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This thread’s proposal is to downgrade Yamamoto’s 6-A calc, the calc is based off of a statement that Yamamoto’s suicide attack bankai would end the ss and it assumes a timeframe and divides the gbe of a planet by number of seconds to result in a 6-A per second calc
Why it’s wrong :
What the inherent destruction of soul society entails is vague, it has been debated endless times and we know and have observed the soul society being generally referenced as a city/town which contains the structure of the seretei and the rukongai 90% of the times so general standalone statements would mean the city. KingTempest has made an elaborated post showcasing that so I’ll link that here instead of repeating his points:
Revaluation of SS Ichigo AP
Kinda lost interest in responding to the arguments cuz I think if the post is too big no one reads them but if no one tackles the latest set of posts from the supporters I will that aside can we see the statement from said non canon game? unless my head isn't working (it's 2 am) I haven't seen...
The only times it’s ever been referenced as a larger than city structure is when it was regarded alongside the other worlds, aka three worlds of bleach wol ss hm statements generally are inclusive of the whole of the structures, kind of like how if our universe has humans in one planet and the rest is empty we’d say our universe is the home of humans as it’s what distinguishes it from the other universes, in this style those refer to the ss for the whole universe but this happened only a handful few times, all other instances go back to the primary city/country version of said structure. It should be noted that there are a grand total of 0 instances where the soul society was ever referenced from a planetary perspective, no context ever used SS in anything outside of a city/country and a dimension
Also with the standard of burden of evidence in VSBW we generally go with what is the lower value or the more likelier value and only go up to the higher interpretations if the evidence entails that so the destruction of a world would not encompass a universe, but if context says something like “these 2 universes are the nations of the martians and they engage in multiversal trade every year” and they later say that the world of martians will be destroyed there will be credence added to the idea of 2 universes being destroyed but without such context or supporting evidence our stance would go back to the safer and smaller values, the city/country interp is what is both more likelier given almost every ref being about the city but also the least assumptive interpretation because it involves structures of lesser size and this lesser size is more in line with what bleach characters typically have shown affecting which makes them more consistent. I think we can all agree that a random verse that mostly destroys cities and countries when given a destruction statement that could mean city or planet or universe, it would make the most sense to take the city/country interp as long as there is no evidence hinting for the higher end
Now does Yamamoto have ANY evidence of affecting the larger structures? I’ll list the main side effects but if you have the desire to read yourself you may start reading bleach from chapter 506 until the point yamamoto dies against yhwach in chapter 511
- All effects happen inside the SS, nothing outside the SS was shown / stated / implied to be affected
- Ukitake’s throat felt drier, Shunsui’s lips cracked
- Isane’s skin felt dry, Unohana makes a wish to Yamamoto to end it swiftly before his power makes the soul society come to an end
- Cang Du’s Ice evaporates. Toshiro/Shunsui comments that all the water in SS is evaporating, he says it’s happening slowly but surely.
So far all three of these pages were events happening inside the SS (seretei+rukongai SS) all the events he’s seen and made the deduction of the SS’s water evaporating is from his observance inside the city/country. Shunsui/Toshiro has not left the Seretei / Rukongai area during the entire duration of Yamamoto’s fight with Yhwach so he would not know if the same happened outside the main city/country or the other sides of the planet nor has he ever shown any ability of remotely sensing them. So all his deductions are from observing the city/country sized structure that’s called the Soul Society to have all it’s water evaporating.
So with all that we have no evidence of yamamoto ending a universe with the sun’s heat or overcoming the planet’s gravitational binding energy with heat that can dry up the water, both of these are giant claims and would demand an equivalently giant preponderance of evidence, evidence that has not been remotely shown or hinted at.
he energy per second Interpretation is wrong, Even if you accept the destruction value, the per second math doesn't work bc the technique obviously isn't releasing equal energy every second. you can see it in the manga /anime early on the ground around Yama isn't even damaged. if continent level energy was being blasted on the ground each second, the area would be gone immediately, especially the epicenter will be melted and vaporized. clearly it isn't. so the model contradicts what we're actually seeing. what's actually happening is we see small output at first, builds up, rises to the point of destruction kinda like 1 J in the first sec, 5 J after 10 min, 100 J after an hour, typa way So the EPS model needs to be replaced too.
My suggestion for a replacement calc is a ground based explosion formula calc involving the Seretei & Rukongai and it would be indexed in the profiles similarly to Zamasu’s 1-C, we would list it as [Base AP], eventually [SS destruction Calc]
As explained before this is an important distinction since he is not blasting energy at a per second rate but rather slowly emits heat which compounds in intensity until it releases a big blast that kills Yams him and the Soul Society
Lastly the 3-4 hour duration is straight up wank. "several hours" is getting read as 3-4 hours specifically bc lower hours = higher per second number. that's not conservative lol that's the opposite. could be 5, could be 10, nobody knows. picking smaller duration that inflates the result with zero evidence is just being unreasonably charitable for the sake of being charitable.
Agree: Saqphire, DavidTPPM, TheDeadman21, AlternativePrinciple, M3X_2.0 (First Calc), Mommyleona, KingTempest, Damage3245
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