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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

DaReaperMan said:
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I found it a bit confusing because Old Ben's key mentions "everything before plus:" (which can be interpreted as "Equipment"). Of course, there's also a list where he only has Padawan equipment.

But the intermediate key mentions "everything before plus:", which makes sense since everyone there has the same Padawan equipment. However, only ROTS mentions "the same as Padawan." This suggests that the other keys don't have Padawan equipment since it doesn't mention "The same as Padawan" like Old Ben's and ROTS' keys
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I found it a bit confusing because Old Ben's key mentions "everything before plus:" (which can be interpreted as "Equipment"). Of course, there's also a list where he only has Padawan equipment.

But the intermediate key mentions "everything before plus:", which makes sense since everyone there has the same Padawan equipment. However, only ROTS mentions "the same as Padawan." This suggests that the other keys don't have Padawan equipment since it doesn't mention "The same as Padawan" like Old Ben's and ROTS' keys
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Reworked it a little
 
Obi-wan beat Anakin a second time and then just went "aight time to get old'

Honestly I thought Old Ben was stronger but apparently not lmao
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Obi-wan beat Anakin a second time and then just went "aight time to get old'

Honestly I thought Old Ben was stronger but apparently not lmao
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Yeah Old Ben has like, constant statements and shit of being weaker, slower, less skilled, etcetera. If someone wanted to make Dooku it's one of those things they could easily wank him with.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Yeah Old Ben has like, constant statements and shit of being weaker, slower, less skilled, etcetera. If someone wanted to make Dooku it's one of those things they could easily wank him with.
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That mfer dooku was sleeping in silk pajamas meanwhile obi wan was just a homeless dude in the desert smh
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Obi-wan beat Anakin a second time and then just went "aight time to get old'

Honestly I thought Old Ben was stronger but apparently not lmao
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There's only one statement that contradicts this.

That's in the 2017 re-edited junior novel, which says Vader thought Obi-Wan was weaker but was wrong.

But it's just a one scan; it comes from a re-edited Legends version of the novel.

There's also a statement from Leia saying that the older she got, the stronger her connection to the Force became, but I don't think that applies to everyone.

People try to generalize about Force users getting stronger or not over time, but I think it's simply a case-by-case situation.
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
There's only one statement that contradicts this.

That's in the 2017 re-edited junior novel, which says Vader thought Obi-Wan was weaker but was wrong.

But it's not just a scan; it comes from a re-edited Legends version of the novel.

There's also a statement from Leia saying that the older she got, the stronger her connection to the Force became, but I don't think that applies to everyone.

People try to generalize about Force users getting stronger or not over time, but I think it's simply a case-by-case situation.
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Obi had shitty living conditions, I think thats the biggest thing to blame. That and he had to age to Ewan to Alec in like a decade
 
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And for the record, I am really waiting for that business with the High Republic to be cleared up. Not as if anything of mine would be changed much by it, but Damnit is it annoying to put down superior to people Obi-Wan should be comparable to lol
 
DaReaperMan said:
And for the record, I am really waiting for that business with the High Republic to be cleared up.
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We just need the calculations to be accepted.

The recalculation of the current calculation is in such a limbo that I'm just going to discard it entirely. I doubt the recalculation will be completed; that CRT is dead and stopped (like other CRTs involving Star Wars calculations).

There's pretty much nothing to be done if the calculations aren't accepted.

I mean, there is something to be done, which is to remove the 7-B and try a scale with lower values.

But basically everyone will be 8-B, except for the top tier, which is Vader Rebels onwards and anything comparable to it. Because, as far as I remember, Yoda's feat in the mountains was being aided by the planet.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
We just need the calculations to be accepted.

The recalculation of the current calculation is in such a limbo that I'm just going to discard it entirely. I doubt the recalculation will be completed; that CRT is dead and stopped (like other CRTs involving Star Wars calculations).

There's pretty much nothing to be done if the calculations aren't accepted.

I mean, there is something to be done, which is to remove the 7-B and try a scale with lower values.

But basically everyone will be 8-B, except for the top tier, which is Vader Rebels onwards and anything comparable to it. Because, as far as I remember, Yoda's feat in the mountains was being aided by the planet.
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Link me that CRT. I think I can pull some... shenanigans.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Link me that CRT. I think I can pull some... shenanigans.
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Here it is.

But this is very controversial, especially the interpretation of exactly how it happened and how it should have been done.

I didn't understand much, so I barely participated. If you think you can do something, well, the CRT is there.

I don't think everyone would be tier 6 if that's the actual tier; it's just that at the time it was so complicated that I only thought about figuring out who scales to what exactly afterwards.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Here it is.

But this is very controversial, especially the interpretation of exactly how it happened and how it should have been done.

I didn't understand much, so I barely participated. If you think you can do something, well, the CRT is there.

I don't think everyone would be tier 6 if that's the actual tier; it's just that at the time it was so complicated that I only thought about figuring out who scales to what exactly afterwards.
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I am a sanctioned harasser, observe:
 
I wish I had more time to do more calculations, especially after HR, because it's kind of complicated to make characters scale to guys they've never even seen in their lives.

Sure, there are statements for that, and HR being the pinnacle of the Jedi doesn't prevent 1% of modern Jedi from being more powerful (like Yoda, Mace, Cal, etc.), but I'd prefer not to base it entirely on HR.

Momin has a feat that's possibly tier 7, there's that Obi-Wan avalanche, and maybe more things I've forgotten.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I wish I had more time to do more calculations, especially after Hearthstone, because it's kind of complicated to make characters scale to guys they've never even seen in their lives.

Sure, there are statements for that, and Hearthstone being the pinnacle of the Jedi doesn't prevent 1% of modern Jedi from being more powerful (like Yoda, Mace, Cal, etc.), but I'd prefer not to base it entirely on Hearthstone.

Momin has a feat that's possibly tier 7, there's that Obi-Wan avalanche, and maybe more things I've forgotten.
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I have to stop using Google Translate. It tries to guess which word is an acronym.

It turned "HR" into Hearthstone.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
We just need the calculations to be accepted.

The recalculation of the current calculation is in such a limbo that I'm just going to discard it entirely. I doubt the recalculation will be completed; that CRT is dead and stopped (like other CRTs involving Star Wars calculations).

There's pretty much nothing to be done if the calculations aren't accepted.

I mean, there is something to be done, which is to remove the 7-B and try a scale with lower values.

But basically everyone will be 8-B, except for the top tier, which is Vader Rebels onwards and anything comparable to it. Because, as far as I remember, Yoda's feat in the mountains was being aided by the planet.
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Elza move island feat is now rejected?
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I wish I had more time to do more calculations, especially after HR, because it's kind of complicated to make characters scale to guys they've never even seen in their lives.

Sure, there are statements for that, and HR being the pinnacle of the Jedi doesn't prevent 1% of modern Jedi from being more powerful (like Yoda, Mace, Cal, etc.), but I'd prefer not to base it entirely on HR.

Momin has a feat that's possibly tier 7, there's that Obi-Wan avalanche, and maybe more things I've forgotten.
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Tbf Jedi Survivor helps a lot with that, at least with people comparable/superior to Cal given that he can keep up with Dagan, who single-handedly beat Rayvis, a guy who has killed several HR jedi and required an entire group of them to capture. I don't know if there's a scaling chain for anyone else though.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
But basically everyone will be 8-B, except for the top tier, which is Vader Rebels onwards and anything comparable to it. Because, as far as I remember, Yoda's feat in the mountains was being aided by the planet.
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Honestly, if the calculation that 99% of the verse scaled to 8-A instead of 8-B, I would do that.
 
DarkLock92 said:
Tbf Jedi Survivor helps a lot with that, at least with people comparable/superior to Cal given that he can keep up with Dagan, who single-handedly beat Rayvis, a guy who has killed several HR jedi and required an entire group of them to capture. I don't know if there's a scaling chain for anyone else though.
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Cal's problem is that he's isolated within his own universe.

With the exception of Vader, the characters in Jedi Survivor don't have a direct scale with other characters in the franchise.

Except for the ninth sister, but she's defeated early on when Cal isn't as strong as he is at the end.

Despite appearances, Cal is a level above in the verse.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Cal's problem is that he's isolated within his own universe.

With the exception of Vader, the characters in Jedi Survivor don't have a direct scale with other characters in the franchise.

Except for the ninth sister, but she's defeated early on when Cal isn't as strong as he is at the end.

Despite appearances, Cal is a level above in the verse.
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Yeah that's a bummer
 
Even Cere has a power boost.

In Fallen Order, Jedi Pocket refers to her only as a Jedi Knight.

Which makes everyone in that game, so to speak, of an intermediate level.

But in Jedi Survivor, she begins to be declared a Jedi Master.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Even Cere has a power boost.

In Fallen Order, Jedi Pocket refers to her only as a Jedi Knight.

Which makes everyone in that game, so to speak, of an intermediate level.

But in Jedi Survivor, she begins to be declared a Jedi Master.
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Rando Masters can harm Vader? Sounds like we CAN use Cal to wank!
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I know you're joking, but it's more to demonstrate an objective leap in power/technique compared to the previous level, not that this is the common level of a Jedi Master.
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I mean, Vader is like, in the 1%, it wasn't like Cere was comparable to him, but she could get him serious, like most Jedi Masters who've fought him. Clearly this is a Maul downscale, which I will happily advocate for.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Even Cere has a power boost.

In Fallen Order, Jedi Pocket refers to her only as a Jedi Knight.

Which makes everyone in that game, so to speak, of an intermediate level.

But in Jedi Survivor, she begins to be declared a Jedi Master.
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Well yeah Cere in Jedi Survivor has that "letting go of your fear" thing which if I'm not wrong is an amp for Jedi. if I recall Kanan had something similar when he fought the Grand Inquisitor
 
DaReaperMan said:
I mean, Vader is like, in the 1%, it wasn't like Cere was comparable to him, but she could get him serious, like most Jedi Masters who've fought him. Clearly this is a Maul downscale, which I will happily advocate for.
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Fortunately or unfortunately, we have a statement from the Jedi Survivor databank saying that Cere really came close to defeating Vader.
Sending BD-1 away with the codes, Cere engaged the Sith Lord in a savage battle. With skill and determination, she came within a breath of defeating him. Yet at the final moment, a wounded Vader strikes true, dealing a lethal blow to the Jedi Master. She collapsed back into Cal's arms, who witnessed her heroic last stand through
psychometry
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DarkLock92 said:
Well yeah Cere in Jedi Survivor has that "letting go of your fear" thing which if I'm not wrong is an amp for Jedi. if I recall Kanan had something similar when he fought the Grand Inquisitor
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Yes, it is said that Kanan, during the final duel against Grievous, was stronger than ever in the Force (Star Wars Lightsaber Battles).

In one of the several books that summarizes ROTS, it also says that during the duel between Obi-Wan and Grievous, Obi-Wan left his fear behind.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Fortunately or unfortunately, we have a statement from the Jedi Survivor databank saying that Cere really came close to defeating Vader.

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She is using a lightsaber and set the place on fire. She was overpowered whenever they were made to clash, but she could still harm him, is what I'm saying.
 
The "Force Scream" item in Vader's page leads to Wookiepedia's Force Scream and it referenced the Inquisitor: Rise of the Red Blade novel.

In the book, in page 319 of 384 it said:
When she caught him on the shoulder, he gave her a look of pure, unrelenting hate and screamed so hard that her whole body shuddered and fell, numb and shaking, to the ground. She’d never felt anything like it, as if her organs were exploding inside her body.
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Aside from the fact that it's a scream so it's Sound Manipulation, what ability would that be?
Status Effect Inducement + Paralysis Inducement since the character felt numb? Feeling as if your organs were exploding sounds like Pain Manipulation to me?
 
To be honest, this is a bit outdated, I have to remove it.

What Vader did wasn't a Force Scream, he just cried and performed a TK AoE.
 
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