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6-B Hax Merchant Reinhard Vs Cosmic Garou (Again)

What? He does have resistance to radiation he literally survived in space, the people on the scan died because they are humans who lack ANY resistance to radiation, regardless this isn't even relevant at all anyways, as the reason they were affected is because they were in his range and his radiation is stated to have a distance of one meter the fight starts with both characters 10 meters apart
Is the "space" even same in Re:Zero?

Reinhard isn't even aware of the existence of "vacuum". When Aldebaran destroyed the oxygen around Reinhard, he couldn't figure out what happened and was suffering from the lack of oxygen.

And the most relevant cause of radiation is sun and stars. Re:Zero doesn't even have fitting stars to apply it.

His radiation doesn't have a range limit. I just used one meter as a default. That's how much you're affected within a meter distance. It affects you regardless of 10 meters or a kilometer. (How much you're being affected is what changes which is described there)
He resists Beatrice and Satella's abilities who have portals, and once again that isn't even that relevant as Garou does not start with BFRing people, where as Reinhard does start with EE. OP states that Garou is trying to KILL Reinhard, he's not going to BFR him the instant the fight starts when his goal is to kill him
That's not what he resists. He resists against the magic they use for the spell, not that he resist "portals" or "bfr" itself.


Yes.
No, but he theoretically could.
Lmao.
 
Is the "space" even same in Re:Zero?

Reinhard isn't even aware of the existence of "vacuum". When Aldebaran destroyed the oxygen around Reinhard, he couldn't figure out what happened and was suffering from the lack of oxygen.

And the most relevant cause of radiation is sun and stars. Re:Zero doesn't even have fitting stars to apply it.
That has nothing to do with space itself being different, that's just a gap in knowledge because of Re:Zero's innate setting
His radiation doesn't have a range limit. I just used one meter as a default. That's how much you're affected within a meter distance. It affects you regardless of 10 meters or a kilometer. (How much you're being affected is what changes which is described there)
Oh alr then, misunderstood, then do we know how much less potent the radiation is depending on the range?
not that he resist "portals" or "bfr" itself.
Well he does resist Al Shamak, that's why BFR is apart of his resistances, though yeah the justification can def use some work
 
Garou started to grow after Saitama used Serious Tableflip and Omnidirectional Serious Punch. Garou then started to copy Saitama's growing stats as well as grow himself after this point. Garou using his portal to BFR an explosion happened before all of this.
Yeah but what about the entire fight that took place before they were sent away (chapters 162) they had an entire fight before that where he had basically free RE stonks. Seeing as this occurred after he realized how dangerous Saitama was, I still don't see how it can be argued he absolutely starts with BFR against someone who (physically speaking) is not on either of their level
 
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The reasoning is Reinhard instantly starts with his EE, and Garou does not start fights with portals, he isn't going to know that he should portal an attack from a character who is far weaker than him, not to mention his intellect he gets from God is not going to explain to him the nature of this attack because it's not even from his verse and doesn't exist within it
1. The moment Garou copied portals it became his most used ability by far. He spams the ever living crap out of portals, dude. Did you even read the fight?

2. Garou is not the type of character that just stands still and tanks attacks. Even touching him is a tough task. He dodges everything. He isn't going to just stand there and wait for some blanket of white light to slam into him. Wtf? Especially not when he has cosmic awareness/extrasensory perception + can portal away in an instant.

3. The nature of the attack is that it's a beam, dude. It's nothing more or less than that. There's no unique properties it has in of itself. It simply erases whatever it hits.


What? He does have resistance to radiation he literally survived and can adapt to space, the people on the scan died because they are humans who lack ANY resistance to radiation, regardless this isn't even relevant at all anyways, as the reason they were affected is because they were in his range and his radiation is stated to have a distance of one meter the fight starts with both characters 10 meters apart
Resistance to space background radiation is not sufficient enough to survive Garou's passive radiation as it has an accepted value that is many, many times higher than the radiation in space.

Garou has planetary range with his aura as it was explicitly stated by Blast to threaten all life on Earth, which is the very reason he was trying to BFR him into another dimension.


He resists Beatrice and Satella's abilities who have portals, and once again that isn't even that relevant as Garou does not start with BFRing people, where as Reinhard does start with EE. OP states that Garou is trying to KILL Reinhard, he's not going to BFR him the instant the fight starts when his goal is to kill him
He has 80% resistance, which isn't really fully resistance, and the burden of proof is on you to prove he is unaffected by portal BFR. Please and thank you.
 
1. The moment Garou copied portals it became his most used ability by far. He spams the ever living crap out of portals, dude. Did you even read the fight?

2. Garou is not the type of character that just stands still and tanks attacks. Even touching him is a tough task. He dodges everything. He isn't going to just stand there and wait for some blanket of white light to slam into him. Wtf? Especially not when he has cosmic awareness/extrasensory perception + can portal away in an instant.

3. The nature of the attack is that it's a beam, dude. It's nothing more or less than that. There's no unique properties it has in of itself. It simply erases whatever it hits.

Resistance to space background radiation is not sufficient enough to survive Garou's passive radiation as it has an accepted value that is many, many times higher than the radiation in space.

Garou has planetary range with his aura as it was explicitly stated by Blast to threaten all life on Earth, which is the very reason he was trying to BFR him into another dimension.

He has 80% resistance, which isn't really fully resistance, and the burden of proof is on you to prove he is unaffected by portal BFR. Please and thank you.
Before I respond to these, can you answer the above question?
 
I mean I'm assuming he is just using the strongest Garou
That's also what I assumed but upon reading the OP again, I think this should be clarified, especially when cosmic fear Garou in the parallel timeline explicitly needs to copy Blast in order to gain access to the portals, as it isn't a standard ability he possesses upon awakening
 
The way you say it requires infinite speed within range.

Also, i don't remember it being described like that?
It simultaneously brought about the end of the world and its recreation along his sword slash. It did be more accurate to think of his slashes like the retconned void's from opium. Its not infinite speed, its just his range.

"you are expecting too much from Od Laguna"


Same Od Laguna that grants the power to never die, become incapable of being hit, gain new and greater resistances to both things he already resists and things he does not, alter the mind of anyone he chooses, adapt to any environment or situation, and even reconstruct the entire world after erasing it. Magic is already something it can freely control or ban. In practice, it likely just bans his portal usage on Reinhard by giving him a new resistance to it, since portals fall well within Od Laguna’s control/awareness, though that is almost unnecessary to point out because the page already makes his resistance clear.

Clearing the flames away with a swing of his arm as he emerged, Reinhard had avoided the majority of the damage with his Divine Protection of Fire Avoidance, and if he were exposed to more intense flames, he would receive the Divine Protection of Fireplay, allowing him to fully demonstrate his enhanced abilities within the inferno.

That being the case, neither fire attacks, nullified by the Divine Protection of Fire Avoidance, nor terrain changes, nullified by the Divine Protection of Sandplay, were Aldebaran’s true aim.

-Arc 9, chapter 14
In the sense of destroying the equilibrium of the world, that technique was already on a level which rivaled the numerous forbidden arts whose existences had been erased by Od Lagna. The reason why this had never had its existence extinguished as a forbidden art, was none other than because there had been nobody capable of using it to make it worth prohibiting.

-Arc 9, chapter 48



More importantly, reducing Reinhard’s portal resistance to “he only resists 80% of it” is an extremely game-mechanical interpretation that the series itself does not support. Al Shamak is not portrayed as “20% successfully BFR’ing Reinhard.” The implication behind his resistances and Od Laguna’s protections is that these phenomena fail to properly affect him in practice, not that spatial removal gets partially applied like a damage value.

1. The moment Garou copied portals it became his most used ability by far. He spams the ever living crap out of portals, dude. Did you even read the fight?
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2. Garou is not the type of character that just stands still and tanks attacks. Even touching him is a tough task. He dodges everything. He isn't going to just stand there and wait for some blanket of white light to slam into him. Wtf? Especially not when he has cosmic awareness/extrasensory perception + can portal away in an instant.
  • Divine Protection of Initiative: His first attack on an opponent always lands, and he can never fall victim to surprise attacks.

3. The nature of the attack is that it's a beam, dude. It's nothing more or less than that. There's no unique properties it has in of itself.
The next instant, Reinhard raised the Dragon Blade above his head, and there was a single flash of light—the sky split, cracks running through the very air; the ground crumbled; mana swirled in a vortex; and along the arc of his slash, the world...slid. The moment after that cascading slash settled down, the white, cold air covering the world...recovered. The slide in the world was repaired, the parts that had become a swirling vortex of mana reverted to their proper forms, flowers budded forth from the shattered ground, and peace spread through the cracked air. From the sky, dazzling sunrays poured down. The slash of the Sword Saint had both ended the world and simultaneously brought about its re-creation— And the enormous beast that had been bathed in that slash had been annihilated from the world without a trace. There were not even side effects of destruction to be seen; that a battle had even taken place seemed like nothing but a dream.

Its specified to be a slash that simultaneously cuts things in a specific range.

Not to mention, its AoE:

—In an instant, a flash of lightning that transcended the limits of the dao, slashed away the pouring rain of light into nihil.

It was not just the countless strands of light that were obliterated in that flash. The dense forest of stone pillars that covered Cecilus’s left, right, and rear, attempting to seal off any escape routes, was blown to smithereens.

At this moment, Cecilus Segmunt’s sword strike had surpassed the Spirit Eater Arakiya― No, it had surpassed the Stone, Muspel, which was said to be the very land of the Vollachian Empire.

It simply erases whatever it hits.
Exactly, which is something Garou has never portal'd away, so saying he could do it is a NLF
 
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Nearly everything you just said in that post is NLF bruh
 
I’d like to point out that, regardless of whether you personally agree or disagree with something listed on a character’s profile, you are not permitted to ignore it or act as though it does not exist in a vs matchup. Doing so is a clear violation of the rules, and I have noticed this behavior being repeated by certain users on multiple occasions.
 
It simultaneously brought about the end of the world and its recreation along his sword slash. It did be more accurate to think of his slashes like the retconned void's from opium. Its not infinite speed, its just his range.
Subaru himself observes the slash and even explains the things that happening. It's talking about the act of doing both, not that both happens in the same timeframe.

It travels that range, not that it affects the entire range instantly. That is a claim of "ignoring distance" or "infinite speed" etc.
Same Od Laguna that grants the power to never die, become incapable of being hit, gain new and greater resistances to both things he already resists and things he does not, alter the mind of anyone he chooses, adapt to any environment or situation, and even reconstruct the entire world after erasing it. Magic is already something it can freely control or ban. In practice, it likely just bans his portal usage on Reinhard by giving him a new resistance to it, since portals fall well within Od Laguna’s control/awareness, though that is almost unnecessary to point out because the page already makes his resistance clear.
You just changed what i said and responded to that.
Second, Od Lagna helps him with divine protections which are limited abilities. They're not abilities of that level.

You're expecting interaction from Od Lagna far beyond anything we have seen.
You're expecting INTERACTION from Od Lagna far beyond it ever did.

You just described Mind Manipulation, bestowing blessing, and healing(+teleportation).

Also what? Od Lagna doesn't give someone a divine protection that allows them to reconstruct the entire world or anything.

From these, you tell me it'll give Reinhard the ability to traverse between dimensions or resistance against it which not only NLF but beyond what we have seen.

It being "done with magic" is an extremely wrong comparison and just NLF. Your claim reaches to the point that Od Lagna can also give Reinhard the ability to create black holes, ability to use magic regardless of his gate, ability to fall down stars via a DP that replicates Al Shario etc etc.

His resistance page makes it clear that he resists "Magic". Literally the entire purpose of that Divine Protection. It causes the user to nullify 80% of yin magic. Garou's portals are NOT affected by this.
More importantly, reducing Reinhard’s portal resistance to “he only resists 80% of it” is an extremely game-mechanical interpretation that the series itself does not support. Al Shamak is not portrayed as “20% successfully BFR’ing Reinhard.” The implication behind his resistances and Od Laguna’s protections is that these phenomena fail to properly affect him in practice, not that spatial removal gets partially applied like a damage value.
This just shows you didn't even read my comment. What Reinhard resists is the nature of that magic, not the way they act. Reinhard doesn't resist 80% BFR, but magic itself.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Garou's abiltiy.

I'm not claiming "Reinhard will get 20% teleported", i'm claiming it doesn't work that way. What he resists is not the act of being teleported.


Divine Protection of Initiative: His first attack on an opponent always lands, and he can never fall victim to surprise attacks.
That still rely on his and his opponents' ability and other conditions. He won't just hit someone far faster than him with this for example.

This is not some absolute law and limited to the user.
 
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