Childe vs Wilhelm [4-9-0] [Grace]

[SatellaTheWoE]

I saw the keys matched and thought "well that did be interesting"

Tartagalia: @AsterReal @InfiOthinus @MSahla @Puppet43
vs
Prime Sword Demon: @MasterOwOgay @VortechsTG @Shadowslash125 @Reiner04 @Doggo @AlipheeseXIV @CastoriceTheFifth @SatellaTheWoE @BoastJr

Both start at tier 7B
Speed is equalized
Starting distance is 20m
Fight takes place in...lets see...a forest with a lot of trees

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can Wilhelm cook him before he transforms

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Can Wilhelm cook him before he transforms

Essentially the matchup yes


I dont know if childe has passive smth smth to kill Wilhelm or not so i would like to see the arguments for if he transforms as well (Since if he was in a life or death situation wilhelm could rise to the ocassion)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Essentially the matchup yes


I dont know if childe has passive smth smth to kill Wilhelm or not so i would like to see the arguments for if he transforms as well (Since if he was in a life or death situation wilhelm could rise to the ocassion)

If he transforms into Foul Legacy then he passively emits abyssal energy which will kill someone with zero resistances in a minute

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

If he transforms into Foul Legacy then he passively emits abyssal energy which will kill someone with zero resistances in a minute

Okay makes sense then, so the matchup does boil down to if Childe will transform first or if Wilhelm can kill him first

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Okay makes sense then, so the matchup does boil down to if Childe will transform first or if Wilhelm can kill him first

Or just smack him out of it

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw if there was a genuine topic about Childe getting skill stomped by Demon Slayer characters then this brother is getting violated by Wilhelm in skill

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Or just smack him out of it

I am dying, i forgot about this

Btw if there was a genuine topic about Childe getting skill stomped by Demon Slayer characters then this brother is getting violated by Wilhelm in skill

Wilhelm doesnt have as big of a speed amp as Zenitsu thankfully, so it evens out

 

[Doggo]

Wilhelm is so goated

Easily within my top 5 as an anime only

 

[Doggo]

So aside from Abyss Energy does Childe have anything that stops a skill slop?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So aside from Abyss Energy does Childe have anything that stops a skill slop?

he has barriers, homing attacks, and hydro bomb and energy absorption if he lands a hit aside from his general stuff like turning into an element

Genshin supporters could probably help out w clarifications here

 

[MSahla]

Well, if you think he can't instantly transform into his Foul Legacy then you'd be wrong.

 

[Puppet43]

I dont know if childe has passive smth smth to kill Wilhelm or not so i would like to see the arguments for if he transforms as well

Passive Disease Manipulation just by being an elemental user and something something being able to open spatial rifts if he hits hard enough with elemental energy (Does this type of elemental manip grant durability negation? because that could be a win con)

 

[Puppet43]

Passive Disease Manipulation just by being an elemental user and something something being able to open spatial rifts if he hits hard enough with elemental energy (Does this type of elemental manip grant durability negation? because that could be a win con)

Also Childe has paralysis inducement which could help him keep Willhelm in place

 

[Doggo]

How fast can Wilhelm AD reach 6B?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Passive Disease Manipulation just by being an elemental user

this is useful, how fast does it act?

and something something being able to open spatial rifts if he hits hard enough with elemental energy (Does this type of elemental manip grant durability negation? because that could be a win con)

not on his profile, so it did be nice if you could provide scans

Also Childe has paralysis inducement which could help him keep Willhelm in place

how does it work?

How fast can Wilhelm AD reach 6B?

Depends, he wil typically keep getting faster and stronger however, if he gets in a life or death situation he did instantly get into it

 

[Doggo]

Depends, he wil typically keep getting faster and stronger however, if he gets in a life or death situation he did instantly get into it

Then I don't think Foul Legacy is much of a threat if Wilhelm closes the gap instantly

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Then I don't think Foul Legacy is much of a threat if Wilhelm closes the gap instantly

Childe has ways to one shot + a passive here

 

[Natsuki012]

not on his profile, so it did be nice if you could provide scans

it's on the elemental energy page

 

[Puppet43]

this is useful, how fast does it act?

• The Smaragdus Jadeite is a type of crystal resin that contains an immense concentration of elemental energy. Any non-allogene mortal who can't wield Elemental Power, will succumb to its effects and become sick or even experience a drastic change of personality, being a byproduct of exposed to its heavy elemental concentration

Bassicly upscaling a rock that does this

not on his profile, so it did be nice if you could provide scans

He has it, we just made a UES page because i dont want all profiles to have the same 50000 abilities that all UES characters have, but bassicly just click where it says "Elemental Energy"

• Spatial Manipulation (Strong attacks fueled with Elemental Energy can warp space itself. When these attacks are targeted at places where different spaces connect- such as the borders between two spaces, a rift can be torn between the two to allow travel between them.)

how does it work?

With his Electro attacks

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

• The Smaragdus Jadeite is a type of crystal resin that contains an immense concentration of elemental energy. Any non-allogene mortal who can't wield Elemental Power, will succumb to its effects and become sick or even experience a drastic change of personality, being a byproduct of exposed to its heavy elemental concentration

Bassicly upscaling a rock that does this

Ah okay, its not combat applicable then though

He has it, we just made a UES page because i dont want all profiles to have the same 50000 abilities that all UES characters have, but bassicly just click where it says "Elemental Energy"

• Spatial Manipulation (Strong attacks fueled with Elemental Energy can warp space itself. When these attacks are targeted at places where different spaces connect- such as the borders between two spaces, a rift can be torn between the two to allow travel between them.)

With his Electro attacks

Okay, so the main thing then becomes, how likely is childe to be able to land a hit before Wilhelm kills him

 

[Puppet43]

Ah okay, its not combat applicable then though

I mean its the high concentration of elemental energy what makes people gets disease, so should work like a passive

Okay, so the main thing then becomes, how likely is childe to be able to land a hit before Wilhelm kills him

Either via paralysis or extraordinary perception/enhanced senses

 

[MSahla]

Well first of all, the opponent needs to deal with these first, which all of them are passive once Childe transform into his Foul Legacy

• Corruption (Type 1 [Soul, Mind & Memories]; Any slight exposure to the Abyss can corrupt someone's entire being, to the point of entirely changing their personality. Lady Saiguu was one of the most known victims to have fallen into corruption by the abyss. Memories are existentially correspondent to souls.)
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3), Pain Manipulation & Information Manipulation (Type 1; The Dark Mud is a form of Abyssal Corruption and a form of forbidden knowledge in its original state. Pain, madness and chaos were instigated upon everyone in Sumeru when Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's consciousness was polluted by it. Forbidden knowledge originated from the very depths of the Abyss.)
  • Transmutation (Anyone who comes in touch with Abyssal Corruption can have their true forms deteriorated, and transform into mindless monsters. of the Abyss)

• Corrosion Inducement (Exposure to Abyssal Energy can cause severe corrosion upon its victims, to the point that its corrosion causes their gradual death.)

• Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation & Memory Manipulation (Direct contact with high concentration of Abyssal power causes irreversible mental trauma upon the majority; it is said to have both mental and physical repercussions. Memories are existentially correspondent to souls.)
  • Perception Manipulation (Il Capitano stated that the mental effects caused by Abyssal Energy will cause hallucinations upon its victims.)
• Darkness Manipulation (The darkness that flows across Enkanomiya originated from the Abyss and neither could humans or elemental beings, such as vishaps could endure it. The Abyss is a mysterious realm of endless darkness that is beneath and beyond the world of Teyvat. The darkness from the void exists beyond the order of Teyvat and its unknown chaos can stain Morax's pillars black.)
• Chaos Manipulation (Abyssal Energy is the source of chaos that occurs throughout the other 2 realms of the Universe. Whatever exists beyond the world of Teyvat lies unknown chaos.The forbidden knowledge that polluted Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's subsequently caused madness, pain and chaos around everyone of her environment. Surges of Abyssal Energy causes catastrophic repercussions upon Teyvat and humanity; a notable surge of Abyssal Energy was the cataclysm that occurred 500 years ago.The Abyss is chaos and nothingness itself.)
• Disease Manipulation (Elynas' corruption and flesh could produce allergies, confusions, vomits and other illness.)
• Statistics Amplification (Durin states that the nature of Abyssal energy can increase the power of any living beings.)

• Void Manipulation (The Abyss is chaos and nothingness itself.)
• Unholy Manipulation (Abyssal Energy is an "unworldly" power that is the diametrically opposition to Elemental Power. It carries various harmful and corruptive agents that wrecks havoc across the other two realms; the Human Realm and Light Realm cannot be compatible with the Void Realm, devastating to both.

 

[Natsuki012]

Either via paralysis or extraordinary perception/enhanced senses

childe can also use his Foul Legacy form almost instantly so this could help

 

[Doggo]

I mean its the high concentration of elemental energy what makes people gets disease, so should work like a passive

Wilhelm would probably try to get the job done quickly once he realizes he is on a timer and needs healing magic from Ferris

 

[Doggo]

Well first of all, the opponent needs to deal with these first, which all of them are passive once Childe transform into his Foul Legacy

Any if Childe's attacks have these hax right?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I mean its the high concentration of elemental energy what makes people gets disease, so should work like a passive

typically with passives without a timeline, especially one that specifically says "exposure for prolonged periods", it is assumed that it wouldn't affect a matchup especially one that wouldnt even last 10 minutes realistically unless shown otherwise

(this is also why tensura characters dont murder passive stomp everybody even though their corruption should be smurf hax or something)

Either via paralysis or extraordinary perception/enhanced senses

Well first of all, the opponent needs to deal with these first, which all of them are passive once Childe transform into his Foul Legacy

does any of this have feats for being able to actually decommission someone the instant its released?

 

[MSahla]

Any if Childe's attacks have these hax right?

Of course. His Foul Legacy form are being empowered by Abyssal Energy.

 

[Natsuki012]

Any if Childe's attacks have these hax right?

those hax are passive, so yes

 

[Doggo]

Of course. His Foul Legacy form are being empowered by Abyssal Energy.

Ah thx. Nasty hax for tier 6 tho, I might have some match ideas....

 

[MSahla]

Ah thx. Nasty hax for tier 6 tho, I might have some match ideas....

Let bro rest, lol.

You have another Tier 6 with nasty haxes in Genshin, take for example Raiden Shogun.

 

[Doggo]

Let bro rest, lol.

You have another Tier 6 with nasty haxes in Genshin, take for example Raiden Shogun.

Actually....I was already thinking of using her agaisnt another Lightning user lol

 

[MasterOwOgay]

So, how well does Tartagalia fare against this:

Wilhelm is capable of recognizing the strategy of his opponents when even his commanding officer can't. He was already the greatest swordsman of the domain at just 14 years old, his skill already surpassed 15 normal youths combined before he had ever seen live combat. To prove his skills, Wilhelm fought in an arena against 40 of the most elite warriors the kingdom had to offer, some being his own extraordinary comrades, and defeated every last one of them with hardly a scratch. Wilhelm's skills matched evenly against Kurgan's, the strongest warrior from the southern empire, depite Kurgan having a superior build, four weapons, and eight arms. He countered Kurgan's simultaneous attacks from multiple directions, despite being airborne, by allowing his bones to be broken in exchange for slicing off one of Kurgan's arms. In their rematch, Wilhelm made use of the cityscape to lay down his offensive, his agility allowing him to evade attacks that would kill him if they snagged just a shred of clothing. With his monstrous skill, Wilhelm struck the same spot of Kurgan's cleavers repeatedly as their blades clashed, finally shattering a weapon. Wilhelm's skills in his old age, prior to honing himself once more, were inferior to when he was in his prime.

After the battle for the Watergate City of Priestella, Wilhelm honed his swordsmanship and regained skills comparable to what he was capable of in his prime, in the age when he had been the Kingdom's sword. Wilhelm has a terrifying way of fighting, possessed of both an exceptionally keen sense of combat and powers of observation, as well as the unwavering determination to risk his life based on what he saw with his own eyes. When the floor that he had kicked away rebounded towards him with twice the speed and force, he voided all of its power by stabbing the dead center of its mass with surgical precision, a feat of genius in the realm of the divine. From the outset of his battle with the Crimson Sakura, Wilhelm accurately predicted that he would reap the shinobi's life in four moves, with her only surviving the final slash because of a hidden pit under the floor she had prepared in advance. In a single short battle, using just his observations, he figured out the nature of Yae's steel threads, kicking off of them at the precise angle with the right force to use them as a foothold and escape from an unavoidable storm of steel threads in a confined space. Wilhelm's swordsmanship is so refined that even when faced with fiery explosions in a confined space, he neutralized them by simply cutting them.

 

[Doggo]

So, how well does Tartagalia fare against this:

the fact his hax is apparently passive.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

the fact his hax is apparently passive.

does any of this have feats for being able to actually decommission someone the instant its released?

It wouldn't be affecting this match otherwise

 

[Puppet43]

childe can also use his Foul Legacy form almost instantly so this could help

Im saying things he could use in base in the odd case he tries to be a show man and get oblizerated like what happend against Neuvi

does any of this have feats for being able to actually decommission someone the instant its released?

They dont decommission anyone because all important characters are litterally resistance or immune to said passives (Talking about abyss haxs)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Im saying things he could use in base in the odd case he tries to be a show man and get oblizerated like what happend against Neuvi

They dont decommission anyone because all important characters are litterally resistance or immune to said passives (Talking about abyss haxs)

Without feats, it can't be considered combat applicable unfortunately

So, besides his passive how is he dealing with wilhelm's skill stuff?

 

[Puppet43]

Without feats, it can't be considered combat applicable unfortunately

As I mentioned, Tartaglia's abilities, whether abyssal or elemental, don't put anyone out of commission, because all important characters are resistant to the game's two UES abilities. What in neutral might be considered an overpowered ability, in the verse is a mediocre one because everyone has resistance to it. This isn't a case of "not having feats," it's a case of "no one can be corrupted because even low-tier characters have resistance to corruption."

 

[VortechsTG]

As much as I love Childe, he is cooked here. Sure, he could enter Foul Legacy immediately and he could then send out abyssal energy all around him. And that might work in theory, except Wilhelm would just cut it down and then close in. But none of that is even in character for Childe. Unless I'm forgetting something, Childe has literally never started out a fight immediately using Foul Legacy. He also fights primarily with melee weapons and against someone like Wilhelm who only fights with swords he's going to try to engage him in close-quarters. He is battle hungry and he will want to see what Wilhelm is capable of. Mind you, this is a character who literally has canonically lost multiple fights because he got too cocky. Unfortunately for him engaging Wilhelm in close-quarters is a death sentence.

 

[MasterOwOgay]

Childe, my first child, will win. Trust.

Wilhelm could probably nullify the passive, but wouldn’t it just keep reactivating? He doesn’t have deadspot, after all. He could still win, but saying he can completely shut down the passive feels a bit excessive.