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Idk man. I think 1.2x would be better for safety. You should still ask the staff.
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Yeah, in the thread link I sent earlier, they might be reducing it to 1.1x
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Nah, piercing damage/claws don’t count for dura neg, not even limited dura neg. The durability wiki page accounts for piercing damage in the surface area section. Even characters like Wolverine and Vega who are claw users don’t get it and we just need to attribute their extra piercing damage to surface area concentration.
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I also thought we could consider it Duraneg because of the cutting pressure, since Paecheon Jo could at least slice through buildings without looking like simple fragmentation. But I guess it'll just count as a Damage Boost.
Btw, Paecheon Jo's profile is coming soon.
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Question about his Profile
Should This be counted as a separate unique skills, since it comes via Hwarang? Or is it just an extension of Black Needle because it uses the same two masteries?
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It needs to damage the internal organs.
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I don't believe Gun's organs are 9-A while the rest of his body is High 8-C; the idea that internal tissue is weaker than external tissue has been disproven. It actually seems to me that it's due to him being a limited Pressure Point/Duraneg.
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I consider it an independent Unique Skill, except that all Unique Skills that are not haxes will be added to Notable Attacks/Techniques
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I didn't say his body is High 8-C. Like I said, his heart withstood Warren's attack.
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Well even irl whip cracks are sonic speed as it's the ONLY WEAPON HUMANS CAN USE AT SONIC SPEED. So Goo didn't really made a statement regarding anyone specifically, he was likely talking about average humans same as humans irl who can use whips at sonic speed with enough training. Goo was just stating a fact regarding normal humans because the main lookism cast are far stronger than just an average human in ptj verse.
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That should be supersonic+ since Paecheon scales above MK Goo who performs 731m/s feat.
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I didn't say I agreed with a speed of sound max cap, just brought up what I've seen about it (and honestly, I didn't agree with it anyway)
Coming together to make a thread for an agreed chain scaling will be like a 10-page-long thread..... but probably necessary tbh
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This would be cool but looking at the amount of charecters the ptj verse has and the in-verse takes, it's definitely not possible. It's better to js put the obvious ones in a tl like placements.
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Make a Jinrang profile
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That's what I'll do. Several profiles are needed, but I'll try to focus on the most relevant ones from the recent story arcs.
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You know, the real problem with scaling isn't that we don't know who scales and who doesn't. The real problem is that the profiles are so outdated that the actual levels the characters should have are very vague if we're going by the pages, which practically confuses anyone reading the verse.
Literally, right now nobody scales to Johan's 9-A+, and yet he appears in 90% of the Lookism profiles. Or, for example, most of Gen 2 is 9-A since the 3A arc.
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Progress on Paecheon Jo's profile. I think the only relevant thing missing is compiling all the Unique Skills in notable attacks, but I'm really too lazy to look for all the scans.
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That’s not how multipliers work. They come from direct expressions.
At first, I thought it would be 1.2x better. But no. Unless it’s explicitly stated, it won’t be accepted that way.
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What why? Paecheon Jo was compared to Shingen meanwhile goo while fighting Jincheol wasn't even serious and wasn't even using swords and it was before he trained or even before 1A when he fought MK.
Also before Goo blitzing Paecheon, Goo was getting overwhelmed before using 5th moonlight. His 2nd,3rd,4th moonlight MUST be faster than his base since it's literally stated that each moonlight increases his speed.
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I think what he means is that, according to site standards, we can't create a multiplier without a direct justification in most cases, especially since the site's speed standards are more stringent than AP multipliers.
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Can probs add Afterimage creation which he did against Goo, Goo technically has weapon creation (kinda disagree as that’s actually more of creating a material weapon out of nowhere) but if Goo has it, Paecheon should too due to him using those chopsticks, technically you can account the healing to blood manipulation but probs best as limited and only for healing, does dark crocodile transformation boost his stats too? Might be misremembering.
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Is the discussion on 1.1-1.2x about multipliers or upscaling? If their current speed/ap/whatever value is 1.1-1.2x away from the next rating, it can be possible for an upscale if it’s shown said upscaled character is way stronger. If we’re hoping for it to be an actual multiplier? Yeah no way will that work
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I don't think that's enough evidence to give him weapon creation. Goo has it because he can technically sharpen some weapons or improvise to create them (although it should be limited, but that will change later). Blood Blackening's Unique Skill is based on Endurance Mastery, so it increases resistance as well. There's also a statement from Paecheon saying he became stronger upon transforming, but I'm not sure what he means by that.
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My idea was a multiplier, but if it can be done by scaling, that's fine too. Increasing the speed is secondary right now, though.
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Read this.
Multipliers
A multiplier is generally some number a different number is multiplied with to get a new number. For our VS Battles use we more specifically refer to a number as multiplier, if that number is multiplied with some statistic of a character or its attacks to get a new statistic for the character...
vsbattles.fandom.com
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Perhaps we have a multiplier for Goo 50M, since I believe that during HFG Goo mentions that the Moonlight techniques increased his speed and that was when he had 4 Moonlight techniques, currently having 50 techniques we could say that he has at least a 2x multiplier.Read this.
Multipliers
A multiplier is generally some number a different number is multiplied with to get a new number. For our VS Battles use we more specifically refer to a number as multiplier, if that number is multiplied with some statistic of a character or its attacks to get a new statistic for the character...
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"Multipliers come from direct statements instead of being reasoned from something else."
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Sorry to interrupt
But quick question about This Panel is this Fear Inducing or Instigating Fear via SI, got a bit confused with the building shaking statement
But quick question about This Panel is this Fear Inducing or Instigating Fear via SI, got a bit confused with the building shaking statement
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I think it's Fear Instigation via SI
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Surprise! At least he is on his way there. And there was indeed a punching bag just didn't expect it to be Vasco/Jay
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James called Kitae and Changsu young, i checked the raws and he was talking to himself. He didn't question or anything.
James is like 23 and even Seongji called him a kid while Kitae is 28 and Changsu is literally a dad. Ig this confirms that James is Charles's second body.
Also, Hivegoons clearly morphed the context, the conversation between James and Kitae was important. I read raws so ik that the difference between hive scans and raws were very much.
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Massive Vasco upscale
