Hellaverse Mega CRT (Concluded and Applied)

[ShionAH]

Batman also has 150+ feats/scalings to FTL and highe

And has 1500+ antifeats scaling to subsonic

 

[DaReaperMan]

And has 1500+ antifeats scaling to subsonic

Now read the rest of the post.

 

[Mythic381]

Batman also has 150+ feats/scalings to FTL and higher, that shit just ain't consistent enough,

Batman's nature is quite clearly a superhuman who isn't that level of supernatural. I'd bet he has around the same number of anti-feats that are actually valid to downgrade him.

 

[DarkLock92]

Classic plot hole in fiction, like batman can stop flash by putting his arm to flash's direction.

...you're really comparing Emily to the Flash...

Vox always portrayer as fastar then vees
Vox can fight with weakened alostor while other vees struugle to fight against niffty and husk.

if you're talking about the fight in episode 4, it's practically unusable given we accept Al was holding back (bro thinks he's Sukuna) but if you really want to use it then Val was the only one to actually land a hit in hand-to-hand against Al, unlike Vox who needed his pseudo-teleport to do so

Exorcirsts are getting no diffed by one by but they didnt loose because of their number.
No exorcist did defend himself against husk and niffty , they got no diffed.

i don't understand what you mean. Like Niffty's only shown to stab dead exorcists before she kills Adam, and Husk throws his cards at range and even remarks that "they won't stop coming!". Plus it's literally a canon fact that Exorcists don't bother with defending themselves.

İ said it wrong
İf they dont get scaled to emily, we probably scale them at the same level as angel dust, cherrie or imps.
So im saying they would be faster than their own scale, more close to emily but not ftl

None of these are anywhere close to FTL

 

[DaReaperMan]

Batman's nature is quite clearly a superhuman who isn't that level of supernatural. I'd bet he has around the same number of anti-feats that are actually valid to downgrade him.

I'm not going to dignify this with a legitimate response other than

Now read the rest of the post.

 

[Aytugsss]

Batman also has 150+ feats/scalings to FTL and higher, that shit just ain't consistent.

Batman doesnt has feats nor scalings to ftl
İ looked every pages for batman and no there is no ftl speed without armors
Expect injustice game whichs is different from animated series.
So its still a plot hole

 

[Mythic381]

Batman doesnt has feats nor scalings to ftl

He does, they simply weren't accepted via them being outliers.

Mind you, there's a whole ass chainscaling for marvel that can get Aunt May to 1-A.

 

[Aytugsss]

He does, they simply weren't accepted via them being outliers.

Mind you, there's a whole ass chainscaling for marvel that can get Aunt May to 1-A.

What you want me to say
Why is this coversation happening right know
İts has nothing to do with
Vox offguard feat

 

[DarkLock92]

Let's not derail by talking too much about Comic Book outliers. Though the fact that Batman still ain't FTL despite having much more feats of that speed than the Hellaverse is pretty telling, ngl

 

[DarkLock92]

What you want me to say
Why is this coversation happening right know
İts has nothing to do with
Vox offguard feat

You can't just say offguard because it's convenient, especially when Emily was very much looking right at Vox when he grabbed her

 

[Mythic381]

Let's not derail by talking too much about Comic Book outliers. Though the fact that Batman still ain't FTL despite having much more feats of that speed than the Hellaverse is pretty telling, ngl

You yourself said not to compare Emily to Flash. It's the same case here, especially that Marvel and DC here are basically not comparable to basically ANY VERSE on this wiki.

 

[DarkLock92]

You yourself said not to compare Emily to Flash. It's the same case here, especially that Marvel and DC here are basically not comparable to basically ANY VERSE on this wiki.

I wasn't completely serious tbh, it's my bad I should have put that in strikethrough earlier

 

[DaReaperMan]

Batman doesnt has feats nor scalings to ftl
İ looked every pages for batman and no there is no ftl speed without armors
Expect injustice game whichs is different from animated series.
So its still a plot hole

Batman in post-crisis appears in 3650 issues. If you read one issue a day of him, you'd finish reading everything he appears in in TEN. YEARS.

So yes, Batman is not FTL because it is not consistent. Ergo, trying to explain away every anti-feat to people scaling to a bum Seraphim who gets caught and ragdolled by a ******' Overlord is not consistent.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Thor might have as many speed anti-feats as Batman

 

[Mythic381]

Thor might have as many speed anti-feats as Batman

Yes, but is he narratively supposed to be portrayed as a human with human limits?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

why tf are talking about comic books in a hazbin thread?
Hellaverse threads and derailment go hand and hand, i swear

 

[Mythic381]

Any mention of other verses to justify something is fr just considered "whataboutism" or derailment

 

[DarkLock92]

Anyway, the AWs chainscale is something like this, imo:
AWs < Alastor's Shield =< Charlie's Shield (Actually dented an angelic spear, which Al's barrier failed to do, despite the Exorcists ramming themselves into it)
AWs < MoL
Alastor's Shield < Adam < Charlie's Picthfork
Alastor's staff =< Adam < Lucifer

(I know it's messy, but I don't want to imply superiority when we simply can't say)

Lucifer is apparently mostly fine after being shanked by the MoL

Image 1

Image 2
We can also argue that Adam was weakened by Lu, I guess

I should specify that AWs would still scale to Lu and Adam, given they're capable of harming them, it's just more of a downscale

 

[Aytugsss]

You can't just say offguard because it's convenient, especially when Emily was very much looking right at Vox when he grabbed her

İm not going any furture
İts still seems to be offguard if you ask me but i cant prove it

 

[Aytugsss]

Batman in post-crisis appears in 3650 issues. If you read one issue a day of him, you'd finish reading everything he appears in in TEN. YEARS.

So yes, Batman is not FTL because it is not consistent. Ergo, trying to explain away every anti-feat to people scaling to a bum Seraphim who gets caught and ragdolled by a ******' Overlord is not consistent.

İ dont read issues
İ read vsb batman pages
İm not going furture
Honestly i still think its clearly offguard but i just cant prove it

 

[DarkLock92]

correct, i'll add it to OP

Btw what happened to this?

 

[Aytugsss]

correct, i'll add it to OP

İ also have one very mini crt
Alostor didnt get blitzed by adam he blocked his first attack with his staff then caught iff guard
İn adams pages its says adam blitzed alostor after he got serious

 

[Mythic381]

İ also have one very mini crt
Alostor didnt get blitzed by adam he blocked his first attack with his staff then caught iff guard
İn adams pages its says adam blitzed alostor after he got serious

I don't think Anonymous actually agrees with that. You could make a CRT for it, since I'm neutral on this.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Btw what happened to this?

honestly, i changed my mind. i still have somethings i want to make (like a full rework of the Helluva Boss main cast profiles, lifting strength downgrades, and ShionAH's CRT) so I'll just make another mega crt instead of bloating this one, especially since so many votes have already added and I'd have to reset them and ask if they still agree

 

[DarkLock92]

honestly, i changed my mind. i still have somethings i want to make (like a full rework of the Helluva Boss main cast profiles, lifting strength downgrades, and ShionAH's CRT) so I'll just make another mega crt instead of bloating this one, especially since so many votes have already added and I'd have to reset them and ask if they still agree

Perfectly fair

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

İ also have one very mini crt
Alostor didnt get blitzed by adam he blocked his first attack with his staff then caught iff guard
İn adams pages its says adam blitzed alostor after he got serious

while it is true Adam's page states that Adam blitzes Alastor after "getting serious," Alastor's page already has that Alastor>=Adam in speed and that he only got blitzed after his staff broke which greatly weakened him so i don't really think that is needed.
At most, I could add a section of another CRT that reworks Adam's speed justifications but nothing more

 

[FinePoint]

I'm sympathetic to some of the arguments here, but it does seem clear to me that Emily's implied speed in that scene was an outlier.

Overall, I approve of the OP.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I'm sympathetic to some of the arguments here, but it does seem clear to me that Emily's implied speed in that scene was an outlier.

Overall, I approve of the OP.

Your vote was counted, thank you so very much for your assistence

 

[DarkLock92]

It does feel weird that a random heaven citizen is 8x stronger than their armies. Maybe a possibly rating for Exorcists?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

It does feel weird that a random heaven citizen is 8x stronger than their armies. Maybe a possibly rating for Exorcists?

DW, thinking of tackling this in my mega CRT 2 since i feel it'd be redundant to include it now since ShionAH preposes them be 8-B

 

[DarkLock92]

DW, thinking of tackling this in my mega CRT 2 since i feel it'd be redundant to include it now since ShionAH preposes them be 8-B

Ah I see, well if anything you could say that Lute can scare Abel with a non angelic guitar (we know it's not angelic because Lute easily breaks it against the whole later on, and the one that sliced Alastor still has his blood on it) though his character is being a wuss so idk if it's useful

 

[Mythic381]

Ah I see, well if anything you could say that Lute can scare Abel with a non angelic guitar (we know it's not angelic because Lute easily breaks it against the whole later on, and the one that sliced Alastor still has his blood on it) though his character is being a wuss so idk if it's useful

I don't think she scared him with the guitar. I think she just... scared him

 

[DarkLock92]

I don't think she scared him with the guitar. I think she just... scared him

I wanted to emphasize that the guitar wasn't made out of angelic steel, to show that she should scale physically

 

[DarkLock92]

I'm sympathetic to some of the arguments here, but it does seem clear to me that Emily's implied speed in that scene was an outlier.

Overall, I approve of the OP.

Say, in regards to the angelic weapons chainscale, do you prefer the one in the OP or the one I made here:

Anyway, the AWs chainscale is something like this, imo:
AWs < Alastor's Shield =< Charlie's Shield (Actually dented an angelic spear, which Al's barrier failed to do, despite the Exorcists ramming themselves into it)
AWs < MoL
Alastor's Shield < Adam < Charlie's Picthfork
Alastor's staff =< Adam < Lucifer

(I know it's messy, but I don't want to imply superiority when we simply can't say)

Lucifer is apparently mostly fine after being shanked by the MoL

Image 1

Image 2
We can also argue that Adam was weakened by Lu, I guess

I should specify that AWs would still scale to Lu and Adam, given they're capable of harming them, it's just more of a downscale

 

[Mythic381]

I wanted to emphasize that the guitar wasn't made out of angelic steel, to show that she should scale physically

Abel doesn't necessarily scale anywhere impressive though.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

seeing as how, when the Spirit of Naoya Adam took over Abel, he's able to put her back in line when he wants to, i don't think her scaring him means anything for scaling, especially when he gets a nose bleed and a panic attack at the moment of real conflict

 

[FinePoint]

Say, in regards to the angelic weapons chainscale, do you prefer the one in the OP or the one I made here:

Sorry, what does AW stand for here?

 

[DarkLock92]

Abel doesn't necessarily scale anywhere impressive though.

He's a winner like Pentious so he's one of the few who definitely benefits from the former's feat

seeing as how, when the Spirit of Naoya Adam took over Abel, he's able to put her back in line when he wants to, i don't think her scaring him means anything for scaling, especially when he gets a nose bleed and a panic attack at the moment of real conflict

Yeah, it's why I said it's unlikely to be useful and that I see the scaling more as a possibly

 

[DarkLock92]

Sorry, what does AW stand for here?

Angelic Weapons

 

[FinePoint]

Angelic Weapons

Obviously, lol. I'm an idiot.

Sorry, I just got done spending four hours straight going through months old requests. I'm a little worn out. Got all the way through January though.

I'm fine with your idea too. I agree we shouldn't imply superiority if we're not certain.