNT
=== Result ===
'''1.5268 × 10^12 Joules'''
'''Attack Potency:''' [[Attack Potency|Multi-City Block (8-A)]]
Pyro9278
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That's just the destruction of the land. The church would surely be very different, much less.
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Nono the volume was from a half sphere of 45 meters (roughly highest point of a church) with the 1/4 of diameter to get the depth. I still dont like it that much anyway because the base of the church like Pyro pointed out is still basically intact
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oh definitely some issues then, but yeah, base of the church is very intact
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Not sure how it would be an outlier, considering this is the first time we see arguably the two strongest characters (at the very least number 4 and 3 of all time) fight seriously.Technically both. I did a rough calc and- yeah I either ****** up or its a huge outlier
Edit: This is JUST the terrain destruction
== Rock (General) Fragmentation Calculation ==
=== Inputs ===
- '''Volume:''' 190,851.75 m³
- '''Material:''' Rock (General)
- '''Destruction Type:''' Fragmentation
- '''J/cc Value:''' 8 J/cc
=== Calculation ===
'''Step 1: Input Volume'''
:<code>Volume = 190,851.75 m³</code>
:'''Result:''' 190,851.75 m³
'''Step 2: Convert Volume to cm³'''
:<code>190,851.75 m³ × 10⁶</code>
:'''Result:''' 1.9085 × 10^11 cm³
'''Step 3: Fragmentation value for Rock (General)'''
:<code>VS Battles Wiki standard: Rock (General) fragmentation</code>
:'''Result:''' 8 J/cc
'''Step 4: Calculate Destruction Energy'''
:<code>E = 1.9085 × 10^11 cm³ × 8 J/cc</code>
:'''Result:''' 1.5268 × 10^12 Joules
'''Step 5: Convert to Tons of TNT'''
:<code>1.5268 × 10^12 J ÷ 4.184×10⁹</code>
:'''Result:''' 364.9173 Tons of TNT
=== Result ===
'''1.5268 × 10^12 Joules'''
'''Attack Potency:''' [[Attack Potency|Multi-City Block (8-A)]]
Edit: Assuming any calc gets it comfortably above Large Building, which was scaling from a feat performed by a casual Old Gap, presumably without even using his Path or stacked masteries or whatever.
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Because according to the (flawed) result I got, the feat would be 100 times what Gap pulled. Literally skipping a tier in terms of AP (High 8-C to 8-A). Still, I'd rather wait on people to either calc it properly or PTJ backing it up and confirming this with other feats
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I think it's very, very easy to argue, but nevertheless, it's a quick calc anyway, so no point in discussing it much.
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Nah, even if the final calc somehow hits 8-A, it wouldn’t be an outlier. It’s basically a natural progression from seemingly two of the strongest characters in the series. It be one thing if it was a feat from like chapter 300 calc’d to be 8-B but it should be fine in this context
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PEAK CHAPTER OMG. DIDNT BAIT IS AND GAVE A SHORT EXCHANGE AND A NEW FEAT. PTJ IS COOKING.
Pyro9278
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I do consider it an outlier feat, since the verse literally ranges from 9-A for mid-tiers to 8-A for God-level. Even 9-A and High 8-C was a pretty big gap. 8-A is practically enough to pulverize any 9-A and one-shot any High 8-C. It doesn't help that this is also the only 8-A feat in the verse... a verse of street fights.
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Yeah, we’re talking about hypotheticals rn, let’s just wait for the calc first
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Context is very, very important here, and when determining the validity of feats on this wiki. Mathematically, yes, it is an outlier (though it is not an official calc yet, just spitballing), same for the Large Building feat. Context is what makes it acceptable. This is pretty consistent across the wiki in many verses. Of course, supporting feats make it stronger, but again, these are arguably the two strongest characters of all time (or at the very least in the current time), fighting seriously using their Paths.
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Like idk how were calling this an outlier when gitae and james scale massively above everyone else that isn’t gap or shigen
Pyro9278
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And doesn't the context make it even more of an outlier? Didn't Jinyoung or Lil Daniel UI fight a serious Kitae Kim with his Path? Didn't Tom Lee damage a supposedly "8-A" James? If you look back on the scale, it makes much less sense, and that's why it's considered an outlier. Sure, if the calculation turns out to be lower, it might be acceptable, maybe if it's just a High 8-C, but an 8-A is currently an outlier unless future episodes prove otherwise.
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Path Jinyoung and UI Lil Daniel are some of the strongest characters in the entire verse and are flat-out shown to be in a different realm. Even then, context clearly shows (especially in the case of UI Lil Daniel, where this is outright stated) that Kitae wasn't able to be pushed to his limits. There is a very clear observable difference between the fight he has with UI Lil Daniel and Jinyoung, despite Kitae noting that it's like the fight never finished.
As for James Lee, surely we are not forgetting that James himself stated that he was not taking the fight as seriously as he should have (to which, even without Path, he manages to defeat Tom Lee easily). When Tom gets his revenge amp and batters James, James is not damaged (nor is James using his Path here at all) to any degree. Several panels, including the ones in this chapter, show that he is completely fine with the exception of the pierce that an off-guard James received before he got serious. The moment we see James use Path, Tom Lee is oneshotted.
I think it does not have to be explained that James and Kitae, when fighting against each other with full intentions to make the other submit, as well as both using their Path, on top of both again being arguably the strongest characters of all time or at bare minimum the strongest currently, will have a significantly different outcome than the previous fights of this arc.
Four big assumptions are at play here:
1. The assumption that Path Jinyoung and Lil Daniel in UI (with SB Daniel Copy) are weak (flat out the opposite and not true), but also that they were genuinely portrayed as directly equal to Path Kitae
2. The assumption that a Serious James and a Serious Kitae in Path scale relative to Tom Lee, and by extension, a 1T unserious off-guard James (Hopefully I don't have to explain why this is silly)
3. The assumption that Tom Lee is weak (yet, despite this assumption being blatantly wrong based on multiple statements across the series, he never damages an on guard James in any remotely meaningful capacity)
4. The assumption that a very casual Old Gap who arguably only used a very low level of Overcome (barely enough to knock out pre-training Jinrang, who is arguably below Seokdu) is equal to Serious Path James and Serious Path Kitae, despite this flat out being contradicted strongly.
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Yeah, i don't think its an outlier. They are the two strongest characters always have been fighting seemingly seriously to put the other in their place. At worst no one scales until way later down the line, at best we scale the few already High 8-C's to "at most x" or whatever the feat ends up being, if its above High 8-C, so like 8-B or 8-A.
ArgentDragonPluto
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Pretty nutty
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Seen theories that it's a path that "reflects" attacks, kinda rocking with that theory
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It seems to be more of "miss" since all the stuff that his path has yet done is somehow evade the "sure hits" to the point that even Tom Lee missed his hit at James arota.
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Maybe it has an evade function that is easier to use but also a reflect function that requires more effort, can't be a coincidence that we've seen him reflect 3 attacks and each attack had big impacts (Jaegyeon, Tom, and now Kitae)
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Make it similar to Daniel but different mechanisms, just to create an even bigger foil between the two characters
