Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

[Tyranno223]

@Tyranno223

Would you be willing to handle the accepted Eru revisions instead?

Sorry, I haven't been on the wiki properly for a month so I'm not really up to date with that revision.

I'm also still don’t have the free time (or the will) yet.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Understood.

 

[Experiment12]

I am likely the wrong person to ask about that.

Maybe I'll ask Ultima, I'm reminded of Tolkien's revision, that Ultima gave it to him.

 

[Tyranno223]

Maybe I'll ask Ultima, I'm reminded of Tolkien's revision, that Ultima gave it to him.

Okay. Understood.

I have a bit more time right now, so if I could be told what exactly to add, I think I can handle it.

 

[Antvasima]

I have a bit more time right now, so if I could be told what exactly to add, I think I can handle it.

@Experiment12

 

[Experiment12]

@Experiment12

In my opinion, do we need to separate the evidence for Paraconsistent Physiology and Beyond Dimensional Existence?

 

[Tyranno223]

I haven't gotten a response back, so I did spend some time going through some of the ideas posted.

I have prepared it but it is not completely finished, but I am also confused, whether the explanation is made one with Paraconsistent Physiology, in Eru's profile evidence Beyond Dimensional Existence and Paraconsistent Physiology becomesin Eru's profile Evidence Beyond Dimensional Existence and Paraconsistent Physiology becomes one.

Part of why Eru qualifies for Tier 0 is because he is beyond any identity. Identity is considered a finite qualifier of things, with finite beings giving other finite beings designations like names. Eru is beyond that, for no finite being can conceive of a unique qualifying relationship with Eru. He is equally transcendent and unique compared to all things.

Hence he is beyond any duality or signifier. It's a bad example but it's in the same way that 1x1 = 1 or 1x3 = 3, but anything x 0 = the same result of N/A. Again, bad example, but it's for the point.

What this means, idk, but it seems similar to Type 3? Ask staff for more clarity ofc.

 

[Experiment12]

I haven't gotten a response back, so I did spend some time going through some of the ideas posted.


Part of why Eru qualifies for Tier 0 is because he is beyond any identity. Identity is considered a finite qualifier of things, with finite beings giving other finite beings designations like names. Eru is beyond that, for no finite being can conceive of a unique qualifying relationship with Eru. He is equally transcendent and unique compared to all things.

Hence he is beyond any duality or signifier. It's a bad example but it's in the same way that 1x1 = 1 or 1x3 = 3, but anything x 0 = the same result of N/A. Again, bad example, but it's for the point.

What this means, idk, but it seems similar to Type 3? Ask staff for more clarity ofc.

After rereading the evidence for Paraconsistent Physiology and Beyond-Dimensional Existence, Eru literally transcends identity and plurality, clearly indicating that Eru possesses qualitative superiority.

And I also read your thread when upgrading Tolkien's Fiction to Tier 0, where you found the following letter: "God cannot be limited (even by his own Foundations)... and may use any channel for His grace." - Letter 250

Elaborating further (I will quote your argument in that thread),

• Eru considers all of Eä to be a mere thought, capable of holding it in His mind. To Him, Eä is on the same level as fiction, as all of space-time is a mere thought in His mind.

So this aligns with the criteria for Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 3, as follows:

• Type 3: Characters who exceed dimensionality through a qualitative superiority over lesser things, which is to say: Ontologically surpassing all the contents of a lower reality, and being above their physical composition and differentiation. Characters of this nature don't simply lack all physicality and composition (as in Type 1), but surpass it altogether, being of a wholly superior nature that is unattainable by lower states of existence. However, as stated at the beginning of the page, these beings can still operate on a higher notion of dimensionality that is fundamental to their own nature and reality.

I think the Ainur will also receive this Type, but we need to investigate further, because in my opinion Higher Dimensional Existence is not suitable for entities that are already in Tier High 1-A. Perhaps that's the explanation I can provide based on my understanding of the abilities mentioned above.

 

[Tyranno223]

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You would need BDE for the Ainur to be evaluated even if it seems reasonable imo, plus now that I look at it, Paraconsistent Physiology wasn't accepted beyond Ant so you'd need one more vote.

Atm, I can only add BDE (Type 3) to the profile.

And we do have an actual general revision thread over using the discussion thread for this stuff as a general reminder to all.

Lord of the Rings general revision thread: Return of the Thread

Third Thread! Love a trilogy. Hopefully gonna cap off the stat revisions for some time with a "fun" reprisal. Previous thread here. OG thread here. Discussion thread here.

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Shouldn't the verse page be renamed "Tolkien's Legendarium" or "The Legendarium" instead of "Lord of the Rings"?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Tolkien's Legendarium: Tulkas Martial Arts Addition

I don't know how it's possible, but Tulkas doesn't have Martial Arts listed on his profile despite it being his primary ability.

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[Renitr]

Hello guys. Currently, I have a desire to work on reworking movies Gandalf's profile.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Renitr/Gandalf_(Movies)_Rework

However, I need to find out if this feat can be considered a physical attack by Gandalf?

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I believe it can, as in this scene, we don't see Gandalf's staff emitting the white energy that it typically does during magical attacks, for example 1, 2

 

[Grand_Astartes]

I need to find out if this feat can be considered a physical attack by Gandalf?

Do you mean him striking the rock itself? If so, then yes. Dude is just stronk

 

[DaReaperMan]

You know, this game sucks, but some quotes make it glorious for all the wrong reasons

 

[Antvasima]

You would need BDE for the Ainur to be evaluated even if it seems reasonable imo, plus now that I look at it, Paraconsistent Physiology wasn't accepted beyond Ant so you'd need one more vote.

Atm, I can only add BDE (Type 3) to the profile.

And we do have an actual general revision thread over using the discussion thread for this stuff as a general reminder to all.

Lord of the Rings general revision thread: Return of the Thread

Third Thread! Love a trilogy. Hopefully gonna cap off the stat revisions for some time with a "fun" reprisal. Previous thread here. OG thread here. Discussion thread here.

vsbattles.com

Which pages do you need me to unlock, and which other staff members have helped out here previously?