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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Zanesucksatlife said:
So still no Invulnerability , it doesn't matter if it's Honkai energy or imaginary energy.
Servants in the collab are severely weakened even using another form of energy,
Yes they can still use their abilities like normal but it doesn't matter.
These aren't lore accurate servants which retains their Invulnerability, these are severely weakened servants using another source of power for fuel
Yes it can be "mystery" but it's nothing like lore accurate
So again no invulnerability
Unless the game explicitly says and gives a better answer
But saber saying she is weakened and is using another source of power is already going against the whole "invulnerability" thing she has in lore accurate.
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Servants were never weakened in the collab. You can actually argue they got stronger due to the stat difference and that the energy they had allowed them persist several days longer in the world post Holy grail destruction than usual.

I don’t know how you’re reaching the conclusion that’s it’s not lore accurate mystery if their entire arsenal functions the same, their spiritual form functions the same, and their circuit boards are shown functioning the same. Type Moon characters in the past have been capable of utilizing ether despite the fifth imaginary energy originating from an entirely different verse.

Like again all you need to do to bypass the invulnerability is an attack infused with a supernatural aspect like magical energy or something with enough age. Honkai Energy should be deemed qualified for that supernatural aspect as it was straight up deemed qualified to replace magical energy in order to create mystery.
 
Mbpoops said:
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Immeasurable Speed Honkai is the greatest Psyop of All Time

Oh, Honkaibros, it's that time of the year again, I guess. (It's been 1 week) The topic for today is Honkai's infamous Immeasurable Speed rating. (Yes, the one that never gets used cuz of speed equalization) So I gracefully went over all justifications I could find for the speed one-by-one...
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idk about the first one seems like an interpretation thing. i mean the same mod who voted against it, voted for it in the original thread
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Funny thing is its not impossible to delcare this because their invulnerability literally comes from being a 4D soul and that they are divine mysteries.

You can harm them if "unless they are infused with a supernatural aspect such as magical energy or possess a certain amount of age." Honkai Energy should classify as this AND it has 11D range
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Question is how understood is paths and its energy in HSR lore? The reason modern day weapons don’t work is because of them being understood on a fundamental level due to science, while servants are so unknown and incomprehensible that they are called “divine mysteries”.

And wouldn’t Nous and the genius society just destroy any and all mysteries that can exist in HSR due to their immense understanding of powers?
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Funny thing is its not impossible to delcare this because their invulnerability literally comes from being a 4D soul and that they are divine mysteries.

You can harm them if "unless they are infused with a supernatural aspect such as magical energy or possess a certain amount of age." Honkai Energy should classify as this AND it has 11D range
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@Mbpoops btw it’s stated during the story that Saber can resist the harmony’s mind hax via her cracked innate magical resistance
 
AlternativePrinciple said:
Question is how understood is paths and its energy in HSR lore? The reason modern day weapons don’t work is because of them being understood on a fundamental level due to science, while servants are so unknown and incomprehensible that they are called “divine mysteries”.

And wouldn’t Nous and the genius society just destroy any and all mysteries that can exist in HSR due to their immense understanding of powers?
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Well no because mystery doesnt exist until the grail summoned the servants, and it only exists on planarcadia (though apparantly archer’s backstory is canon to honkai lore lol) servants are pure imaginary energy they dont follow paths and IE was enough to replace magic Entirely and create miracles/mystery
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
I don’t know how you’re reaching the conclusion that’s it’s not lore accurate mystery if their entire arsenal functions the same, their spiritual form functions the same, and their circuit boards are shown functioning the same. Type Moon characters in the past have been capable of utilizing ether despite the fifth imaginary energy originating from an entirely different verse.
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Ok then
If it's the same as their lore counterparts then ok
Lore stay night counterpart,
I won't fight it
Anyway,
I'm going back and replaying all the games anyways
 
Mystery in honkai barely existed due to how advanced hoyoverse’s universe is. Oti created Mystery via Honkai energy through the Holy grail by broadcasting the entire war to the universe, allowing the people of the universe to witness the summoning rituals and the heroic spirits and believing in the mystery of them. Lancer himself stated that this perfectly fit the requirements of having the Holy Grail War and the servants function as normal.
 
Mbpoops said:
Well no because mystery doesnt exist until the grail summoned the servants, and it only exists on planarcadia (though apparantly archer’s backstory is canon to honkai lore lol) servants are pure imaginary energy they dont follow paths and IE was enough to replace magic Entirely and create miracles/mystery
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I see, well I am all for upscales especially when it comes to hax 😛
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Mystery in honkai barely existed due to how advanced hoyoverse’s universe is. Oti created Mystery via Honkai energy through the Holy grail by broadcasting the entire war to the universe, allowing the people of the universe to witness the summoning rituals and the heroic spirits and believing in the mystery of them. Lancer himself stated that this perfectly fit the requirements of having the Holy Grail War and the servants function as normal.
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I hope we don’t get a “am I in Uruk” moment for Gil 😭
 
Mbpoops said:
Well no because mystery doesnt exist until the grail summoned the servants, and it only exists on planarcadia (though apparantly archer’s backstory is canon to honkai lore lol) servants are pure imaginary energy they dont follow paths and IE was enough to replace magic Entirely and create miracles/mystery
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I meany penacony not planarcadia
 
The only thing im ok with us getting is servant physiology for servants and invul bypass anything more i feel is unethical unless the nasu fans say its oke (swirl of the root having nasuverse and hoyoverse in its equipment would be really funny tho)
 
Mbpoops said:
The only thing im ok with us getting is servant physiology for servants and invul bypass anything more i feel is unethical unless the nasu fans say its oke (swirl of the root having nasuverse and hoyoverse in its equipment would be really funny tho)
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I feel like berney would unironically support this just to perma block loli yog from ever being tier 0
 
Zanesucksatlife said:
LOL
We need good ol Tiamat to put him in place
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If Tia gets into HSR the entire cosmology is cooked. In Babylonia singularity bunch of H1A+ divine beings were having trouble scratching her while she was just at five-ish percent of her power.
Mbpoops said:
The only thing im ok with us getting is servant physiology for servants and invul bypass anything more i feel is unethical unless the nasu fans say its oke (swirl of the root having nasuverse and hoyoverse in its equipment would be really funny tho)
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I personally don’t have any gripes about hoyo being added to [ ] standard equipment.
 
AlternativePrinciple said:
If Tia gets into HSR the entire cosmology is cooked. In Babylonia singularity bunch of H1A+ divine beings were having trouble scratching her while she was just at five-ish percent of her power.
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If Tia came in HSR then goetia would too
Every1 in HSR would be in shambles 😭
Seeing what happens when you try and kill em both (it'd never happen)
 
Zanesucksatlife said:
Fate collab is canon to HSR but it wouldn't matter much unless this second part power creeps and has Gil using EA fp then HSR will get a upscale
Not just that but Avalon + Excalibur

Until further notice it's not looking like a big Upscale is happening soon
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Son we bouta get Emanators massively upscaling from full power Ea or sum bs in Fate collab part 2 😭🙏🙏
 
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