GRACE [1-7-0] A Hero Hunts an Oni - Black Noir Vs Gun Park (The Boys Tv Show Vs Lookism)

[LegendariumOfLies]

Stats + Profiles:

Black Noir:

• AP: 0.428 Tons of Tnt
• LS: 8.14 Tons

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Gun Park (Current Key):

• AP: 0.222 Tons of Tnt in Base, 2.22 Tons in Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct
• LS: 62 Tons, 188 Tons in Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct

Rules + Location:

• The Location is Seoul, Worst Korea
• The two start on the opposite sides of the city
• Black Noir has been given a dossier which goes over Gun's Physical Attributes, Abilities, and Basic Info about Him + 24 Hour Prep
• Speed is Equalized
• 8-C Version of Black Noir is being used
• Both Characters are in character

Votes:

The Silent Knight: @Gamin_Yoon23
The Shiro Oni: @CatLover313,@Viott, @Keshirou, @Sigmagoon14, @Kachon123, @Pyro9278, @LegendariumOfLies
Homelander Victims:

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Damnnn, Black Noir getting ragdolled by LS

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Damnnn, Black Noir getting ragdolled by LS

Black Noir has been given 24 hours of prep.I doubt he is going for a frontal attack on Gum

 

[Viott]

Black Noir has been given 24 hours of prep.I doubt he is going for a frontal attack on Gum

So what is he going to do then?

Also, even if he somehow manages to defeat Gun, he would still have to deal with TUI Gun as well.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

What are Noir's wincons? Gun is already taking the LS, he's a better combatant (Knows every Fighting Style under the Sun) , and he can just bridge the AP gap the moment he gets knocked out in base

 

[Keshirou]

And what kind of basic info Noir have? Is he aware of his TUI?
Highly doubt that Noir can do anything here especially with 7.6x LS gap and considering Gun skill.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Black Noir’s profile link is redirecting me someplace else.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I haven’t seen the boys. I’m more of a clip watcher but with the clips I’ve seen I really don’t know how Black Noir takes this. Unless I’m wrong, Black Noir seems to have an AP advantage over base Gun Park. At first I was thinking Black Noir could likely puncture through Gun since Gun tends to absorb blunt attacks, but that wouldn’t even be the case since the AP difference isn’t big enough. I genuinely think Gun might sustain some damage as a result of underestimating BN but from that point forth he would just skill diff. He also has fear inducement to incapitate BN temporarily but honestly, the fear inducement seems kind of flimsy to me but I won’t argue against this.

I was thinking Gun Park has pressure points or some form of durability negation but he doesn’t. He either skill diffs and the damage piles on gradually leading to BN’s loss or he just LS diffs.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

And what kind of basic info Noir have? Is he aware of his TUI?

Yes, and he is given 24 hours of prep. He can also use Vought's resources if that wasn't clear

What are Noir's wincons?

Sneaking up on the guy and cutting his head off. Something he likes to do

Gun is already taking the LS, he's a better combatant (Knows every Fighting Style under the Sun) ,

While most of The Boys cast are pretty incompetent skill-wise, Noir is the exception. I am not sure how much though, need someone knowledgeable on the boys

and he can just bridge the AP gap the moment he gets knocked out in base

Noir is likely not going give gun a direct battle or take chances of him being knocked out, given he has info + 24 hours of prep. See here:

Black Noir’s profile link is redirecting me someplace else.

Fixed

I haven’t seen the boys. I’m more of a clip watcher but with the clips I’ve seen I really don’t know how Black Noir takes this. Unless I’m wrong, Black Noir seems to have an AP advantage over base Gun Park. At first I was thinking Black Noir could likely puncture through Gun since Gun tends to absorb blunt attacks, but that wouldn’t even be the case since the AP difference isn’t big enough. I genuinely think Gun might sustain some damage as a result of underestimating BN but from that point forth he would just skill diff. He also has fear inducement to incapitate BN temporarily but honestly, the fear inducement seems kind of flimsy to me but I won’t argue against this.

I was thinking Gun Park has pressure points or some form of durability negation but he doesn’t. He either skill diffs and the damage piles on gradually leading to BN’s loss or he just LS diffs.

I'll count that as a vote for Gun

 

[CatLover313]

As soon as Gun goes TUI, the class K > class 10 LS diff will treat Noir like this:

Voting Gun

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

As soon as Gun goes TUI, the class K > class 10 LS diff will treat Noir like this:

Voting Gun

Countted

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Yes, and he is given 24 hours of prep. He can also use Vought's resources if that wasn't clear

What do the resources grant him?

 

[CatLover313]

Yes, and he is given 24 hours of prep. He can also use Vought's resources if that wasn't clear

Unless we allow Noir to get a Machine Gun, Bazooka, or whatever modern weaponry that Noir hasn't shown to use in the show, his standard items of knives, gas grenades, and tactical suit won't be enough to beat Gun.

 

[Viott]

The difference in AP isn’t that big, and in terms of skill and LS, he leaves him behind. Also, even if he somehow manages to beat Gun, Gun will just switch to TUI form. His speed, AP, and LS will increase significantly. In the end, Gun will win.

I’m voting for Gun.

 

[Keshirou]

Yeah, Gun FRA

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Honestly I was just thinking that in the likelihood he does somehow knock Gun out I seriously don’t think Black Noir would just leave him as is. Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Black Noir know the ins and outs of Gun Park? Essentially even knowing TUI? Take it as this, if Black Noir does knock Gun out I don’t think he’ll allow him to transform into TUI. He’d probably knock him out first then use his knife to cut open his throat or just solidify his death once Gun has reached the stage of being knocked out temporarily.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

What do the resources grant him?

Whatever a megacorp has. Not that knowledgable on the Boys

Unless we allow Noir to get a Machine Gun, Bazooka, or whatever modern weaponry that Noir hasn't shown to use in the show, his standard items of knives, gas grenades, and tactical suit won't be enough to beat Gun.

Remember that the combatants start on opposite sides of Seoul, giving BN more than enough space to use Stealth Mastery. The same Stealth Mastery that can sneak up on Queen Maeve, a woman who has enhanced senses and can see a man who is nearly invisible. He also has equipment to disorient Gun like sleeping gas and smoke bombs.

The difference in AP isn’t that big, and in terms of skill and LS, he leaves him behind. Also, even if he somehow manages to beat Gun, Gun will just switch to TUI form. His speed, AP, and LS will increase significantly. In the end, Gun will win.

I’m voting for Gun.

Yeah, Gun FRA

Counted

Honestly I was just thinking that in the likelihood he does somehow knock Gun out I seriously don’t think Black Noir would just leave him as is. Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Black Noir know the ins and outs of Gun Park? Essentially even knowing TUI? Take it as this, if Black Noir does knock Gun out I don’t think he’ll allow him to transform into TUI. He’d probably knock him out first then use his knife to cut open his throat or just solidify his death once Gun has reached the stage of being knocked out temporarily.

Yep, and that is in character for him Noir goes for the kill nearly immediately

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Unless we allow Noir to get a Machine Gun, Bazooka, or whatever modern weaponry that Noir hasn't shown to use in the show, his standard items of knives, gas grenades, and tactical suit won't be enough to beat Gun.

Couldn’t the knives theoretically kill Gun though? Granted it’s used on a weak spot? Noir seems to have the strength advantage up UNTIL Gun is in TUI. Obviously, wielding a knife alone and let’s say cutting Gun’s arm probably wouldn’t mean much since Gun can still fight in a state of pure adrenaline even using a broken arm to counter and punch, but if he were to be severed at a vital spot I’m not too sure.

Just a general question what does the gas do? Is it just for stealth and masking or is it tear gas? I don’t think tear gas or typical gas would help. It’d have to be something like sleeping gas preferably? Or whatever make belief fictional gas. I’m not too sure.

Yep, and that is in character for him Noir goes for the kill nearly immediately

Damn. I feel like my vote may change then. I still think Gun can win but if Noir’s stealth is as good as you say then Gun might not be able to trace him. It does help having IA and enhanced senses but I’m not sure honestly . I think I require more views from the boys’ side. I think this match is closer than people think.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Yes, and he is given 24 hours of prep. He can also use Vought's resources if that wasn't clear

Sneaking up on the guy and cutting his head off. Something he likes to do

Well there goes first reason cause Gun has obsidian bones, so i don't think Noir can cut through Gun like beheading or slicing his limbs with his listed Cold weaponry, he can do stab/poke tho. And sleeping gas will trigger his TUI, leading to a fight where Noir is directly against monster who physically cliffs him

While most of The Boys cast are pretty incompetent skill-wise, Noir is the exception. I am not sure how much though, need someone knowledgeable on the boys

Yeah, his profile only mentions "Deadly Combatant," and I only watched till S2. From what I saw, he's okay as a fighter, but I still think Gun has a much bigger gap in combat power.

Noir is likely not going give gun a direct battle or take chances of him being knocked out, given he has info + 24 hours of prep. See here:

Well assuming Gun knows about Noir hunting him, he will always stay attentive in an alert state, and his Ul is basically playing in his favour. Even if Noir uses his knife or sword it has very less chances to work cause Goo went for his neck and Gun was still able to tap into TUI, in his injured form, despite carrying a slit open neck injury.

So a healthy Gun would do the same when Noir sneaks up on his blind spots. His blade or knife would get stuck in his skin since it can't cut through his bones. And depending on the injury, if it's just a cut, he'll strangle Noir to death. If it's a grave injury like what Goo did, he'll just tap into TUI.

Voting Gun FRA

 

[Kachon123]

Gun should genuinely low diff unless I'm missing something. He's far too skilled for any amount of prep time that Black Noir has to yield anything meaningful, and that LS advantage is massive.

 

[CatLover313]

Just a general question what does the gas do? Is it just for stealth and masking or is it tear gas? I don’t think tear gas or typical gas would help. It’d have to be something like sleeping gas preferably? Or whatever make belief fictional gas. I’m not too sure.

I believe it's just sleeping gas which could be a problem but it's also shown to not effect himself, Starlight, and Soldier Boy (albiet, he's like top 3 strongest in the show and 8-A).

 

[Keshirou]

Even if sleeping gas would affect and make Gun sleep, he will just go into TUI as Daniel was able to go in UI, while was under drugs in Vivi club.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Well there goes first reason cause Gun has obsidian bones, so i don't think Noir can cut through Gun like beheading or slicing his limbs with his listed Cold weaponry, he can do stab/poke tho. And sleeping gas will trigger his TUI, leading to a fight where Noir is directly against monster who physically cliffs him

Arteries are still a thing tho

Yeah, his profile only mentions "Deadly Combatant," and I only watched till S2. From what I saw, he's okay as a fighter, but I still think Gun has a much bigger gap in combat power.

Fair enough

So a healthy Gun would do the same when Noir sneaks up on his blind spots. His blade or knife would get stuck in his skin since it can't cut through his bones. And depending on the injury, if it's just a cut, he'll strangle Noir to death. If it's a grave injury like what Goo did, he'll just tap into TUI.

Voting Gun FRA

Counted

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Couldn’t the knives theoretically kill Gun though? Granted it’s used on a weak spot? Noir seems to have the strength advantage up UNTIL Gun is in TUI. Obviously, wielding a knife alone and let’s say cutting Gun’s arm probably wouldn’t mean much since Gun can still fight in a state of pure adrenaline even using a broken arm to counter and punch, but if he were to be severed at a vital spot I’m not too sure.

Just a general question what does the gas do? Is it just for stealth and masking or is it tear gas? I don’t think tear gas or typical gas would help. It’d have to be something like sleeping gas preferably? Or whatever make belief fictional gas. I’m not too sure.

Damn. I feel like my vote may change then. I still think Gun can win but if Noir’s stealth is as good as you say then Gun might not be able to trace him. It does help having IA and enhanced senses but I’m not sure honestly . I think I require more views from the boys’ side. I think this match is closer than people think.

Changed

Gun should genuinely low diff unless I'm missing something. He's far too skilled for any amount of prep time that Black Noir has to yield anything meaningful, and that LS advantage is massive.

Counted

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

I believe it's just sleeping gas which could be a problem but it's also shown to not effect himself, Starlight, and Soldier Boy (albiet, he's like top 3 strongest in the show and 8-A).

Hm but that’s likely a result of the power system they use no? Is it called V1 or V or something like that? So I don’t think it’s really fair to equate that with Gun. Since it’s more of an innate thing and not something that can be equalised.

Even if sleeping gas would affect and make Gun sleep, he will just go into TUI as Daniel was able to go in UI, while was under drugs in Vivi club.

Im pretty sure Daniel didn’t instantly turn UI. Is there any reasonable time frame this happened within? I honestly just think it’s a matter of who does what quicker. If Noir’s sleeping gas reaches Gun he should be reasonably incapitated temporarily before he turns TUI. In that vulnerable state, he would be unable to shield himself from any incoming attacks unless he’s in TUI. In TUI he could either dodge, parry, block or just go full offense. He might not even need to do that considering he has black bones at THAT point but that’s assuming Noir wastes time finishing him off.

it seems like Noir has some stealth advantage which is to be expected since he strikes me more of a hybrid between a brawler and an assassin. I’m pretty sure due to SBA, Gun is in a state of wanting to win and is aware this opponent could cause some harm to him but at the same time I don’t really know. If they lead with CQC, Noir’s getting out skilled severely. Gun would definitely notice this and would most likely not take him seriously I feel like. I honestly feel like Gun’s tendency to try to take things head on really screws him here.

Honestly, like how Kitae tanked being tased I think Gun may do the same with the Gas. Obviously Gun isn’t an idiot, I just think it’s over reliance and arrogance of endurance mastery and just having absurdly good base endurance. I feel like this CGEW (could go either way). Just depends on Gun’s state of mind and seriousness in battle. Assuming Gun’s inflicted by sleep shenanigans it also depends on how quickly and effectively Noir goes to kill him as he’s knocked out because I don’t think TUI is reviving Gun or healing him from hefty blood loss like that at all. I could only see that happening via immortality type 2 or healing that encompasses that level of severing but Gun doesn’t have that and I don’t think his supernatural willpower counts towards that either.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Well there goes first reason cause Gun has obsidian bones, so i don't think Noir can cut through Gun like beheading or slicing his limbs with his listed Cold weaponry, he can do stab/poke tho. And sleeping gas will trigger his TUI, leading to a fight where Noir is directly against monster who physically cliffs him

Was this confirmed? I thought it was only his father?

 

[CatLover313]

Was this confirmed? I thought it was only his father?

He's shown to have Black Bones when he goes TUI at least because Goo couldn't cut him with his sword.

 

[Pyro9278]

Even if we assume Noir manages to knock Gun unconscious (quite a challenge in itself), he would still have to face Gun TUI. Ironically, this guy, even worn down and having taken a beating, was able to fight with a cut neck, a stab wound inches from his heart, and a broken arm. It's quite likely that any pressure points Noir uses will be useless against Gun. Daniel tried attacking Gun's liver once, and Gun, without even defending himself, simply smiled at the attack and then beat him senseless. The best thing Noir could do is incapacitate Gun without knocking him unconscious, but that will turn into a battle of attrition that I don't think he'll win. Voting for Gun FRA.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Even if we assume Noir manages to knock Gun unconscious (quite a challenge in itself), he would still have to face Gun TUI. Ironically, this guy, even worn down and having taken a beating, was able to fight with a cut neck, a stab wound inches from his heart, and a broken arm. It's quite likely that any pressure points Noir uses will be useless against Gun. Daniel tried attacking Gun's liver once, and Gun, without even defending himself, simply smiled at the attack and then beat him senseless. The best thing Noir could do is incapacitate Gun without knocking him unconscious, but that will turn into a battle of attrition that I don't think he'll win. Voting for Gun FRA.

Counted

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I'll put in the last vote for Gun to make it GRACE

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Grace passed and this has been added so it can be closed