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Revising Rimuru’s Abilities (Tensura Thread) – Part 2 (Accepted)

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Introduction:

Hello everyone, this is a continuation of my previous thread. In this one, I’ll be focusing specifically on the Demon Slime key. Nothing else to say, so:
The Verse: Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
The Character: Rimuru Tempest


Content:

First, these already accepted resistances should be added to Rimuru’s profile.
I’m too lazy to list them all, so here---please refer to the 'Resist Skills' section. Rimuru has all those resistances.

Abilities:

New Resistances:

Conventional:

So all US user already have this resistance, so just put one layer, that’s it.

Unconventional:

Abstract Existence ( Type 1 [Information {Type 2}]; Rimuru has the Ultimate Skill 'Wisdom King Raphael' which is capable of acting on her own even when Rimuru is unconscious and, 'Raphael' is a made from Information, which is the fundamental aspect in Tensura.)
Okay, so there’s no Abstract Existence here, let alone Type 1. Raphael is just taking over Rimuru’s body, basically putting him on auto mode. The body is still Rimuru’s, and to begin with, it’s also kind of redundant, since Rimuru already has AE Type 1 based on info.

Non-Physical Interaction (Information ; Can interact with things based on information [type 2] such as skills)
Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Matter Manipulation ( Manipulating Information Particles are Particles that are close to having no mass at all and they serve as the heart of all matter and allows the user to control life and death.)
These are kind of redundant and don’t serve much purpose. The first one is self-explanatory, he’s already been able to do it since Volume 1 (or 2). The second one, however, like Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation, has no real application ( The reasoning is basically being replaced by the better ones mentioned above.). As for Matter Manipulation… I’m not sure. Information particles are BDE Type 1 as well and whatnot, but eh, your call.
 
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You don't have to plug this in or anything, but something I came across recently that I shared on discord would grant resistance to resistance negation fairly early in the series

This armor came in the form of holy mail, light as a feather and imbued with the power to summon the spirits each paladin had forged a pact with. This granted them unfettered access to these spirits’ powers, and what’s more, the evil-quelling abilities added to their weapons neutralized all resistances in their foes, letting them strike for damage at every opportunity
^ volume 7 OTL
Just something I thought was neat mainly lol. As for the thread, looks good
 
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-Mind Manipulation
Memory manipulation should be added too as it can alter memories
-Life Manipulation
You can just simply add this ability
-Biological manipulation
Matter manipulation should be added along
 
-Mind Manipulation
Memory manipulation should be added too as it can alter memories
I guess you’re right, but that’s optional since both abilities are connected (with the Memory Manipulation page using this as its mechanism). But yeah.
-Life Manipulation
You can just simply add this ability
Well, same as above, tbh, I’m trying to list abilities as minimally as I can across different keys, so I prefer either the method above or something like Corrosion Inducement (Life Force; …).
 
Should this not just be unconventional atomic matter hax or something?
This ability also works
 
Should this not just be unconventional atomic matter hax or something?
We don’t have magicules accepted as atomic matter, at least for now. The fact is, magicules can exist as both physical and spiritual matter/energy, so Energy Manipulation fits better here.
This ability also works
Not really, creation requires one to create something from nothing.
 
We don’t have magicules accepted as atomic matter, at least for now. The fact is, magicules can exist as both physical and spiritual matter/energy, so Energy Manipulation fits better here.
That is where the unconventional comes from, the fact that it still can create matter while not actually being matter means it is unconventional
Not really, creation requires one to create something from nothing.
Not really true, idk why the creation page has that but if you look at the users, plenty of them create things from something and not literally nothing. Creation can work here, though it's up to you, maybe one of these days someone will make a staff CRT to fix up the wording of the page
 
That is where the unconventional comes from, the fact that it still can create matter while not actually being matter means it is unconventional
It’s one of the applications of energy manipulation tho.
Not really true, idk why the creation page has that but if you look at the users, plenty of them create things from something and not literally nothing. Creation can work here, though it's up to you, maybe one of these days someone will make a staff CRT to fix up the wording of the page
I don’t think we should do something just because others did. Many characters having this ability might also be due to the supporter or mods not paying much attention. Or maybe you’re right, tho for now, I don’t see this ability as an option.
 
Uh, yes, no, I feel like this is wrong 🤔.

Isn't Rimuru still vulnerable to attacks from those who are giving them without transforming into a demon?
 
Rimuru is vulnerable to mental attacks (without Ciel/Raphael's help), Rimuru is vulnerable to soul attacks, etc. I don't understand why this would be nonexistent physiology.
Because Magic and Skills have interaction?....

It's the same thing with AE of SLF
 
Okay.

In any case, it wouldn't be type 1, it would be type 3 if it accepts this.

Rimuru doesn't have a mind, but he thinks.

Rimuru doesn't have a soul, but does he?

Rimuru doesn't have a core, but does he?

etc.

I saw an example of this from the administrator Dontalk (something like that).
 
You do realize that NEP and Immunity are different things...?

They even have separate pages


NEP only requires corresponding interaction and you can damage every aspect just fine
NEP is basically Immunity to manipulation of a certain existential aspect while also having Incorporeality.

Immunity:
"Qualifying for Immunity is difficult, as no simple show of resistance is enough, and statements could easily be hyperbole or only apply in-verse. Immunity should only be given when the user in question entirely lacks what would normally be affected. A being with Inorganic Physiology for example, has no components for Biological Manipulation to control or alter, an entity without a soul won't be harmed by Soul Manipulation, a being made purely of fire has no blood to manipulate, and so on."
NEP is the same as lacking the aspect, but also the physical body.
NEP:
"The physical body of every character with this ability has to be nonexistent. That means that users always are Incorporeal, unless maybe they physically qualify for Paradoxical Nonexistence. That means that robots or similar don't qualify for spiritual or mental nonexistence, as they physically exist. Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types"
 
Okay.

In any case, it wouldn't be type 1, it would be type 3 if it accepts this.

Rimuru doesn't have a mind, but he thinks.

Rimuru doesn't have a soul, but does he?

Rimuru doesn't have a core, but does he?

etc.

I saw an example of this from the administrator Dontalk (something like that).
That's part of a more global issue on the wiki

Several staff, even those knowledgeable on NEP, have conflicting opinions regarding that

I tried working on making a staff thread with @FinePoint, but at the same time @Elizhaa holds an opposite opinion

So it's complicated

Rn, most NEP1 profiles have NEP1 via a similar situation, so we also index it as NEP1
 
We don’t have magicules accepted as atomic matter, at least for now. The fact is, magicules can exist as both physical and spiritual matter/energy, so Energy Manipulation fits better here.

Not really, creation requires one to create something from nothing.
That reminds me. We should remove "Creation" from various profiles that have it via aura or smth.
Only God can create things from nothing
So as I said, two hundred forty thousand soldiers of the Empire were permanently dead… But hey, it was gonna be all of them originally, so they really ought ta count their blessings. I felt sorry for those who wouldn’t make it back, but sometimes that was just the way the cookie crumbled. I wasn’t an omnipotent god, you know. I couldn’t create something out nothing.
Volume 13, Epilogue
Meanwhile most of the things he does is just via materializing magicules. Like this:

Or by using pre-existing materials from his stomach. It shows when he requested for paper from Yuuki to create manga.
 
I mean, Rimuru isn't immune to these things 🤔.

Unless you want denial of those aspects.
Said "things" in tensura can effect both existent and nonexistent things. Magic is a thing in the Underworld too. It's common knowledge that it's the expertise of Demons...
 
I got a question regarding the demon physiology thingy technically shouldn’t Shion get like something similar for a similar reason for Rimuru since she’s like a hybrid of a oni and demon (wicked oni) or am I digging too keep into things
 
That reminds me. We should remove "Creation" from various profiles that have it via aura or smth.
Only God can create things from nothing
Just wanna say, I think "energy" is excluded from this, so it could still stay. I think it rather means it can't be any form of "transmutation" or such.
 
Just wanna say, I think "energy" is excluded from this, so it could still stay. I think it rather means it can't be any form of "transmutation" or such.
Creation is the ability to create something from nothing, without manipulating existing things.
"Manipulating" would also include manipulating magicules as they fall within "existing things".
TBF the example users have it listed without further explanation so
 
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