Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Julius Juukulius

[Doggo]

AC is dura neg so the force barrier probably gets negged too, Julius literally adapted to fighting through someone else's senses, he isn't gonna stop just because he got pushed.

It's dura neg is for the soul or death hax. It won't affect Obi-Wan's soul if it can't touch him, nor would death have taken effect if the blast had never hit him.

Adapting to senses does not equate to being able to counter having your win condition interrupted by telekenesis

 

[VortechsTG]

AC is dura neg so the force barrier probably gets negged too, Julius literally adapted to fighting through someone else's senses, he isn't gonna stop just because he got pushed.

It's dura neg not power null. Well, it might also be power null but we simply don't know enough. That's not a claim you can substantiate.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It's dura neg not power null. Well, it might also be power null but we simply don't know enough. That's not a claim you can substantiate.

It's dura neg is for the soul or death hax. It won't affect Obi-Wan's soul if it can't touch him, nor would death have taken effect if the blast had never hit him.

Adapting to senses does not equate to being able to counter having your win condition interrupted by telekenesis

His dura neg can pierce through all defenses which is why its dura neg

its in the name.

My point is that even if he was sent flying, he would still be able to fire off Al clauzaria, his sense of balance being ****** with isn't gonna be enough to stop him

 

[Doggo]

My point is that even if he was sent flying, he would still be able to fire off Al clauzaria, his sense of balance being ****** with isn't gonna be enough to stop him

It's not about sense of balance. I meant Obi-Wan is gonna launch bro several kilometers away with his LS advantage to interrupt the process of activating the technique

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It's not about sense of balance. I meant Obi-Wan is gonna launch bro several kilometers away with his LS advantage to interrupt the process of activating the technique

Julius would still be able to fire it off while being launched, people in re zero can fight without their senses.

 

[Doggo]

Julius would still be able to fire it off while being launched, people in re zero can fight without their senses.

Again, this has nothing to do with sense. If Kenobi launches bro with TK, then it either interrupts the charge of the attack (you forgot to mention he needs to charge AC up) or forces him to miss.

 

[VortechsTG]

Again, this has nothing to do with sense. If Kenobi launches bro with TK, then it either interrupts the charge of the attack (you forgot to mention he needs to charge AC up) or forces him to miss.

This just isn't true.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So... anything that stops Obi-Wan from just force pushing until down for the count? Or precogging that he's about to die and turning him into a pretzel with Class M LS?

 

[azontr]

Can Obi-Wan not just telekinetically disarm Julius and shake him like a baby. No amount of skill can really circumvent just... immobilizing him. He can also just dodge Al Clauzeria, it's just a beam.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

LMAO he can do that? who thought this shit up?

 

[Huesito88]

LMAO he can do that? who thought this shit up?

 

[azontr]

I don't see why not?? If he has the ability to force choke, he equally should have the ability to just disarm Julius and hold him there.

 

[DaReaperMan]

LMAO he can do that? who thought this shit up?

He's Class M, has precog, and has TK. Obi-Wan is also like, THE defensive fighter in this verse; he aims to make the opponent as little of a threat as possible, if that means disarming someone he knows is a weaker foe because the force told him so, he's 100% gonna disarm them. It's just that he normally fights other lightsaber users he can't overpower like Maul/Grievous/Anakin/Vader so this generally doesn't come up.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

ah well, Julius should still be able to counter with his spirits, its not like being sent to the ground and losing his sword actually changes the fact that he needs to fire off Al Clauzaria

 

[DaReaperMan]

ah well, Julius should still be able to counter with his spirits, its not like being sent to the ground and losing his sword actually changes the fact that he needs to fire off Al Clauzaria

Which can be precogged and... y'know, Obi-Wan doesn't have a death wish so...

Or precogging that he's about to die and turning him into a pretzel with Class M LS?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Which can be precogged and... y'know, Obi-Wan doesn't have a death wish so...

yeah which just means this is a stomp

 

[azontr]

Al Clauzeria is literally just a beam dude, it's not difficult to avoid.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Al Clauzeria is literally just a beam dude, it's not difficult to avoid.

the reason it would have been was the 24x speed gap

 

[azontr]

speed equal

all in his mind???

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

all in his mind???

they get equalized to sub rel or 0.041c speed meanwhile AC is 1c which is 24x faster

are you a jjk fan by chance

 

[azontr]

No.

 

[VortechsTG]

I'm ngl this is looking more like an incon to me. Yeah, sure, Obi Wan can bully Julius with TK but with just a thought Julius can fire large aoe one-shot magic that is several perception blitzes beyond Obi-Wan's speed. I remembered that the unseen hands were made more difficult to reform when cut down by Julius' magic so it should have no difficulty piercing through force barriers.

Looking at the scans for Jedi precognition it's a whole lot of seeing things just before they happen and predicting an opponent's next move. They aren't going to know the properties of an attack they haven't seen before. It's not enough to reasonably say he will not only react to thought based magic before it is fired but know to not try to block it and instead run a considerable distance away. This isn't a blaster projectile like you see in star wars, it's a sweeping wave of aurora that will fill the area. Obi Wan has to get the hell out of there. Ultimately this battle is just going to come down to who first decides to make the decisive move. They can both defeat the other in a thought without room for defense.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Wait so it isnt Rudeus like precog that sees 10 seconds into the future?

 

[VortechsTG]

Wait so it isnt Rudeus like precog that sees 10 seconds into the future?

Maybe a couple seconds, but the scans do not show them seeing that far in advance.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So basically,

1. Both sides are gonna buff and nerf each other which cancels it out
2. Obi can TK Julius but Julius can fire off AC which is 24x faster and will one shot
3. Both have instinctive actions and can fight at the speed of thought
4. The precog will let Obi know about AC but only a few moments before its shot which limits what he can do.

Going by their mentality, Obi will likely start with bullying to neutralize julius (funny) which will trigger Julius to fire off AC which Obi can't stop

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Maybe a couple seconds, but the scans do not show them seeing that far in advance.

Vader is able to use his premonition to maneuver a ship moving at MFTL+ speed to avoid obstacles.

Do you know how he does that? By predicting the position of the obstacles long before they hit the ship!

 

[Doggo]

MFTL precog aint on the proflies yet dude and im unsure if it will even be applied


Also crushing Julius is out of character for Kenobi. He will only do that if Julius is a clanker. So Kenobi's wincon and TK restrain and saber slice

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

MFTL precog aint on the proflies yet dude and im unsure if it will even be applied


Also crushing Julius is out of character for Kenobi. He will only do that if Julius is a clanker. So Kenobi's wincon and TK restrain and saber slice

Vader is simply using an ability that already has accepted in his profile:

"The recitation ended. "Lord Vader, the Chimaera awaits your guidance," Thrawn said.
That one, at least, was new. Stretching out to the Force, Vader keyed the hyperdrive.
Double vision: a cometary object approaching the starboard bow-
Not seriously dangerous, but a tweak of the course heading avoided any potential trouble. Ahead, he sensed the boundary of the Mokivj system as the Chimaera once more entered interstellar space.
Double vision: a large, star-sized object above the ship
Again, a small touch on the drive avoided the risk of collision. Two more stars flashed past, without triggering any warning.
Double vision: the ship angling to portside-
The correct direction to take them to the Grysk base?
Vader let his mind sink deeper into the Force, seeking confirmation.
Double vision: the ship angling to portside-
He touched the controls again, realigning the Chimaera onto the vector in his vision.
He'd never done this before. But it seemed he could indeed do it.
Trust me, Thrawn had again pleaded with him. Have I ever failed you?
Double vision: a white dwarf star directly ahead-
Once again, he adjusted course, and settled in for the long journey ahead."
- Thrawn: Alliances

 

[Phsccarvalho]

MFTL precog aint on the proflies yet dude and im unsure if it will even be applied

I had asked this question, but it doesn't seem to count as a true MFTL feat. However, you might have a different interpretation.

Star Wars (Canon) - Some questions about feats

So, I'm in doubt about two feats. - - - The first feat comes from Thrawn: Alliances (novel) Apparently Darth Vader perceives and reacts to things during hyperspace travel through precognition? Like, would that make him have MTFL+ through precognition? It was done through precognition, but...

vsbattles.com

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Since i was told earlier in this thread that unless its on the profile its not usable, i will put forward the same argument in this scenario

(aura monster would wreck them both)

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Since i was told earlier in this thread that unless its on the profile its not usable, i will put forward the same argument in this scenario

(aura monster would wreck them both)

Vader is simply using an ability that already has accepted in his profile

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The scan is in the album, but it was never discussed whether the precognition has an enormous range/time frame or if Vader is just very fast.

I had asked this question, but it doesn't seem to count as a true MFTL feat. However, you might have a different interpretation.

Star Wars (Canon) - Some questions about feats

So, I'm in doubt about two feats. - - - The first feat comes from Thrawn: Alliances (novel) Apparently Darth Vader perceives and reacts to things during hyperspace travel through precognition? Like, would that make him have MTFL+ through precognition? It was done through precognition, but...

vsbattles.com

 

[DaReaperMan]

Should note that even if it's 1 second or 60, Obi-Wan can just aim dodge it lol

 

[VortechsTG]

Let's say the precog sees a very long time into the future. He still doesn't know the properties of the attack. I think it would be more likely he would try to block it with force barrier than to just instantly kill Julius with TK. That seems out of character to me.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Let's say the precog sees a very long time into the future. He still doesn't know the properties of the attack.

He'd see that he would die to it...

I think it would be more likely he would try to block it with force barrier than to just instantly kill Julius with TK. That seems out of character to me.

It is fully in-character for Obi-Wan to kill an enemy, especially when he believes them winning will be a huge loss for him and the republic.

 

[azontr]

Why would he choose to block an unknown attack instead of dodging it.

 

[VortechsTG]

Should note that even if it's 1 second or 60, Obi-Wan can just aim dodge it lol

With speed being equal it is virtually impossible to avoid. It is directly stated that those on Julius' own level cannot avoid it after it is fired because it is just too fast. Sure, Obi Wan can see the trajectory ahead of time, but as soon as he tries to move that trajectory changes. Julius will aim for where Obi Wan is when it is cast. Julius' perception speed is faster than his combat speed so he would have no problem tracking Obi Wan's exact position. I don't see Obi Wan surviving once it is cast. He HAS to go for the kill before this.

 

[VortechsTG]

Why would he choose to block an unknown attack instead of dodging it.

See above.

 

[azontr]

He can just immobilize him with telekinesis so he can only fire it in a straight-line and then aim-dodge it

 

[DaReaperMan]

With speed being equal it is virtually impossible to avoid. It is directly stated that those on Julius' own level cannot avoid it after it is fired because it is just too fast. Sure, Obi Wan can see the trajectory ahead of time, but as soon as he tries to move that trajectory changes. Julius will aim for where Obi Wan is when it is cast. Julius' perception speed is faster than his combat speed so he would have no problem tracking Obi Wan's exact position. I don't see Obi Wan surviving once it is cast. He HAS to go for the kill before this.

And every meter Julius moves, Obi-Wan can move 1 meter. Or just like dodge it normally anyways because a 24x faster attack doesn't blitz across 4 kilometers, or even 1, or even a hundred meters.