Reinhard vs Acheron

[MasterOwOgay]

Well, this is going to be disappointing.

If she starts with her sword sheathed, then the matchup still would not work because she can instantly unsheathe it, become sextillions of times faster, one-shot Reinhard, and sheath it again before he even has a chance to respond. At that point, it just becomes a stomp.

This is also ignoring her passives. I am not particularly well-versed in verse equalization, but if the ability is explicitly non-magical, then Reinhard likely should not be able to resist it outright. However, Reinhard was still able to survive against Reid Astrea, so while I would not necessarily call it a direct “resistance,” I would not be opposed to the argument that it would not completely cripple him in the fight either. Since Reid does not use magic, that could potentially serve as a direct comparison or counterpoint here.

the matchup could work if both of them started with their swords already unsheathed and speed was equalized from the start, which Vortech said above, in which case i did agree with him here. The skill gap is big enough between them for Reinhard to win comfortably

 

[Voidnether]

Assuming this matchup has been changed so she starts amped, so it's even a viable matchup at all, I am going to just vote Reinhard now. We've gone on long enough. It doesn't sound like it would be in character for Acheron to nuke the area or start off with bfring her opponent. Reinhard wouldn't nuke the area either as a result. He would only do that if his opponent presents a threat to the entire world. They would both use ranged slashes of course, just not the highly destructive aoe kind. It's already been established that either slashing the other can kill them. They would engage in a sword fight and Reinhard would quickly win due to his disgustingly superior skill. Not to mention he has like a dozen different ways to get small speed boosts of his own.

But Acheron is 3-C to 3-B and Reinhard is 6-B

 

[Crimsonobu]

Come back and it's 8 pages bro what happened

 

[MasterOwOgay]

But Acheron is 3-C to 3-B and Reinhard is 6-B

Didnt you mention him being tier 5

Skill does not have anything to do with tiers, darling

 

[VortechsTG]

But Acheron is 3-C to 3-B and Reinhard is 6-B

We've been over this. This isn't a matchup that comes down to raw power but hax. She doesn't resist type 2 conceptual manipulation. This is beginning to seem like blatant stonewalling.

 

[VortechsTG]

This is also ignoring her passives. I am not particularly well-versed in verse equalization, but if the ability is explicitly non-magical, then Reinhard likely should not be able to resist it outright. However, Reinhard was still able to survive against Reid Astrea, so while I would not necessarily call it a direct “resistance,” I would not be opposed to the argument that it would not completely cripple him in the fight either. Since Reid does not use magic, that could potentially serve as a direct comparison or counterpoint here.

Reid doesn't really have anything quite like type 2 information erasure. But I still don't see her using bfr before just engaging in a sword duel.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Reid doesn't really have anything quite like type 2 information erasure. But I still don't see her using bfr before just engaging in a sword duel.

I might have accidentally mixed up IM type 2 and CM type 2, my bad.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If it comes down to a sword fight then my bets are on the "Sword Saint", count my vote for him

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah nah Acheron takes here due to the stats difference if both are going to clash like Acheron vs Firefly

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yeah nah Acheron takes here due to the stats difference if both are going to clash like Acheron vs Firefly

She would not be able to reliably land hits on him in close combat because of the sheer skill gap. It wouldn’t be a straightforward sword clash; he would simply slip through her defenses and cut her down. It is not about stats here

 

[Trxyway]

Yeah nah Acheron takes here due to the stats difference if both are going to clash like Acheron vs Firefly

Stat difference is a stomp, without the Stat difference there is no clashing happening, the skill difference is too huge, difference between a baby and a masterswordman

 

[Robo432343]

The skill gap between Reinhard and Acheron is not that big though

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Yeah nah Acheron takes here due to the stats difference if both are going to clash like Acheron vs Firefly

The stat difference is largely irrelevant here since both combatants are primarily relying on their hax. In this case, the deciding factor would likely be whoever is more skilled with their weapon

 

[Voidnether]

She would not be able to reliably land hits on him in close combat because of the sheer skill gap. It wouldn’t be a straightforward sword clash; he would simply slip through her defenses and cut her down. It is not about stats here

• Genius combatant (Acheron saw through Black Swan's true intentions while dancing with her, and as retaliation, she manifested her memories upon her, inducing palpitating revelation and psycho trauma. She instantly noticed Black Swan's identity upon interacting her and asked about the Annihilation Gang. Acheron is highly proficient with the sword being able to fight using only the scabbard itself. She has sharpened her skills with her katana by fighting for many years against the Yaoyorozu-no-Kami. She can also evenly match and eventually defeat the illusion-like clones of Blade and Kafka, both of whom are swordmasters).

Is it? Because like what stops Acheron from just manifesting her memories upon Reinhard and Reinhard goes insane, also for Blade's feat you'd have to see Jingliu's extraordinary genius combat intelligence section

 

[VortechsTG]

The skill gap between Reinhard and Acheron is not that big though

Are you joking?

 

[Mbpoops]

If it comes down to a sword fight then my bets are on the "Sword Saint", count my vote for him

reinhard vs mihawk next

 

[Robo432343]

Are you joking?

the skill different doesn't get to the point where Reinhard bypasses Acheron's wincons completely

 

[Trxyway]

The skill gap between Reinhard and Acheron is not that big though

I am not joking when i say she is closer to Subaru in skill than she is to Someone like Wilhelm, who is nowhere close to Reinhard in skill. Hence why i said the difference between a Baby and a Masterswordsman

 

[Voidnether]

• Extraordinary Genius combatant (Jingliu is a legendary swordswoman of unparalleled skill and mastery, being regarded as a legend of swordplay. Her expertise is so extraordinary that she has earned the esteemed title of Sword Champion, a designation reserved solely for those who have achieved the zenith of swordsmanship, being referred as the Transcendent Flash, the pinnacle of swordmasters, a once-in-ten-millennia hero. 700 years ago, Yingxing, the blacksmith who forged the Sword Shard, stated that Jingliu was the only swordmaster on the entire Xianzhou Luofu who could tap into the full potential of the best sword he crafted. She can tell a person's swordsmanship by sound itself. Jingliu's prowess is not only evident in her own abilities but also in the talents of her students, Jing Yuan and Blade, since Jingliu taught everything that they know in the arts of Glaive and Sword, who have become expert masters in their respective weapons usage. Was capable of evenly matching Jing Yuan's glaive skills with her own sword skills in their deathmatch. Despite seeing in first hand Yanqing's swordsmanship, she casually regards his sword's skills as vastly inferior to her own, with Yanqing desperately trying to reach Jingliu's level of skills in swordplay. Despite Yanqing being a renowned swordmaster on his own right, he is still far away from achieving the title of Sword Champion, with one of his life goals as a swordsman being to obtain this title, showing once again that Yanqing's swordplay skills pale in comparison to those of Jingliu)

Blade fought Jingliu and they were even;

Acheron was skill-diffing Blade

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Is it? Because like what stops Acheron from just manifesting her memories upon Reinhard and Reinhard goes insane,

he has multiple different blessings that can stop layers of mind manipulation. On that note, the clash wouldn't go that long for this to become relevant because the fight would end on the first hit

also for Blade's feat you'd have to see Jingliu's extraordinary genius combat intelligence section

Good to know it wouldn't be a skill stomp however you did have to prove she scales to Jingliu's skill and it wasn't just a hax diff

 

[Voidnether]

he has multiple different blessings that can stop layers of mind manipulation. On that note, the clash wouldn't go that long for this to become relevant because the fight would end on the first hit

Good to know it wouldn't be a skill stomp however you did have to prove she scales to Jingliu's skill and it wasn't just a hax diff

I think you might've replied before I proved this because it's already there on the reply above you

 

[Robo432343]

I'll vote whoever @CastoriceTheFifth thinks wins

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Extraordinary Genius combatant (Jingliu is a legendary swordswoman of unparalleled skill and mastery, being regarded as a legend of swordplay. Her expertise is so extraordinary that she has earned the esteemed title of Sword Champion, a designation reserved solely for those who have achieved the zenith of swordsmanship, being referred as the Transcendent Flash, the pinnacle of swordmasters, a once-in-ten-millennia hero. 700 years ago, Yingxing, the blacksmith who forged the Sword Shard, stated that Jingliu was the only swordmaster on the entire Xianzhou Luofu who could tap into the full potential of the best sword he crafted.

glaze, not skill in anyway

She can tell a person's swordsmanship by sound itself.

info analysis

Jingliu's prowess is not only evident in her own abilities but also in the talents of her students, Jing Yuan and Blade, since Jingliu taught everything that they know in the arts of Glaive and Sword, who have become expert masters in their respective weapons usage. Was capable of evenly matching Jing Yuan's glaive skills with her own sword skills in their deathmatch. Despite seeing in first hand Yanqing's swordsmanship, she casually regards his sword's skills as vastly inferior to her own, with Yanqing desperately trying to reach Jingliu's level of skills in swordplay. Despite Yanqing being a renowned swordmaster on his own right, he is still far away from achieving the title of Sword Champion, with one of his life goals as a swordsman being to obtain this title, showing once again that Yanqing's swordplay skills pale in comparison to those of Jingliu)

glaze, not skill

This is worse than Elsa's skill slop, she gets skill diff'd

 

[Zabazab]

Reinhard cuts her sword's blade off from its hilt, she ***** herself and immediately BFRs him.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'll vote whoever @CastoriceTheFifth thinks wins

Acheron FRA

 

[VortechsTG]

Good to know it wouldn't be a skill stomp however you did have to prove she scales to Jingliu's skill and it wasn't just a hax diff

Did you actually read the section lol?

 

[Voidnether]

glaze, not skill in anyway

info analysis

glaze, not skill

This is worse than Elsa's skill slop, she gets skill diff'd

Reinhard's justification is the exact same btw

 

[Voidnether]

Dude the whole Reinhard's intelligence is literally just people glazing his swordsmanship, it's like the 1:1 replica of Jingliu and you can't convince me the otherwise

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Did you actually read the section lol?

they said extraordinary genius in combat and i got my hopes up

Dude the whole Reinhard's intelligence is literally just people glazing his swordsmanship, it's like the 1:1 replica of Jingliu and you can't convince me the otherwise

uh dude what. If you can't understand skillslop then i will help you out

 

[VortechsTG]

the skill different doesn't get to the point where Reinhard bypasses Acheron's wincons completely

Yes it ******* does lmao are you serious? With justifications like those on Jingliu's profile you might as well consider Elsa extraordinary genius. But not even the logic breaking literally cannot be reached with an eternity of experience Theresia is completely outclassed by Reinhard.

 

[Trxyway]

Blade fought Jingliu and they were even;

Acheron was skill-diffing Blade

Am i being harsh when i say even the likes of Elsa have better skill feats than this, most of this is just glaze and maybe 20% of it is skill

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Reinhard Vs The Enemy of the World when

uh dude what. If you can't understand skillslop then i will help you out

What you gonna do. Tell him "oh, Elsa dodged an explosion without leaving its radius"?

 

[Voidnether]

Wilhelm's skills in his old age were inferior to when he was in his prime, but even so he still possessed 50 years of combat experience as a master swordsman, making him a superhuman even among superhumans.

Btw if this is true, Jingliu's combat experience is like 700 years or even more

 

[Zabazab]

Dude the whole Reinhard's intelligence is literally just people glazing his swordsmanship, it's like the 1:1 replica of Jingliu and you can't convince me the otherwise

It makes an effort to describe the actual skill feats of the people glazing Reinhard, you see.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Btw, after i drop my breakdown of just ONE paragraph of Reinhard's section, you guys need to downgrade her and everyone who scales to her in terms of combat to gifted or below

 

[Voidnether]

Am i being harsh when i say even the likes of Elsa have better skill feats than this, most of this is just glaze and maybe 20% of it is skill

Check this out

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Btw if this is true, Jingliu's combat experience is like 709 years or even more

combat experience means jack shit in cross verse skill scaling

 

[Mbpoops]

Btw, after i drop my breakdown of just ONE paragraph of Reinhard's section, you guys need to downgrade her and everyone who scales to her in terms of combat to gifted or below

did i hear acherfraud downgrade?

 

[VortechsTG]

Reinhard cuts her sword's blade off from its hilt, she ***** herself and immediately BFRs him.

Literally the best argument for Acheron here and it's not even from the supporters. What are we doing? I don't buy that he would give her the chance though. He cut down Theresia in a single slash.

 

[Voidnether]

Literally the best argument for Acheron here and it's not even from the supporters. What are we doing? I don't buy that he would give her the chance though. He cut down Theresia in a single slash.

Did you not read like the first page