Abelard, introduce Owlcat's Rogue Trader to the wiki!

[Tomfer]

With the release date of the Trazyn's DLC, the The Infinite Museion, and the sequence, Dark Heresy. I finally decided to index Owlcat's games.​

This is, more or less, a way for me to gather more information and opinions on the feats that exist in Rogue Trader game. I'm only recently getting into Warhammer, and so I could interpret something in wrong way. Here a list of feats and boss battles practically all companions can have in the game:

Prologue/Chapter 1:​

The final boss of the prologue is a Chaos Spawn. Can they scale to other demons like Bloodletters? (?)

Chapter 2:​

They can kill a Screamer of Tzeentch. During the fight, the Screamer summons Blue Horros. Like Chaos Spawn, no idea if they scale to other demons. (?)
They can kill an unamed Chaos Space Marine. (8-C)
The final boss of the planet of Kiava Gamma is a Fabricator-Censor and two Forgefiends. (8-C?)
The final boss of chapter 2 is a named Chaos Space Marine named Aurora. (8-C)

Chapter 3:​

The final boss of chapter 3 is Yremeryss, an archon of her kabal. I legit have no idea how powerful they are. (So At least 8-C via getting stronger than before?)
I ******* hate this chapter btw.

Chapter 4:​

They can find and kill a bunch of random Chaos Space Marines, alongside a Helbrute. (8-C to H8-C)
They can kill an Incongruous Defiler. (?)
The final bosses of this chapter is a named Chaos Space Marine named Uralon, The Cruel. A powerful psyker who defeated an entire squad of Space Wolves. In the second phase, they can fight and defeat the Edge of Daybreak, a greater daemon of Tzeentch part of the Lords of Change. During his fight, he also summons Heralds of Tzeentch to fight alongside him. (?)

Chapter 5:​

The final boss of the game is C'tan Shard, a Star God. (?)

These are the most notable fights in the game, but throughout your entire playthrough, you can carry, tank, dodge and even parry all different types of weapons. All companions can tank and dodge lasguns, bolter weapons, plasma weapons, melta and multi-melta weapons. They can parry power swords, chain swords, and can resist psyker powers via willpower.

I also have a still VERY work in process blog of one of the companions, Heinrix Van Calox, to use as reference and example of how future profiles will look like.

 

[DaReaperMan]

As someone who's done this entire game...

Chapter 1: 8-C (Downscales from Chaos Spawn, and thus scales to CSMs)
Chapter 2: Also 8-C (Scales to CSMs)
Chapter 3: Again 8-C (High-end Druchii scale above CSMS... so they're just scaling to CSMs)
Chapters 4 and 5: High 8-C (Greater Daemons are on this level, and downscaling from them is just being High 8-C still. C'Tan shards vary so assume it's on the level of a GD.)

Though, if you want to say they downscale from Space Marines, that's fine too. You get a Space Wolf in Chapter 3 and he's basically the strongest party member period.

I recommend two keys overall though: Chapters 1-3 | Chapters 4-5. This is due to, again, scaling being the same across many chapters.

 

[Tomfer]

As someone who's done this entire game...

Chapter 1: 8-C (Downscales from Chaos Spawn, and thus scales to CSMs)
Chapter 2: Also 8-C (Scales to CSMs)
Chapter 3: Again 8-C (High-end Druchii scale above CSMS... so they're just scaling to CSMs)
Chapters 4 and 5: High 8-C (Greater Daemons are on this level, and downscaling from them is just being High 8-C still. C'Tan shards vary so assume it's on the level of a GD.)

Though, if you want to say they downscale from Space Marines, that's fine too. You get a Space Wolf in Chapter 3 and he's basically the strongest party member period.

I recommend two keys overall though: Chapters 1-3 | Chapters 4-5. This is due to, again, scaling being the same across many chapters.

Appreciate the help.

Chapter 1: 8-C (Downscales from Chaos Spawn, and thus scales to CSMs)
Chapter 2: Also 8-C (Scales to CSMs)
Chapter 3: Again 8-C (High-end Druchii scale above CSMS... so they're just scaling to CSMs)
Chapters 4 and 5: High 8-C (Greater Daemons are on this level, and downscaling from them is just being High 8-C still. C'Tan shards vary so assume it's on the level of a GD.)

All of this makes sense to me.

Though, if you want to say they downscale from Space Marines, that's fine too.

1-3 downscaling from SM is fine, it also makes sense for 4-5 since they become eventually become "normal" enemies for the party (especially in the helbrute fight).

You get a Space Wolf in Chapter 3 and he's basically the strongest party member period.

Too bad his gameplay doesn't show it.

I recommend two keys overall though: Chapters 1-3 | Chapters 4-5. This is due to, again, scaling being the same across many chapters.

Makes sense.

 

[DaReaperMan]

1-3 downscaling from SM is fine, it also makes sense for 4-5 since they become eventually become "normal" enemies for the party (especially in the helbrute fight).

Yeah High 8-C is basically where you can fight multiple SMs without being one yourself and just built different skill-wise.

Too bad his gameplay doesn't show it.

I dunno, for my run he was hitting like a meteor and ran like a freight train. If I wanted something to never get to move again, I just threw him and Abelard at it and unless it was a named boss, it ceased to exist in about 2 turns if that. But that's also because my character was a psyker and thus Chapter 3 was a ******* breeze.

 

[Tomfer]

Yeah High 8-C is basically where you can fight multiple SMs without being one yourself and just built different skill-wise.

Oh, we got a good skill-chain here too?

I dunno, for my run he was hitting like a meteor and ran like a freight train. If I wanted something to never get to move again, I just threw him and Abelard at it and unless it was a named boss, it ceased to exist in about 2 turns if that. But that's also because my character was a psyker and thus Chapter 3 was a ******* breeze.

I don't find him bad, just underwhelming. If I needed a frontliner, I'd go with Abelard, I never leave without my seneschal. He legit cannot die, he's eating bolters, las and more while taking almost 0 damage. If I want long range, Yrliet legit two-shot all of chapter 3 for me. So he's in a weird limbo of not being perfect like the other companions.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh, we got a good skill-chain here too?

Abelard can fight Adeptus Astartes in melee while at a stat disadvantage. I think we've got a good skill chain here.

I don't find him bad, just underwhelming. If I needed a frontliner, I'd go with Abelard, I never leave without my seneschal. He legit cannot die, he's eating bolters, las and more while taking almost 0 damage. If I want long range, Yrliet legit two-shot all of chapter 3 for me. So he's in a weird limbo of not being perfect like the other companions.

I hear Yrliet is good but I've never been able to get her going

 

[Tomfer]

Abelard can fight Adeptus Astartes in melee while at a stat disadvantage. I think we've got a good skill chain here.

Oh, I meant to ask as to WHY it's a good skill chain. I have, legit, zero clue how skillful are CSM.

I hear Yrliet is good but I've never been able to get her going

She's strong if you build her just right, which is a bit boring. You gotta make her a bounty hunter with a handful of certain perks. If you do, she can kill 4-5 enemies in a single turn, plus attack one target 2-3 times.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh, I meant to ask as to WHY it's a good skill chain. I have, legit, zero clue how skillful are CSM.

Oh the usual! Slaughter thousands upon thousands of beings with weapons that can harm you solo, has every martial art and martial skill under the sun, can use any weapon they pick up with masterful ease, usually survived up to over 10,000 years in 40K of all places to see every nasty and unknowable, and to have fought em too.

She's strong if you build her just right, which is a bit boring. You gotta make her a bounty hunter with a handful of certain perks. If you do, she can kill 4-5 enemies in a single turn, plus attack one target 2-3 times.

Ah. No wonder.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm not super duper knowledgeable on 40k and I'm not sure what I'm needed here for, but. Scaling seems good

 

[Tomfer]

I'm not super duper knowledgeable on 40k and I'm not sure what I'm needed here for, but. Scaling seems good

I saw as you a supporter on the 40k page, so I thought it was fine. Still, having a staff taking a look is nice.

Oh the usual! Slaughter thousands upon thousands of beings with weapons that can harm you solo, has every martial art and martial skill under the sun, can use any weapon they pick up with masterful ease, usually survived up to over 10,000 years in 40K of all places to see every nasty and unknowable, and to have fought em too.

Oh, that's good. You got the martial art/skill scan with you? I might add on the profiles.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I should say it will always be iffy scaling normal people to Astartes and shit, but...

1. Heinrix is a Psyker Inquisitor
2. The Unsanctioned psyker I forget the name of is a Psyker
3. You have a Tech Priest
4. An actual Space Wolf
5. An Aeldari and Dark Eldar
6. A smuggler who uses Eldar shit

And the only problem here is maybe Abelard, seeing as there's nothing special about him lmfao ...But it's also not ******* canon like several 40K games so to each their own, or should I say, it's one-way canon.

Oh, that's good. You got the martial art/skill scan with you? I might add on the profiles.

I do not. Every martial art comes from the Officio Assassinorum AKA Agents the Imperium Codexes(IIRC), facing off zerg numbers is just any time there's a Tyranid invasion, so Space Marine 2, most Tyranid codexes etcetera, picking up any weapon and just knowing is literally any game you play as an Astartes in.

They've also been expanding their dueling abilities for 10,000 years and some can even get some over on folks like Lucius the Eternal who was previously one of the top dogs in the Horus Heresy(Hammer and Bolter)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I saw as you a supporter on the 40k page, so I thought it was fine. Still, having a staff taking a look is nice.


Oh, that's good. You got the martial art/skill scan with you? I might add on the profiles.

I have very niche Warhammer knowledge. I've read the first couple novels of the Horus Heresy and I've played a few of the games. I do actually really wanna play Rogue Trader, I've watched a friend play it, but my knowledge on it is fairly shallow. If you ever wanna work on Dawn of War, though, I'm your fella.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I have very niche Warhammer knowledge. I've read the first couple novels of the Horus Heresy and I've played a few of the games. I do actually really wanna play Rogue Trader, I've watched a friend play it, but my knowledge on it is fairly shallow.

It's pretty good, IMO. Just don't go in expecting Baldur's Gate 3, because that is the outlier, it's good for this kind of game and not a straight up masterpiece.

If you ever wanna work on Dawn of War, though, I'm your fella.

Farseer Macha

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Gabriel Angelos

Gabriel Angelos is the current Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens, and former Captain of that Chapter's 3rd Company. Angelos was responsible for slaying the Chapter's former Chapter Master and Chief Librarian, Azariah Kyras, who had become a pawn of Chaos. Angelos is notorious for being...

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Now I want to see that Bambu quality with these dogshit profiles lmfao

 

[Tomfer]

If you ever wanna work on Dawn of War, though, I'm your fella.

Oh, Dawn of War made me a Tau fan. So I was planning on making a Shas'O Kais profile. I'm aware he later appears in a few guide books.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It's pretty good, IMO. Just don't go in expecting Baldur's Gate 3, because that is the outlier, it's good for this kind of game and not a straight up masterpiece.

Farseer Macha

Macha is a Farseer and Psyker of the Eldar Craftworld of Biel-Tan. She is a wise and knowledgeable prophet, unable to leave the Path of the Seer, but also a fierce warrior who leads Biel-Tan's armies in battle across the galaxy. A long time ago, Macha sealed a Greater Daemon of Khorne inside the...

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Gabriel Angelos

Gabriel Angelos is the current Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens, and former Captain of that Chapter's 3rd Company. Angelos was responsible for slaying the Chapter's former Chapter Master and Chief Librarian, Azariah Kyras, who had become a pawn of Chaos. Angelos is notorious for being...

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Now I want to see that Bambu quality with these dogshit profiles lmfao

I haven't made profiles in literally years, man, I'm pretty sure the Bambu quality is dogshit

 

[DaReaperMan]

I haven't made profiles in literally years, man, I'm pretty sure the Bambu quality is dogshit

Sounds like a good time to get that shit up and running again! Ain't like either of those two will ever see matches because one is a ******* Psyker and the other is a Space Marine at the same tier as Demetrian

 

[Tomfer]

And the only problem here is maybe Abelard, seeing as there's nothing special about him lmfao ...But it's also not ******* canon like several 40K games so to each their own, or should I say, it's one-way canon.

Oh, I missed this message. I think the scaling Astartes here is fine because the story tries it's best to hammer the idea that you're so far away from the rest of the universe that you're totally alone with what you got, an in-lore way to say it's one-way canon, and it's a RPG, by default, the characters are growing far stronger than what others could achieve in-lore.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh, I missed this message. I think the scaling Astartes here is fine because the story tries it's best to hammer the idea that you're so far away from the rest of the universe that you're totally alone with what you got, an in-lore way to say it's one-way canon, and it's a RPG, by default, the characters are growing far stronger than what others could achieve in-lore.

Generally, an Astartes could effortlessly crush a non-Astartes' skull with one hand among humans. That's why I say that there could be problems because memes aside normal humans are literal cannon fodder to an Astartes physically, and it doesn't matter how badass you are unless you got weapons on their level or are wearing insane armour.

 

[Tomfer]

I recommend two keys overall though: Chapters 1-3 | Chapters 4-5.

Updated the Heinrix blog with this.

Generally, an Astartes could effortlessly crush a non-Astartes' skull with one hand among humans. That's why I say that there could be problems because memes aside normal humans are literal cannon fodder to an Astartes physically, and it doesn't matter how badass you are unless you got weapons on their level or are wearing insane armour.

Tthat's what happens when you're the favorite and most popular, the more content = more chances to eventually become "fodder."