Grand Regent vs Dick Master (Invincible vs Hazbin Hotel) [12-16] [ADDED]

[ShionAH]

SBA, Speed equalized, Adam is Low 5-B. Fight takes place in Hell.

Grand Regent: 12 (@Planck69, @azontr, @AthelChan, @Monstermadman, @LegendariumOfLies, @Naito-desu, @Viott, @NotoriouSoda, @Arkenis, @Plants_vs_zombies_fan101, @Ruby_R_Dracula, @XSOULOFCINDERX)
FirstMan: 16 (@Phoenks, @ShionAH, @Aytugsss, @Eden_Warlock99, @Anonymous_Learner, @ARandomDude127, @Mythic381, @DarkLock92, @Monsters_fight, @LittleGuy99, @Pearly0nsams, @OmenISTIRED, @Jaynic1, @Edutyn, @MannyQ361 , @GunshyFever)
Inconclusive:​

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[DaReaperMan]

Thragg rips him in half lengthwise and skillstomps so hard lmfao

Alternatively, the fight goes to space and Adam's lack of space survival insta-gibs him.

 

[ShionAH]

Thragg rips him in half lengthwise and skillstomps so hard lmfao

Would anyone in Invicible work?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Thragg rips him in half lengthwise and skillstomps so hard lmfao

Alternatively, the fight goes to space and Adam's lack of space survival insta-gibs him.

Adam is like x4 stronger and has portals so the space strat won't work, Thragg does skillstomp tho

Would anyone in Invicible work?

Only Invincible and Allen don't get one-shot by Adam.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Would anyone in Invicible work?

Among the Low 5-Bs? I don't know. Conquest tends to not dodge but unless you're hitting him with the full concentrated power of the ******* sun his heat weakness doesn't proc, but everyone Low 5-B has some form of bullshittery

 

[ShionAH]

Conquest gets one shotted lol.

Would Mark or maybe Allen be better? He is less experienced and skilled right? I am show only.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Adam is like x4 stronger and has portals so the space strat won't work

Thragg is hilariously stronger in LS and Adam has no space survival. His tensile strength also sucks compared to Thragg's LS

 

[DaReaperMan]

Would Mark or maybe Allen be better? He is less experienced and skilled right? I am show only.

EoS? Those two box eachother and Thragg. Like they scale to the man for a reason lmfao

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Thragg is hilariously stronger in LS and Adam has no space survival. His tensile strength also sucks compared to Thragg's LS

The tensile stuff is going away unless Chariot does something here.

Important Staff Discussion In Regards To Lifting Strength

Apparently it's a problem for someone with slightly higher AP but gargantuanly monstrously stronger LS to crush the weaker opponent despite this being a precedent in said weaker character's verse as was shown by scans. Can we please settle this apparently nebulous gray area when it comes to...

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[ShionAH]

Like they scale to the man for a reason lmfao

I mean I know but they werent trained at birth or fought with Battle beast the skill man of the verse, especially Mark you cannot convince me he is skill stomping anyone dawg

 

[DaReaperMan]

The tensile stuff is going away unless Chariot does something here.

Important Staff Discussion In Regards To Lifting Strength

Apparently it's a problem for someone with slightly higher AP but gargantuanly monstrously stronger LS to crush the weaker opponent despite this being a precedent in said weaker character's verse as was shown by scans. Can we please settle this apparently nebulous gray area when it comes to...

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[azontr]

I mean I know but they werent trained at birth or fought with Battle beast the skill man of the verse, especially Mark you cannot convince me he is skill stomping anyone dawg

Mark can fight relatively on par with Thragg in terms of battle prowess and Mark consistently fights highly trained Viltrumite warriors, so

 

[ShionAH]

Mark can fight relatively on par with Thragg in terms of battle prowess and Mark consistently fights highly trained Viltrumite warriors

Then struggles with the mauler twins

 

[azontr]

Because he tries not to kill his enemies 99% of the time. Once he stops jobbing he effortlessly mutilates basically every non-viltrumite level foe he fights.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then struggles with the mauler twins

...which was like, 500 years ago for him EoS.

 

[ShionAH]

Why wouldn't he be able to knock them out or restrain them then? If you can mutilate someone easily then you should be able to put them to sleep even easier

...which was like, 500 years ago for him EoS.

I am not talking about Emperor Mark, if I used him I would have used the version right before the ending time skip

 

[azontr]

Why wouldn't he be able to knock them out or restrain them then? If you can mutilate someone easily then you should be able to put them to sleep even easier

Difference between battle skill and battle IQ. Plus, controlling strength isn't easy. One wrong move and you can accidentally take their head-off, which is why he drags fights on.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I am not talking about Emperor Mark, if I used him I would have used the version right before the ending time skip

...Shion. its the same difference. You're using BoS Mark to try to argue EoS Mark. Two very, very, VERY ******* different animals there.

 

[azontr]

Also, even if Mark isn't a skill god, Adam is completely unskilled to begin with, so even basic martial arts prowess is better than what he has.

 

[ShionAH]

I never argued Adam has better skill, I am trying to argue for it to not be a skill stomp because I thought it would be a good match

Mark is definitely smart enough to control his own strenght, he killed Angstrom because he overastimated his power otherwise that wasn't gonna be a death either

 

[DaReaperMan]

I never argued Adam has better skill, I am trying to argue for it to not be a skill stomp because I thought it would be a good match

The main issue is is that Mark is the dude who literally KILLED Thragg. He scales to Thragg in skill, and Allen boxed Mark. They're a perfect trifecta of skillfucking.

 

[azontr]

I never argued Adam has better skill, I am trying to argue for it to not be a skill stomp because I thought it would be a good match

I know you didn't. But Adam straight up has no skill. He is a pure power type. He's getting skill stomped against anyone relative to him who can fight with their brain.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Ehh, being a power-type with a x4 AP advantage, spammable beams and a pretty fast healing factor can overcome even a pretty hefty skill disadvantage.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

hmm, how interesting.
Adam's stronger with high mid regen (op didn't mention it was restricted so generally assumption should it it's included) and regen neg but thragg got higher skill and ls diff.

 

[azontr]

Ehh, being a power-type with a x4 AP advantage, spammable beams and a pretty fast healing factor can overcome even a pretty hefty skill disadvantage.

Understandable. I'm not saying who would win or lose, really, I'm not really interested in the match, but most of Adam's offensive advantages can only really apply at a range and if he has some kind of speed or skill edge. If you just stay on him and beat his ass while avoiding his hands he kinda can't do much.

 

[ShionAH]

But Adam straight up has no skill

Thats simply not true, he was moving like a monster against Alastor who has insane skill feats of stomping far superior opponents while weakened.

ls diff.

Seems like the LS meta is dying as we speak.

The tensile stuff is going away unless Chariot does something here.

Important Staff Discussion In Regards To Lifting Strength

Apparently it's a problem for someone with slightly higher AP but gargantuanly monstrously stronger LS to crush the weaker opponent despite this being a precedent in said weaker character's verse as was shown by scans. Can we please settle this apparently nebulous gray area when it comes to...

vsbattles.com

 

[azontr]

Thats simply not true, he was moving like a monster against Alastor who has insane skill feats of stomping far superior opponents while weakened.

Because he's much more powerful than Alastor. He never actually outperforms him in battle prowess.

 

[ShionAH]

Because he's much more powerful than Alastor. He never actually outperforms him in battle prowess.

He dodges or blocks many attacks mid air pretty casually forcing Al to use surprise attacks, he definitely doesn't have "no skill" like you say. His profile even lists it as Above Average.

Edit: Should I delete the Above Average? We don't use those for combat anymore

 

[azontr]

You can dodge attacks from someone more skilled than you by simply being stronger and faster, which Adam is.

 

[Mythic381]

Kind of funny there's arguments about Adam's skill when he has martial arts on his profile. Could've literally ignored 90% of problems if it just gets removed and mentioned in weaknesses or smth.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

You can dodge attacks from someone more skilled than you by simply being stronger and faster, which Adam is.

tbf, FP!Alastor and Adam are actually relative in speed so his feats of reaction to Alastor's tentacles is a decent skill fest.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Ofc, Adam skill =/= Alastor's as Al was basically dicking around and plays thinge casual 100% of the time in season 1 (even mentioned on profile) and we actually get to see what Alastor actually trying to win a fight seriously looks like in season 2 against 100% Vox
(Plus mentioned, Adam's stupidly stronger and tankier than Alastor so any skill gap didn't matter)

 

[azontr]

tbf, FP!Alastor and Adam are actually relative in speed so his feats of reaction to Alastor's tentacles is a decent skill fest.

The profile literally says Adam is faster and blitzed him.

 

[Mythic381]

The profile literally says Adam is faster and blitzed him.

Who writes these profiles

with FTL combat and reaction speeds (Easily avoided all of an angry Аdаm's attempts to hit him. Adam saw Alastor's ability to dodge his hits and was disturbed by it, only blitzing a weakened Alastor)

This is from Alastor's profile btw.

 

[azontr]

Whoever writes them needs to keep them consistent.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Blame @TheOrangeGuy09 and @ShionAH

 

[azontr]

I do.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The profile literally says Adam is faster and blitzed him.

jAdam's justifications are old, wack, and agenda pilled.
i plan on fixing that but Alastor get blitzed cuz he lost his staff, which drastically nerfs him, eomething that is noted on Alastor's profile and is something Adam's profile notes he did to Alastor's magic

 

[Mythic381]

Blame @TheOrangeGuy09 and @ShionAH

Orange focused so much on the AP justifications, he forgot about the rest.

 

[ShionAH]

Adam’s speed section was basically untouched, its sorta outdated. Someone should reword it since he doesn’t blitz Full Power Alastor