Attack Titan vs No. 1 USA Hero

[DavidTPPM]

You've completely ignored the rest of what I've said regarding Reiner. His armor is hardening; hardening in general has heat resistance. And Eren has hardened, which is shown to be superior to Reiner's.

Just because it has SOME heat resistance doesn't mean it has this level of heat resistance.

Anyway, does Homelander have any counters to Eren's titan body having high-mid regen here?

He doesn't need one. Titan regen takes a long time and a TON of energy. He could literally slice up the titan, let Eren create a new one, and slice it up again and boom Eren is out of stamina.

And like we already said, Homelanders enhanced hearing and xray vision would tell him Erens real body is in the nape and he'd just slice him up.

I get that HL targeting his human body would counter that (Fallen did a good job pointing this out, which I will give to them), but I doubt HL would really consider using his X-ray vision to even try to find the body when he has no prior knowledge of Eren controlling his titan form like that.

Homelander uses it all the time. He legit noticed the tumor in Butchers brain during a random conversation and same with the tentacles in his chest. He also constantly listens for heartbeats so he'd hear Erens real body in his nape too

Hell not only is it in-character to use whenever but given Erens unconventional physiology in the titan form Homelander would 100% be intrigued by it enough to check how his body works with xray vision.

And Eren would be particularly protective of his human body, going as far as to shield his nape completely with hardening.

Hardening gets sliced through like it's made out of butter.

As Fallen made me realize, Eren's resistance for his main titan body (tanking the Colossal's heat steam) won't be enough, but his hardening (which, mind you can one-shot the value it scales, aka it would actually be equal to Homelander's AP) scales to Reiner being able to tank the Colossal titan tanking the Colossal's blast. Look at what the Collosal did here, melting through a massive chunk of land like that would FAR exceed 3500 Celsius

That's just not true? The highest melting point of any rock on earth is barely over 3600 with most rocks being waaaayyyy lower, and I heavily doubt the ground there is made out of tungsten lol.

Yeah, I think it needs to be mentioned that Eren's hardening far exceeds his 8A value, given he can easily tear through Reiner's armor like paper, which scales to that value. So that 4x AP gap is something Eren can cross over.

That's cool, so does Homelanders heat vision scale above his physicals and is a concentrated beam giving it extra piercing power

Combined with his hardening scaling to the heat of the Colossal's explosion, he can block HL's lasers well

No, no he can't.

What's more, his high-mid regen cannot be ignored. Pure titans who are far below Eren can regenerate sliced limbs almost instantly

That's a toe. Homelander is slicing it in half which Eren isn't regenerating from in time.

And even if he did Homelander can spam heat vision no diff while titan regen is extremely stamina tasking so he'd just slice it again.

and can restore all lost limbs in a short timeframe.

Not really. Titan regen is not that fast.

So even if HL were to target the parts uncovered by hardening, Eren can just restore them and keep on fighting

Let's say Eren can do that.
Homelander just slices him up again.
And again
And again.

Eren is going to be grasping for air after the third regen while Homelander won't even be slightly tired. And that's assuming Homelander wouldn't just go for the kill the moment he notices Erens real body hiding away.

 

[ShionAH]

Homelander uses it all the time. He legit noticed the tumor in Butchers brain during a random conversation and same with the tentacles in his chest. He also constantly listens for heartbeats so he'd hear Erens real body in his nape too

X Ray should probably be a passive ability, I don’t think he actives it and the hearing is most definitely a passive since its just normal senses being enhanced

 

[Mommyleona]

X Ray should probably be a passive ability, I don’t think he actives it and the hearing is most definitely a passive since its just normal senses being enhanced

its not passive

 

[ShionAH]

its not passive

I remembered now, so maybe not but hearing is

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eren FRA

Lowkey going to be upgraded to City level soon

 

[LaserPrecision]

Why is the idea of them having heat resistance inherently so difficult to comprehend? Especially when we have Eren casually swimming through stomach acid with no injuries

What does acid have to do with a heat resistance at all. Acid causes a chemical reaction that breaks down a material, it isn't hot. In fact acid can be cold and still dissolves (or corrodes) just fine.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What does acid have to do with a heat resistance at all. Acid causes a chemical reaction that breaks down a material, it isn't hot. In fact acid can be cold and still dissolves (or corrodes) just fine.

If youre looking for heat resistance, the Colossus Titan gives off heat comparable to the surface of the sun and Eren can stand on it with zero issue

 

[LaserPrecision]

If youre looking for heat resistance, the Colossus Titan gives off heat comparable to the surface of the sun and Eren can stand on it with zero issue

I'm not looking for a heat resistance, I was asking why stomach acid was being compared to heat despite them being two entirely different processes. I don't care about the match up.

 

[Hecky2222]

Voting for Milk lover for @DavidTPPM reasons

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Voting for Milk lover for @DavidTPPM reasons

David's arguments ahve been debunked though

 

[ShionAH]

David's arguments ahve been debunked though

No, I believe they weren’t actually.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Just because it has SOME heat resistance doesn't mean it has this level of heat resistance.

He resists heat comparable to the surface of the sun, Homlander's heat vision is not that hot

He doesn't need one. Titan regen takes a long time and a TON of energy. He could literally slice up the titan, let Eren create a new one, and slice it up again and boom Eren is out of stamina.

Titan regen doesnt require energy at all. Its not even technically regen, its another entity rebuilding a Titan's body from a higher dimensional plane of existence.

And like we already said, Homelanders enhanced hearing and xray vision would tell him Erens real body is in the nape and he'd just slice him up.

Homelander uses it all the time. He legit noticed the tumor in Butchers brain during a random conversation and same with the tentacles in his chest. He also constantly listens for heartbeats so he'd hear Erens real body in his nape too

Hell not only is it in-character to use whenever but given Erens unconventional physiology in the titan form Homelander would 100% be intrigued by it enough to check how his body works with xray vision.

Knowing where Eren is wont help when he cant hurt Eren

Hardening gets sliced through like it's made out of butter.

Hardening is 84x more durable than Eren's 8-A durability feat, its not getting cut through at all

That's just not true? The highest melting point of any rock on earth is barely over 3600 with most rocks being waaaayyyy lower, and I heavily doubt the ground there is made out of tungsten lol.

See my previous explanation. Eren resists heat in excess of 5300 celsius, and he did so without Hardening.

That's cool, so does Homelanders heat vision scale above his physicals and is a concentrated beam giving it extra piercing power

84x durability amp is far superior to a 4x ap amp

No, no he can't.

He can yes

That's a toe. Homelander is slicing it in half which Eren isn't regenerating from in time.

Eren's regeneration is nearly instantaeous

And even if he did Homelander can spam heat vision no diff while titan regen is extremely stamina tasking so he'd just slice it again.

Not really. Titan regen is not that fast.

Let's say Eren can do that.
Homelander just slices him up again.
And again
And again.

Eren is going to be grasping for air after the third regen while Homelander won't even be slightly tired. And that's assuming Homelander wouldn't just go for the kill the moment he notices Erens real body hiding away.

See my previous responses. Regen doesnt use stamina and its nearly instant

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, I believe they weren’t actually.

They have now. David's arguments are based entirely around Homelander's heat vision, which Eren would be able to resist due to his heat resistance being comparable to the surface of the sun, AP, which Eren would be able to withstand if not be fully undamaged by due to his Hardening being 84x more durable than his normal durability, and regen, which not only does not require stamina as its not Eren the one regenerating but an entirely separate entity rebuilding his body from a higher plane of existence, but is also nearly instantaneous.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So yes, Eren FRA. Homelander is dealing with someone whose durability is 84x higher than his strongest attack, who resists his heat vision, who can match his range, and who can just have his body rebuilt from any damage he manages to deal

 

[DavidTPPM]

He resists heat comparable to the surface of the sun, Homlander's heat vision is not that hot

Based on what? His profile only mentions Rods titan which is only said to "boil water" which is measly 100°C. Armins profile states 300°. More than 11x below Homelanders lasers.

Sun level heat is extremely susceptible to anti feats so unless there's something on the profile saying he's that resistant I'm really not accepting that ngl.

Titan regen doesnt require energy at all. Its not even technically regen, its another entity rebuilding a Titan's body from a higher dimensional plane of existence.

Regen absolutely does consume energy and so does going titan which goes through the same process. To the point it's deemed a significant weakness that after 3 transformations Eren was running low on fuel and got weaker.

Slicing off Erens limbs after kidnapping him was literally used as a way to keep him from escaping because he didn't have the energy to regen back properly back in like season 2ish.

Knowing where Eren is wont help when he cant hurt Eren

Good thing he can.

Hardening is 84x more durable than Eren's 8-A durability feat, its not getting cut through at all

No tf it's not? That'd make it like 7-C which it blatantly just isn't lmao. Where did you even pull that multiplier from?

Eren's regeneration is nearly instantaeous

No it's not? Especially not with major injuries like getting cut in half.

See my previous responses. Regen doesnt use stamina and its nearly instant

I'm starting to think you actually might be just lying ngl.

For example, in chapter 119 the Jaw titan bit off Erens leg at the start of the chapter. Then Eren has a wholeass brawl with Reiner, Zeke gets taken down and roars, Porco becomes a Titan, goes to eat Reiner, Porco titan comes in to sacrifice himself, gets eaten, and Eren is STILL MISSING HIS DAMN LEG.

Solid 5 minutes of high intensity combat where Eren absolutely needed to regenerate as fast as possible to get to Zeke and his bumass didn't even get close to healing a single leg. Not only that, he only lost his leg from around the ankle and still somehow did NO PROGRESS in all that time.

And this is just me opening a completely random fight since it's been like half a decade since I've read AOT, so it's probably not even the worst one.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Eren's regeneration is nearly instantaeous

Yeah but a bullet to the brain in season 4 in Maria almost cost him his life due to incacipation. No its not. Profile also says otherwise.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah but a bullet to the brain in season 4 in Maria almost cost him his life due to incacipation. No its not. Profile also says otherwise.

It is instantaneous in his titan form, not his himan form. profile will be revised in the near future to reflect this.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Eren's whole stick here is to "stratergize" to win against a normal sized human (Stronger btw). Bro doesn't even start off with using War Hammer abilities and Hardening while Homelander after seeing some Kaiju sized human will likely start with Heat Vision or Punching Eren incredibly hard with 4x the force of his AP and one shot gaps above his durability.

NOTE: Eren's durability is 8-C normally, Homelander is literally 800 tons of TNT loll.

Eren likely starts off by kicking at Homelander (Who'd just tank) or swatting at him which will be unsuccess, Homie can fly. He will NOT start with hardening against a Human sized foe. Never happened. No one is AOT got that treatment ever. Eren also doesn't have information analysis so he wouldn't even see the possibility of being weaker than Homie or getting one hit by lasers

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

It is instantaneous in his titan form, not his himan form. profile will be revised in the near future to reflect this.

Yeah, in Season 4, his Titan head got sniper which incacipated him for minutes. It's Gojover. Get these revisions passed before making these claims on here

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Based on what? His profile only mentions Rods titan which is only said to "boil water" which is measly 100°C. Armins profile states 300°. More than 11x below Homelanders lasers.

Based on the guidebook, which states that the colossus titans give off heat that is 5300 Celsius

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Sun level heat is extremely susceptible to anti feats so unless there's something on the profile saying he's that resistant I'm really not accepting that ngl.

not sure why its not on the profile, i will add that to the revision thread. Him having this level of heat resistance has been used in dozens of threads over the years.

Regen absolutely does consume energy and so does going titan which goes through the same process. To the point it's deemed a significant weakness that after 3 transformations Eren was running low on fuel and got weaker.

it does not consume energy no. Eren is not the one regenerating, he is being rebuilt from the outside by Ymir.

Slicing off Erens limbs after kidnapping him was literally used as a way to keep him from escaping because he didn't have the energy to regen back properly back in like season 2ish.

Yes, in his HUMAN form, which has slower regeneration, and even then thata only pre-timeskip, post timeskip eren regenerated a severed leg in his human form in seconds. In his titan form it is instantaneous.

Good thing he can.

No tf it's not? That'd make it like 7-C which it blatantly just isn't lmao. Where did you even pull that multiplier from?

He is 7-C yes, 7-C to Low 7-B is where he's going to sit once the revisions for him are done. Multiplier comes from the guidebook that flat out says that eren's punches are 84x stronger than his phyaical durability which is why his limbs explode when he throws punches, which is then mitigated by Hardening.

No it's not? Especially not with major injuries like getting cut in half.

It is yes

I'm starting to think you actually might be just lying ngl.

I am not no. I've spent the past few months researching Eren for an Eren vs Ken Kaneki blog, I am one of the most knowledgeable members on this site in regards to AoT

And this is just me opening a completely random fight since it's been like half a decade since I've read AOT, so it's probably not even the worst one.

You picked the singular fight where Eren was prioritizing reaching Zeke over fighting or regenerating

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eren's whole stick here is to "stratergize" to win against a normal sized human (Stronger btw). Bro doesn't even start off with using War Hammer abilities and Hardening while Homelander after seeing some Kaiju sized human will likely start with Heat Vision or Punching Eren incredibly hard with 4x the force of his AP and one shot gaps above his durability.

NOTE: Eren's durability is 8-C normally, Homelander is literally 800 tons of TNT loll.

Eren's durability without Hardening is 7-C

Eren likely starts off by kicking at Homelander (Who'd just tank) or swatting at him which will be unsuccess, Homie can fly. He will NOT start with hardening against a Human sized foe. Never happened. No one is AOT got that treatment ever. Eren also doesn't have information analysis so he wouldn't even see the possibility of being weaker than Homie or getting one hit by lasers

So you're just ignoring every single fight then? Because every single fight that had humans vs titan shifters had the shifters lead with Hardening.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Eren's durability without Hardening is 7-C

So you're just ignoring every single fight then? Because every single fight that had humans vs titan shifters had the shifters lead with Hardening.

Hardening to protect themselves. Not to attack them physically.. Annie uses it to protect her nape, reiner uses it for various reasons such as better grip while climbing aswell as in battle against other titans. Never has Eren in his Titan form hardened his fist to punch at a regular military man, its always against a equal sized Titan Shifter or Pure Titan.

Um Sir Knowledge Within AOT, read the profile. Eren is Tier 8

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Based on the guidebook, which states that the colossus titans give off heat that is 5300 Celsius

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Not on the profile. Unusable. Most of these Guidebook references are not even on the profile

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hardening to protect themselves. Not to attack them physically.. Annie uses it to protect her nape, reiner uses it for various reasons such as better grip while climbing aswell as in battle against other titans. Never has Eren in his Titan form hardened his fist to punch at a regular military man, its always against a equal sized Titan Shifter or Pure Titan.

Um Sir Knowledge Within AOT, read the profile. Eren is Tier 8

I know, I'm saying the profile is wrong and outdated. Once it is updated properly he will be 7-C

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not on the profile. Unusable. Most of these Guidebook references are not even on the profile

They will be on the profile when the profile is updated.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The struggle of using a profile that's almost four years outdated. Hes missing a ton of guidebook stuff, almost all of the powers he gets from the Founder (causality manip, low godly regen, reality warping, HDE, potential actuality, etc.) And a ton of feats and scaling.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It also doesn't help that all the aot profiles need to be essentially remade from scratch now that we accept the anime as primary canon

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sorry for the delay

 

[GodEarh206]

powers he gets from the Founder (causality manip, low godly regen, reality warping, HDE, potential actuality, etc.)

Damn, for real?

 

[DemonicDude]

Eren Yeager deserved better than the dog shit ending of AOT

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Damn, for real?

Yeah, the anime made it a whole thing that Paths are timelines/lines of causality (directly shown in the OVAs as it has both Mikasa and Annie experience parallel timelines through a branch in their respective Paths) and that there are an infinite number of them (This is outright stated in the anime) while The World of The Paths transcends them altogether, with Eren while empowered by Ymir existing naturally in this higher realm as The Coordinate, the place where all Paths intersect. This also makes him effectively a fixed point in time, and he even directly mentions that he actively tried to alter causality to change the eventual outcome and failed, so he instead opted for altering the events leading up to that outcome.

Basically Eren has Type 8 immortality via himself in the future and acausality via being a fixed point in time where its a set event in time that Mikasa will be the one to kill him.

 

[DemonicDude]

Eren is a specifically using attack Titan in the fight right?
If you have not really seen much of the Attack Titan as far as one versus fight goes, One of the more popular times I remember him using was during the fight against the Warhammer Titan than Eren invaded the Marley.



So I'm interested in knowing how is Eren going to utilize his type it immortality and his connection to paths in this fight ?
like I just want to know how would he use this in one-on-one battle as Attack titan.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So I'm interested in knowing how is Eren going to utilize his type it immortality and his connection to paths in this fight ?

Oh no I just brought that stuff up in reference to some of the powers that were missing from Eren's profile, aside from the type 8 it wouldnt really apply here

like I just want to know how would he use this in one-on-one battle as Attack titan.

Eren's immortality is just sorta weird, because he has Type 8 via himself from the future and the fixed point in time where Mikasa kills him, so you'd effectively need a form of causality manipulation to be able to outright kill him. He can still be incapacitated though.

 

[DemonicDude]

Well if that rules of versus battle says about this power then yeah, I think a lot of battle would also come down to the skill as well and Eren is very decently skilled in military combat utilizing in his Attack Titan form.
I'm going with Eren

 

[Doggo]

I'm not looking for a heat resistance, I was asking why stomach acid was being compared to heat despite them being two entirely different processes. I don't care about the match up.

I'm mentioning it to showcase AOT humans can survive extreme conditions, so their surviving heat does not downgrade the Colossal's heat at all. Although I do acknowledge how iffy my argument comes across, my bad.

 

[Doggo]

Eren Yeager deserved better than the dog shit ending of AOT

It's not dogshit.... It's literally about Eren being unable to escape what made him...well him: hatred

Rather than choosing any other path, he chose the one that resonated with him the most. He simply wanted to destroy from the very core of his being. Wanting to kill the Titans. Wanting to kill Reiner and Berhtoldt for their betrayal. Then the whole world.

That and the ending, where Paridis still suffers from war, reflects how humanity would also choose violence


Isayama deadass was already foreshadowing Eren's fall for a long time, and the themes for Paradis's ending were already made apparent with the entire Marley ar

 

[Lilybitdun]

Eren's durability without Hardening is 7-C

Bro is making up stats that don't exist on the profile

Make a CRT if you believe in Tier 7 AoT

 

[Doggo]

I thought tier 7 only applied to his hardening? Also its not on his profile so yeah his arguments dont really hold up aside from the heat thing

 

[DemonicDude]

It's not dogshit....

the moment i made i comment i was patiently waiting like a snake to use this meme

 

[Doggo]

the moment i made i comment i was patiently waiting like a snake to use this meme

Gotta admit

That was brilliant