Ha Dowan's 3x Charge Shot Multiplier

[WindyAttack]

Hey so i think we can probably get a multiplier for Charge Shot.

Firstly we have these two calcs, first of Dae Bujin who's stronger than Base Dowan and second one of Charge Shot Dowan. Now the difference between these calcs is almost 3 times, so i think it'd be safe to assume that Level 3 Charge Shot is, at the bare minimum, a 3x multiplier.

Now for us to build consistency, the artist who's heavily involved with Reality Quest's creation and often exchanges ideas with the author even stated that Charge Shot doubles in power at every level. Even the booster we use today came from his ideas. Now of course this interpretation wouldn't really make much sense, but this should at least help support consistency for a Level 3 Charge Shot multiplier.

Now then, we have the other 7 levels of Charge Shot, and it's stated both in the card and by the author that the power increases with each level, so i believe Level 10 Charge Shot should reasonably be around a 5x multiplier.

Now this should also be consistent because whenever Dowan uses his Charge Shot, his enemies either get one-shotted or heavily damaged. For example, when he was fighting the Rep of the Bully Association, he practically one-shotted two Rep-level fighters with his Charge Shot, even though the Moon guy alone was enough to overpower him earlier.

Now if this thread gets accepted, it should upscale Dowan using this feat.

That feat is 8-C, and if we multiply it by 3 times, then Charge Shot Dowan would be High 8-C.

Now for those who would scale to this Charge Shot, i think it's probably just Sunjae and Min Yul, and nobody else should scale to them since Sunjae is stated to be the strongest force of the Bully Alliance and the strongest enemy acknowledged by the system.

Agree: @Aksh_sky @Pettam33 (He believes it should be a little higher)

Neutral: @CatLover313

Disagree:

 

[Aksh_sky]

Hey so i think we can probably get a multiplier for Charge Shot.

Firstly we have these two calcs, first of Dae Bujin who's stronger than Base Dowan and second one of Charge Shot Dowan. Now the difference between these calcs is almost 3 times, so i think it'd be safe to assume that Level 3 Charge Shot is, at the bare minimum, a 3x multiplier.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CatLover313/Reality_Quest:_Dae_Bujin_casually_destroys_a_Wall

Reality Quest : Dowan throws a powerful punch

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Now for us to build consistency, the artist who's heavily involved with Reality Quest's creation and often exchanges ideas with the author even stated that Charge Shot doubles in power at every level. Even the booster we use today came from his ideas. Now of course this interpretation wouldn't really make much sense, but this should at least help support consistency for a Level 3 Charge Shot multiplier.

Now then, we have the other 7 levels of Charge Shot, and it's stated both in the card and by the author that the power increases with each level, so i believe Level 10 Charge Shot should reasonably be around a 5x multiplier.

Now if this thread gets accepted, it should upscale Dowan using this feat.

Dowan destroys A botanical Garden

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That feat is 8-C, and if we multiply it by 3 times, then Charge Shot Dowan would be High 8-C.

Now for those who would scale to this Charge Shot, i think it's probably just Sunjae and Min Yul, and nobody else should scale to them since Sunjae is stated to be the strongest force of the Bully Alliance and the strongest enemy acknowledged by the system.

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I disagree on assuming levels as multipliers cuz u can't really do that without proper substance, as you can only use that either for consistency for a stated multiplier or just to simply say that A upscales from B via better stat levels.

But about the blatently stated multipliers, it looks fine so I agree with that. Tsung really carrying the rq scaling with his insta ngl.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Yeah the 3x and 5x thing don't work, you can't get multipliers via assumptions like Aksh pointed out

Is there a scan of the og korean of the "doubles in power at every level" statement since the wiki doesn't allow machine translations

 

[WindyAttack]

I disagree on assuming levels as multipliers cuz u can't really do that without proper substance, as you can only use that either for consistency for a stated multiplier or just to simply say that A upscales from B via better stat levels.

But about the blatently stated multipliers, it looks fine so I agree with that. Tsung really carrying the rq scaling with his insta ngl.

I believe These two together should at least warrant a 3x multiplier

 

[WindyAttack]

Yeah the 3x and 5x thing don't work, you can't get multipliers via assumptions like Aksh pointed out

Is there a scan of the og korean of the "doubles in power at every level" statement since the wiki doesn't allow machine translations

This isn't really assumptions it's multiple times shown in RQ that Characters Get Heavily damaged from charge shot while they weren't earlier (some times they get one shot)

And this is supported by Bujin and Dowans Charge Shot calcs difference (also this same method was used for Boosters 7.7 Multiplier results)

Also here's the artist scan

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[CatLover313]

Pretty sure that specific instagram message was put into question on the Reality Quest discussion thread (here, page 9). There are many questionable things about that specific message ngl, kind of why I shared a imgur link with screenshots proven legitimate (i.e. messages I asked and received, confirmed by others, etc) or likely legit (contains details proven true and too detailed). Everything else that's not on that link basically shouldn't be trusted.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Pretty sure that specific instagram message was put into question on the Reality Quest discussion thread (here, page 9). There are many questionable things about that specific message ngl, kind of why I shared a imgur link with screenshots proven legitimate (i.e. messages I asked and received, confirmed by others, etc) or likely legit (contains details proven true and too detailed). Everything else that's not on that link basically shouldn't be trusted.

Again, if the booster one could be real according to you then why can't be this one? But both statements are extremely similar.

 

[CatLover313]

Again, if the booster one could be real according to you then why can't be this one? But both statements are extremely similar.

Mainly two things (ig 3 things as it was deemed reliable by other staff too). Contains a lot of specific detail on how the idea of booster came up and also, we can see the image of the ig handle on top. I don't trust the Charge Shot one because it's not that detailed along with not containing the ig handle on top.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Mainly two things (ig 3 things as it was deemed reliable by other staff too). Contains a lot of specific detail on how the idea of booster came up and also, we can see the image of the ig handle on top. I don't trust the Charge Shot one because it's not that detailed along with not containing the ig handle on top.

So it's about trust now? I feel like if writers or artists are getting time to reply it then it doens't necessarily needs to be detailed in order to be true...unless they don't have work or something like that. I think all Tsung powerscaling statements are very similar and he seemingly tends to answer powerscaling questions directly, so ig it looks good and is consistent with his tone he wrote his booster statement.

Cuz we can't just reject statements based on how it 'feels', neither can we accept it.

And speaking of the top of the image then it doesn't really matter in insta ngl since he didn't really replied in the same screenshot.

 

[CatLover313]

So it's about trust now? I feel like if writers or artists are getting time to reply it then it doens't necessarily needs to be detailed in order to be true...unless they don't have work or something like that. I think all Tsung powerscaling statements are very similar and he seemingly tends to answer powerscaling questions directly, so ig it looks good and is consistent with his tone he wrote his booster statement.

Cuz we can't just reject statements based on how it 'feels', neither can we accept it.

And speaking of the top of the image then it doesn't really matter in insta ngl since he didn't really replied in the same screenshot.

I mean, I would rather have the evidence show both detailed messages + ig handle on top and even then, the booster CRT had the staff require said statements include the opinion of the author. I don't think this one will work as it's just the artists opinion and not him reiterating the belief of the author.

 

[Aksh_sky]

I mean, I would rather have the evidence show both detailed messages + ig handle on top and even then, the booster CRT had the staff require said statements include the opinion of the author. I don't think this one will work as it's just the artists opinion and not him reiterating the belief of the author.

Wait but the boosters are accepted, no? If that did then this should too. Ig we'll need staff's opinion or som.

 

[CatLover313]

Wait but the boosters are accepted, no? If that did then this should too. Ig we'll need staff's opinion or som.

It was accepted because it was a comment of the artist saying "the author believes its this much" which was the main selling point I believe (kinda why no other statement has been used on here besides for fun off-topic stuff)

 

[Aksh_sky]

It was accepted because it was a comment of the artist saying "the author believes its this much" which was the main selling point I believe (kinda why no other statement has been used on here besides for fun off-topic stuff)

Via the statement, Tsung seems to be very close to the author. So every statement that's given is from author's knowledge. For example how once it's stated that Sunjae would detsroy cities in future or som, most likely is also from the knowledge of author's writing because Tsung must know what he'll write and all and same goes with his capabilities.

 

[CatLover313]

Via the statement, Tsung seems to be very close to the author. So every statement that's given is from author's knowledge. For example how once it's stated that Sunjae would detsroy cities in future or som, most likely is also from the knowledge of author's writing because Tsung must know what he'll write and all and same goes with his capabilities.

Yeah, but then this statement happened (link here), which made staff only allow artist statements that include direct lines of author's intentions/opinion.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Yeah, but then this statement happened (link here), which made staff only allow artist statements that include direct lines of author's intentions/opinion.

In this statement he said that it's difficult for him to talk to the author which implies that they aren't close but they actually are.

They play games together and talk alot together apparently. So if he gets the knowledge about multipliers from the author and said the booster was his Idea, then the artists not interfering author statement doens't makes sense anymore.

That means Tsung has authority to pass statements about verse knowledge as he knows what's gonna happen and all that, he might be reffering to non main artists and he might be outlier of his statement.

 

[WindyAttack]

Pretty sure that specific instagram message was put into question on the Reality Quest discussion thread (here, page 9). There are many questionable things about that specific message ngl, kind of why I shared a imgur link with screenshots proven legitimate (i.e. messages I asked and received, confirmed by others, etc) or likely legit (contains details proven true and too detailed). Everything else that's not on that link basically shouldn't be trusted.

I mean shouldn't a 3x multiplier should be fine since it's consistent with the calcs and whenever Dowan uses charge shot it either one shots his opponent's or heavily damages them

And yea the artist statement is just for supporting argument it isn't the main focus here

 

[CatLover313]

I mean shouldn't a 3x multiplier should be fine since it's consistent with the calcs and whenever Dowan uses charge shot it either one shots his opponent's or heavily damages them

And yea the artist statement is just for supporting argument it isn't the main focus here

Ig if it's just supporting evidence, I won't talk about it anymore. But for the 3x due to calcs, hmm, I asked before and was told it wouldn't work by another member (non-staff), ig I'll leave it up to staff.

 

[WindyAttack]

Ig if it's just supporting evidence, I won't talk about it anymore. But for the 3x due to calcs, hmm, I asked before and was told it wouldn't work by another member (non-staff), ig I'll leave it up to staff.

I remember they used falcon drops calc to get a 7.7 Multiplier for booster right?

 

[CatLover313]

I remember they used falcon drops calc to get a 7.7 Multiplier for booster right?

Yeah, but I believe the ig comment was the main evidence for the multiplier, and the calc was the supporting evidence for the number. After all, the calc was removed, so it just got dropped down to 5x

 

[WindyAttack]

Yeah, but I believe the ig comment was the main evidence for the multiplier, and the calc was the supporting evidence for the number. After all, the calc was removed, so it just got dropped down to 5x

I am pretty sure 7.7 Multiplier was applied before statement was made then due to the statement it got reduced back down to 5

 

[CatLover313]

I am pretty sure 7.7 Multiplier was applied before statement was made then due to the statement it got reduced back down to 5

I always assumed it was cuz of the statement and before the statement, it was more of a self-justification kinda thing like, its a possibly argument in versus threads but not enough for an actual 100% approved rating. Well, I won’t go against this thread, I’ll just spectate mostly

 

[WindyAttack]

I always assumed it was cuz of the statement and before the statement, it was more of a self-justification kinda thing like, its a possibly argument in versus threads but not enough for an actual 100% approved rating. Well, I won’t go against this thread, I’ll just spectate mostly

So you are neutral on this?

 

[CatLover313]

So you are neutral on this?

Yes

 

[WindyAttack]

Bump

 

[Pettam33]

Hey so i think we can probably get a multiplier for Charge Shot.

Firstly we have these two calcs, first of Dae Bujin who's stronger than Base Dowan and second one of Charge Shot Dowan. Now the difference between these calcs is almost 3 times, so i think it'd be safe to assume that Level 3 Charge Shot is, at the bare minimum, a 3x multiplier.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CatLover313/Reality_Quest:_Dae_Bujin_casually_destroys_a_Wall

Reality Quest : Dowan throws a powerful punch

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Now for us to build consistency, the artist who's heavily involved with Reality Quest's creation and often exchanges ideas with the author even stated that Charge Shot doubles in power at every level. Even the booster we use today came from his ideas. Now of course this interpretation wouldn't really make much sense, but this should at least help support consistency for a Level 3 Charge Shot multiplier.

Now then, we have the other 7 levels of Charge Shot, and it's stated both in the card and by the author that the power increases with each level, so i believe Level 10 Charge Shot should reasonably be around a 5x multiplier.

Now this should also be consistent because whenever Dowan uses his charge shot his enemies get either one shot or heavily damaged for example when he was fighting Rep of bully association he just practically one shot that Moon Guy with his charge shot who was able to somewhat match him earlier

Now if this thread gets accepted, it should upscale Dowan using this feat.

Dowan destroys A botanical Garden

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That feat is 8-C, and if we multiply it by 3 times, then Charge Shot Dowan would be High 8-C.

Now for those who would scale to this Charge Shot, i think it's probably just Sunjae and Min Yul, and nobody else should scale to them since Sunjae is stated to be the strongest force of the Bully Alliance and the strongest enemy acknowledged by the system.

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Agree: @Aksh_sky

Neutral: @CatLover313

Disagree:

Well... By technicalities, you aren't inherently wrong, but you aren't totally correct either... What we have calced (being the 3× amp at level 3) is technically wrong, by proxy of the official info about charge shot doubling each level. Which would be a 2³ or 8× increase on dowans base AP.

I guess, since we have to account for charge shot, imo we can definitely utilize the lower-end interpretation being 3× for now, so I suppose I can agree with this, somewhat.

 

[WindyAttack]

Bump

Well... By technicalities, you aren't inherently wrong, but you aren't totally correct either... What we have calced (being the 3× amp at level 3) is technically wrong, by proxy of the official info about charge shot doubling each level. Which would be a 2³ or 8× increase on dowans base AP.

I guess, since we have to account for charge shot, imo we can definitely utilize the lower-end interpretation being 3× for now, so I suppose I can agree with this, somewhat.

I believe 8x is a bit high ball since we don't really have any proofs supporting this except artist statements

So i believe 3x should be a good multiplier or maybe we can push it to 5x with level 10

 

[Mercury009]

Neutral, more lenient on the disagree. Charge shot has actually 10 levels, shown in an Instagram post of the artist I believe, which would make this multiplier an outlier. We have seen a max charge shot punch and it created nowhere near the amount of destruction it should have done.

 

[WindyAttack]

Neutral, more lenient on the disagree. Charge shot has actually 10 levels, shown in an Instagram post of the artist I believe, which would make this multiplier an outlier. We have seen a max charge shot punch and it created nowhere near the amount of destruction it should have done.

Are We forgetting that a casual Charge Shot from Dowan Knocked out a rep who was previously on dowans level

And i don't really think 3x is far fetched

 

[WindyAttack]

Bump

 

[Aksh_sky]

Well... By technicalities, you aren't inherently wrong, but you aren't totally correct either... What we have calced (being the 3× amp at level 3) is technically wrong, by proxy of the official info about charge shot doubling each level. Which would be a 2³ or 8× increase on dowans base AP.

I guess, since we have to account for charge shot, imo we can definitely utilize the lower-end interpretation being 3× for now, so I suppose I can agree with this, somewhat.

Again, as I've already stated that multipkiers doesn't work like that. We need a direct statement for a stat change to considered as a multiplier.

 

[WindyAttack]

Bump