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The Final Midway Mortal Kombat CRT of the VS Wiki

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This has been a long time coming, for better or worse, this is the beginning of the end.

We'll start with the minor stuff and work our way up

Part 1: Minor Profile Clean-Up
A short list of minor gripes with some current profiles that need some clean-up:
  • Reiko
    • Remove the unjustified abilities: "Regeneration (Mid), Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Self-Sustenance (Type 2), and Resistance to Telekinesis"
    • Downgrade his projectile range to just tens of meters just like everyone else
  • Goro
    • Give him a range of several meters with his ground tremors and giant leaps
    • Remove his fire breathe, since it was introduced in MKX and not the Midway games
  • Shang Tsung
    • Give his projectiles a range of tens of meters just like everyone else, as well as extended melee range with his sword and soul steal
    • Give his portal creation Low Multiversal range since it allows travel throughout the realms
    • Homing Attack
  • Onaga
    • This new Superhuman flight speed feat, only for his travel speed and nothing else
  • Motaro
    • Being a centaur, it's reasonable to assume he has the travel speed comparable to that of a real horse
  • Havik
Part 2: Speed Revisions
It's already accepted that everyone scales off of Quan-Chi blocking Raiden's lightning, the thing is that everyone is able to move in tandem with Raiden's lightning, even up to a Sub-Relativistic yield. So I propose we replace the Massively Hypersonic+ rating with Sub-Relativistic.

Part 3: Tier Upgrades and UES
Now for the good stuff.

First and foremost, Midway Mortal Kombat operates under a Universal Energy System as explained here. Let's go over some facts:

1) Shang Tsung can use his magic destructively, and enhancing his magical potency requires enhancing his physical strength.

2) Earthrealm warriors use their inner strength and body energies to manifest their projectiles.

3) Shao Kahn's powers are enhanced when merging realms, including his strength as seen in MK3 where Liu Kang wouldn't have defeated him without a rage boost despite defeating him previously in the Outworld tournament. His defeat and the unmerging of both Earthrealm and Edenia left him depowered.

4) All the warriors in the battle under the Pyramid of Argus, through fighting one another, contribute to the destruction of the realms through Armageddon.

These suit the requirements of a Universal Energy System, particularly:

  • "a character or the system they are using must have explanations or showings that indicate that the powers which should scale to each other draw from the same source of power (or can convert between the different kinds of power) and use up a similar amount of power to each other"
  • "they have to demonstrate or have reliable statements that all their supernatural or otherwise non-physical powers scale to each other in Attack Potency. Hence an increase in power / energy should correspond to a proportional increase in the potency of their powers and abilities"
  • "they have to demonstrate that they can channel their power through their own bodies in a way that quantifiably enhances them or otherwise allows scaling of their supernatural powers through their physicals"
  • "If the power source or universal energy system should be removed from a user by some means that should result in a notable loss in physical strength or alternatively even in physical harm or death"

Now, for the specific tier changes:

An old Shang Tsung, prior to being restored to his prime, used his magic to cause violent tremors across his island (as see in Shaolin Monks) to a 6-C yield. This is before his power was multiplied upon Shao Kahn restoring his prime or being granted even more power on top of that for the Earthrealm invasion.


6-C was quickly shot down, so we're not doing that.

As stated above, all 59 warriors (Armageddon's entire roster minus Taven, Daegon, Blaze, and the two custom characters) taking part in the battle under the Pyramid of Argus were responsible for causing Armageddon, which would throughly destroy the entire 2-C cosmology.

So the tier revisions will go as follows:

  • All the 8-Cs will be changed to 6-C
  • All the High 8-Cs will be changed to twice the lesser 6-Cs
  • All the 7-Cs will be changed to 2-C, massively downscaling the cosmology
Here is a new profile for Shao Kahn to top it all off as well.

I can already hear protests about consistency, so let's address the anti-feats. This'll be quick, because there aren't any:
  • Test Your Might is done easily by every character in the original game, without having to power up or any other indication of it being a "peak feat"
  • The feats in this compilation are either via state transitions that anyone can do and survive, or done casually by a fodder ice beast, again without any indication of being "peak feats"
  • All the 9-A to 8-C fatalities done to Cyrax are based on the assumption that Cyrax is only as durable as a real human and real steel, most are done easily by the characters in question, and ultimately are just instances of characters harming one another, which remains consistent regardless of what tier the characters in question are
  • Taven survives a High 8-C meteor without much trouble, getting up immediately afterwards
  • Raiden's Low 7-C sacrifice blast is just the side-effect of the blast, as he was directing it onto Onaga in the hopes of killing him, who is currently accepted to have 2-C durability due to the narrative stakes of Deception, and therefore it is not indicative to any peak in power for Raiden
  • Blaze's 7-C cloud-moving is done easily, without him attacking or really doing anything.
  • Cyrax's Low 7-B self-destruction is just based on the range of the explosion, not what the explosion actually destroys, we see in Sektor's MK3 ending that his self-destruction is sufficient to not only destroy Kahn's Fortress, but even an amped Kahn himself (already accepted to be 2-C as per Liu Kang's profile) as Earthrealm gets unmerged with Outworld which only can happen upon Kahn's death/defeat as it was his presence that merged the realms.
In summary, all the anti-feats against 6-C and 2-C ratings are either done casually or the current calcs aren't indicative of their potency according to the lore of the games they take part in.


That's all for this one, Midway Mortal Kombat revisions and I have had a good run together, but now I think it's time we part ways.

Agree: DaReaperMan, Legion350, TheHedgememe, [B]Theglassman12[/B], Pepsimanslover, BlackDarkness679, RaikiKurohane99, Hellbeast

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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Gonna be honest... I think 6-C is an outlier either way. It's one feat vs like, a bunch of tier 9/8 stuff. Keep in mind, 7-C comes from a ******* top-tier in Blaze(who really should be 2-C), and has no business even sort of scaling to the current tier 8s. And that's the highest non-self destruction feat calculated besides something in the gigatons.

To put it into perspective, the Blaze feat is 606,068.995x lesser than the island feat. Over half a million. And that's not from someone who scales to any of the current tier 8s

The rest is fine.
 
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Gonna be honest... I think 6-C is an outlier either way. It's one feat vs like, a bunch of tier 9/8 stuff. Keep in mind, 7-C comes from a ******* top-tier in Blaze(who really should be 2-C), and has no business even sort of scaling to the current tier 8s. And that's the highest non-self destruction feat calculated besides something in the gigatons.

To put it into perspective, the Blaze feat is 606,068.995x lesser than the island feat. Over half a million. And that's not from someone who scales to any of the current tier 8s

The rest is fine.
I’ve never been in a fight before, but I’ve swatted a lot of flies. I have many more feats of below average human feats than average human level, yet I am more than capable of lifting a barbell.
 
I’ve never been in a fight before, but I’ve swatted a lot of flies. I have many more feats of below average human feats than average human level, yet I am more than capable of lifting a barbell.
The difference between you and a fly is less than 2,429,246,760x, I'm sure.

You don't seem to quite realize how much proof you actually need to jump 11 entire ass tiers. 2.4292 BILLION is not a number to scoff at. That is only 3.45x less than the amount of human on this PLANET. I need more than one feat and zero tier 7 support to justify this sort of an upgrade.
 
The difference between you and a fly is less than 2,429,246,760x, I'm sure.

You don't seem to quite realize how much proof you actually need to jump 11 entire ass tiers. 2.4292 BILLION is not a number to scoff at. That is only 3.45x less than the amount of human on this PLANET. I need more than one feat and zero tier 7 support to justify this sort of an upgrade.
Alright.
 
I’m in agreement with DaReaper. Unless there are a lot more consistent Tier 6 feats, it doesn’t make sense to make the entire cast 6-C.

That’s said, I’m fine with the 2-C stuff, Blaze should’ve been 2-C the moment we decided each realm is Low 2-C. Plus in Armageddon we get plenty of statements that the cast have become threats to realms, so that’s pretty blatant. On board with the downscaling
 
2-C stuff in particular checks out to me, especially how Shao Khan just gets amped after merging the realms he conquers with Outworld and the Armageddon stuff. Honestly insane how Mortal Kombat's got these arguments, but I'm for it.

No opinion on the 6-C stuff since I'm admittedly not the most knowledgeable about MK's extended lore, only really played it and learned of its worldbuilding secondhand as a kid.
 
To clarify, what are the mechanics of merging a realm?

A being powerful enough, for a lack of better words, just raises their hands with power and pushes them together?
It's a tad unclear in the Midway era, MK3 only indicates that Kahn stepping into Earthrealm is sufficient to merge the realm, and Deadly Alliance indicates Kahn creates an orb to keep the realms merged. But I suppose that's not a bad analogy.
 
Honestly if characters will downscale from Blaze 2-C, roster in Deception should as well, as Shujinko absorbed their energy to beat Onaga with all kamidogus and anyone familiar knows how powerful that is
 
I’m in agreement with DaReaper. Unless there are a lot more consistent Tier 6 feats, it doesn’t make sense to make the entire cast 6-C.

That’s said, I’m fine with the 2-C stuff, Blaze should’ve been 2-C the moment we decided each realm is Low 2-C. Plus in Armageddon we get plenty of statements that the cast have become threats to realms, so that’s pretty blatant. On board with the downscaling
I’m about the same
It’s also worth noting that, via arcade endings, this is even more consistent since
  • Shao has apparently destroyed entire realms
  • Blaze’s power is only a 10X amp
  • multiple fighters basically destroy or remake the entire cosmology with Blaze’s power.
  • Blaze’s power allows you to rival or solo the Elder Gods.

Normally I’m not one for arcade endings but we know at least Shao Kahn’s is likely canon since he canonically won Armageddon as per MK9, meaning he at the very least outright scales to Blaze.
 
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Honestly if characters will downscale from Blaze 2-C, roster in Deception should as well, as Shujinko absorbed their energy to beat Onaga with all kamidogus and anyone familiar knows how powerful that is
Actually good catch
It fits with stuff like Liu Kang already scaling above Shao via Rage Boosts and it’s not even that crazy since Onaga returns and is relevant within Armageddon
 
Also there arent any other feats around tier 6 range or close to it? Tier 2 stuff started to be a thing around MK3 the moment realm merging and all that began to be a thing and Shinnok had something of that nature too around MK4 and Raiden speech

Shang Tsung having a tier 6 feat at the beginning and using a tier 7 cloud feat from Blaze to deny that is ridiculous, Blaze is a 2-C character in reality
 
It's a tad unclear in the Midway era, MK3 only indicates that Kahn stepping into Earthrealm is sufficient to merge the realm, and Deadly Alliance indicates Kahn creates an orb to keep the realms merged.
Iirc that orb was when Kahn didnt have the strength to keep a merger combined by himself given he was weak, Nitara also withstood a blast from it too or something, which further shown consistency
 
I think it’s said that he created the orb way back in the day.
Iirc he did, it’s what helps sustain the connection.

Could we also note the statements from John Tobias considering the cosmology, iirc he’s got a few comments implying the realms are infinite reflections of each other
 
I was meaning to add this, but I forgot: currently Armageddon Havik is scaled to Taven specifically because an identical apparition to him fought Taven, however Shinnok stated Taven defeated all of his apparitions with ease, so this scaling should be removed.
Yeah there should be a note on his profile that this isn’t the actual Havik but a clone created by Shinnok

It’s also worth noting in Shinnok’s page since these apparitions could fight Taven convincingly enough he didn’t realise they were illusions
 
Yeah there should be a note on his profile that this isn’t the actual Havik but a clone created by Shinnok

It’s also worth noting in Shinnok’s page since these apparitions could fight Taven convincingly enough he didn’t realise they were illusions
When a Midway Shinnok profile is made, that is.
 
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