NON TOURNAMENT MATCH: Halibel vs Kamen Rider Glare (3 DAYS Deadline for matches PASSED & Both parties agreed on incon)

[DemonicDude]

wonder what happens if you replace W in Satella's name by the letter H

 

[Tatsumi504]

wonder what happens if you replace W in Satella's name by the letter H

SatellaTheHoe?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Maybe we should just disqualify both characters lol

 

[DemonicDude]

SatellaTheHoe?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Honestly, if you ask me, I think 90% of the bracket kinda ***** Shock Rock either way. On the top of my head, we have these two bozos, Qiqi who's gonna invalidate everyone by having her future self pull her present self out of sticky situations and win (no DT, you can't restrict standard equipment especially if it doesn't tier jump in the first place), some guys from two of the strongest light novel series and etc etc. The only ones that actually meet the tiersetter standards are the other ben 10 aliens, Zarude and maybe Orochi (tho even then the Garou piggyback is there) and Goff Goffer iirc. I don't particularly mind having my entry be disqualified, but if like 90% of the bracket is just a walking shock rock killer bomb amogus game, then this tiersetter tourney is kinda ******.

As for the arguments about whether Glare can beat Halibel or lose to Shock Rock, I can't defend skillslop. But ability-wise, Shock Rock can kinda **** with Glare to the point that I myself am surprised. If I'm disqualified, so be it. I can continue the Geats revision and get around my spotty ass schedule. Otherwise, I'll need some time to read over every piece of args after my posts. But first, can we just decide whether I can even continue this match since people are constantly outcrying why he doesn't fit the tiersetter while hiding parts of their characters that don't hold the tiersetter standards in the first place.

Amogus. Sus. This is literally Amogus right now.

EDIT: Watch others be silent and try to hide this fact btw

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Honestly, if you ask me, I think 90% of the bracket kinda ***** Shock Rock either way. On the top of my head, we have these two bozos, Qiqi who's gonna invalidate everyone by having her future self pull her present self out of sticky situations and win (no DT, you can't restrict standard equipment especially if it doesn't tier jump in the first place), some guys from two of the strongest light novel series and etc etc. The only ones that actually meet the tiersetter standards are the other ben 10 aliens, Zarude and maybe Orochi (tho even then the Garou piggyback is there). I don't particularly mind having my entry be disqualified, but if like 90% of the bracket is just a walking shock rock killer bomb amogus game, then this tiersetter tourney is kinda ******.

As for the arguments about whether Glare can beat Halibel or lose to Shock Rock, I can't defend skillslop. But ability-wise, Shock Rock can kinda **** with Glare to the point that I myself am surprised. If I'm disqualified, so be it. I can continue the Geats revision and get around my spotty ass schedule. Otherwise, I'll need some time to read over every piece of args after my posts. But first, can we just decide whether I can even continue this match since people are constantly outcrying why he doesn't fit the tiersetter while hiding parts of their characters that don't hold the tiersetter standards in the first place.

Amogus. Sus. This is literally Amogus right now.

Read black clover

 

[Shadowslash125]

Read black clover

Black Clover Shock Rock Victim
What if we try to be freaky, and instead of Shock Rock, it's Shock **** and-[REDACTED]

 

[Minaaaa]

could you send the official link?

Here's the ones for Regad Omega, Zero Two & Storious as the ones used i think

 

[Shadowslash125]

Here's the ones for Regad Omega, Zero Two & Storious as the ones used i think

To further back this up, KRwiki does have reliable translations, otherwise we'd be banned from the wiki. I made sure of this lol.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Honestly, if you ask me, I think 90% of the bracket kinda ***** Shock Rock either way. On the top of my head, we have these two bozos, Qiqi who's gonna invalidate everyone by having her future self pull her present self out of sticky situations and win (no DT, you can't restrict standard equipment especially if it doesn't tier jump in the first place), some guys from two of the strongest light novel series and etc etc. The only ones that actually meet the tiersetter standards are the other ben 10 aliens, Zarude and maybe Orochi (tho even then the Garou piggyback is there) and Goff Goffer iirc. I don't particularly mind having my entry be disqualified, but if like 90% of the bracket is just a walking shock rock killer bomb amogus game, then this tiersetter tourney is kinda ******.

See, my hands are clean, cause Doom is sorta helpless against Shockrock's flight without a broom and his LS isn't enough for a TK carry.

Good job, me

 

[Shadowslash125]

See, my hands are clean, cause Doom is sorta helpless against Shockrock's flight without a broom and his LS isn't enough for a TK carry.

Good job, me

Does he include skillslop? More power to you if you pass. I'm just calling out the usual suspects of wolf in sheep's clothing lololol

 

[First_Witch]

Honestly, if you ask me, I think 90% of the bracket kinda ***** Shock Rock either way. On the top of my head, we have these two bozos, Qiqi who's gonna invalidate everyone by having her future self pull her present self out of sticky situations and win (no DT, you can't restrict standard equipment especially if it doesn't tier jump in the first place), some guys from two of the strongest light novel series and etc etc. The only ones that actually meet the tiersetter standards are the other ben 10 aliens, Zarude and maybe Orochi (tho even then the Garou piggyback is there) and Goff Goffer iirc. I don't particularly mind having my entry be disqualified, but if like 90% of the bracket is just a walking shock rock killer bomb amogus game, then this tiersetter tourney is kinda ******.

As for the arguments about whether Glare can beat Halibel or lose to Shock Rock, I can't defend skillslop. But ability-wise, Shock Rock can kinda **** with Glare to the point that I myself am surprised. If I'm disqualified, so be it. I can continue the Geats revision and get around my spotty ass schedule. Otherwise, I'll need some time to read over every piece of args after my posts. But first, can we just decide whether I can even continue this match since people are constantly outcrying why he doesn't fit the tiersetter while hiding parts of their characters that don't hold the tiersetter standards in the first place.

Amogus. Sus. This is literally Amogus right now.

EDIT: Watch others be silent and try to hide this fact btw

Anne Mayer sitting quietly in the corner. I followed zem rules.

 

[DemonicDude]

Anne Mayer sitting quietly in the corner.

Sad dry Leonhard nosies.

I'm voting incon here.

Edit: Removing my vote.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Sad dry Leonhard nosies.

I'm voting incon here.

Honestly I think the more important question rn is whether these two (and others that can, might and will defeat shock rock) (likely excluding doom and Anne) still be in the tourney at all. Because they are gonna be called out like this every match they're in to no end.

 

[DemonicDude]

Honestly I think the more important question rn is whether these two (and others that can, might and will defeat shock rock) (likely excluding doom and Anne) still be in the tourney at all. Because they are gonna be called out like this every match they're in to no end.

Matches aren't that bad, They lose to Sr but not 51 percent. it's more like tier setter wins 25 percent and those characters you mentioned wins 70 to 75 percent.
It would be too late to make a U-turn now. Unless people wants to replace their character or exit the tournament.

 

[Tatsumi504]

some guys from two of the strongest light novel series

Be more wary of the other guy, my guy is just here to carry with stats, skill and a few gimmicks

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Matches aren't that bad, They lose to Sr but not 51 percent. it's more like tier setter wins 25 percent

You know that I did not participate because I could not find anyone who could lose to shock rock 50% of the time and now you are just changing the rule right?

 

[DontTalkDT]

(no DT, you can't restrict standard equipment especially if it doesn't tier jump in the first place)

Yes you can? Only rule is that matches with restricted standard equip can't be added.
And honestly, since we allow games to be added now, that should really be revised at some point.

 

[EvoltOz]

But even better than those, is Kamen Rider 03. They fought Kamen Rider Zein, who was using Hyper Clock Up (This is the best video i can find on it copyright lol). So he uses Kamen Rider Kabuto's card which makes him go Hyper Clock Up. Basically, their precognition can hit targets going at immeasurable speed.

Just to clarify, 03 was only able to predict Zein when he used normal clock up. But the moment Zein activated Hyper Clock Up, they got blitzed, so this isn't really true. The rest is valid tho.

 

[DemonicDude]

You know that I did not participate because I could not find anyone who could lose to shock rock 50% of the time and now you are just changing the rule right?

I have not changed the rules. I think matches are not as bad, especially this one better Halibel and Glare. Both are of these are character's are comparable

 

[Shadowslash125]

Matches aren't that bad, They lose to Sr but not 51 percent. it's more like tier setter wins 25 percent and those characters you mentioned wins 70 to 75 percent.
It would be too late to make a U-turn now. Unless people wants to replace their character or exit the tournament.

Welp, looks like this means that I can go all out then lololol

Args will come after dinner tho.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Before I continue, didn't the Re-Zero side have like two to three votes already? They aren't in the tracker

 

[DemonicDude]

Before I continue, didn't the Re-Zero side have like two to three votes already? They aren't in the tracker

I was waiting for you and @SatellaTheWoE to argue, I have added the votes.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Honestly, if you ask me, I think 90% of the bracket kinda ***** Shock Rock either way.

Jokes on you, Hakurou loses due to getting ****** by AoE and range...

 

[DemonicDude]

make sure both sides uses same keys As presented against tier setter in main thread.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I was waiting for you and @SatellaTheWoE to argue, I have added the votes.

I will get a post or two up by tonight, trust last

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Does he include skillslop? More power to you if you pass. I'm just calling out the usual suspects of wolf in sheep's clothing lololol

Oh... yeah, he's from Mashle, lots of it....

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

And honestly, since we allow games to be added now, that should really be revised at some point.

You willing to do that for us rq?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Anyways, what are the arguments for both sides?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Uhhhhhhhhh, lemme continue responding rq and then I'll resummarize

 

[DontTalkDT]

You willing to do that for us rq?

Sure.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Damn, that works, I guess.

 

[DemonicDude]

Sure.

Why don't profiles on this site have a Stats Equal section like this?
What harm is it doing to wiki for having debates? Isn't that the purpose of the wiki

 

[Kachon123]

Maybe we should just disqualify both characters lol

I agree with this. Infinite LS and infinite skillslop is too crazy for this

 

[Lort15]

Why don't profiles on this site have a Stats Equal section like this?
What harm is it doing to wiki for having debates? Isn't that the purpose of the wiki

Equalizing haxs and skills when

 

[Shadowslash125]

I have argument debts to pay so expect me to make over 2–3 posts.

Intuition stuff will work against tech too, the strategem was also a tech based thing afterall. Deadspot can also be used to find weak spots on people that would instantly one shot them, which is how he kept on killing Eugard. This is without his killing curses, or other techniques

Nothing in Valga's profile ever suggested of a stratagem that's tech. In fact, there's no sign of a stratagem in his profile at all. Also, deadspot doesn't have anything that insinuates he oneshots in Hal's profiles either. If they can indeed do that, that's definitely going to require a crt to implement into the profile. Otherwise, this is nothing.
Even if his tech-nulling is valid, let me reiterate again. Can he even null 4-D tech?

It's powernull that is based on death hax that can kill anything. If it exists/can exist within Re:Zero it can be nullified. Tech would be included.

If there's death hax, then put the death hax on the p&a alongside the powernull. If we're really using from shit not in the profiles, I should just bring up my revision on Geats and use the bloody sandbox I have for basic spark, which has RE with huge range that it doesn't ever fall in NLF when they're able to reactively evolve to counter any and every ability.

Btw, does KRG have a way to do anything about paralysis inducement via shadow manip like a certain nara does in naruto?

His balls can detach from his armor and fight independently, which is one certain way to deal with him being paralysed by his shadow. Although his info analysis + extrasensory perception ultimately prevents Halibel from sneaking up an upper hand on him, which will just prompt him to float away.

A regular human should technically be able to sense him. They simply don't. His presence itself is hidden. There's zero reason whatsoever that being able to detect every minute detail would make any difference.

Yes, a regular human. This is a Kamen Rider.
Also prove he can erase himself from an interdimensional radar before we continue. Otherwise, this is nothingburger.

... I only mean reflecting light in the same way everyone reflects light. He is visible. His presence is just hidden. He cannot be noticed.

We can continue this if he's proven to be able to hide his presence from an interdimensional radar.

This is false equivalency; these are not clones that are made up of a drastically different density, heck Eugard would be able to sense if they were lighter or heavier based on that, more importantly can you prove that the esp KRG has, can discern between the real or a physical clone or not? Visual clues are not gonna be the answer here.

Which ultimately supports my point that it can be function identically to the OG substance, but it isn't literally said substance. Also, he's not visually discerning the clones, his antenna can accurately give detailed info about his surroundings and the objects in them. Also also, the fact that he's able to discern shit like fluctuations in space-time means whatever Hal's clones are made of is just child's play.

There isn't a fake amongst the main clones. They are all the real Halibel and are all exactly the same in every way

The wording begs to differ.
On par in the Merriam-Webster dictionary states: "at the same level or standard as (someone or something else)" Even though the Cambridge Dictionary seems to be in line with how you think on par means, the examples shown are just "this thing is equal to that thing in relation to a certain function". Hence, my analogy with the kilogram of feathers/steel and chicken in the woods. Halibel's genuine clone can be stuffed with tomato sauce for all I know, but it's obviously going to be on par with his real substances if they're able to function the same way.

Funnily enough, even if he does know which one is the real one, he did still have to fight against 4 Halibels and he would just be able to go all out by sacrificing and respawning them constantly

Thankfully Kamen Riders are known for their aoe shenanigans so this is fine.

they did be broken if halibel deadspots them, you dont see undead zombies coming back to life after he kills them off afterall.

The inherent difference is that there's an on and off switch for tech shit. But that'd only matter if he's proven to be able to powernull 4-D tech.

I should add here, ReZero characters can react to stuff without being able to sense them at all. Halibel was still able to sneak up on them, this means that even if you can perceive "normally unpercievable events", it did still be a stretch to say you could know where halibel is

He's still bound to the third dimension so as long as he's within range, Glare can accurately pinpoint every move he makes. There's no such thing as reacting to being on the radar lol.

Okay, so it's not that big of a deal then. One of the scans on his profile makes it seem like it doesn't require any contact. If it does then he's in nearly the same situation as Halibel with his one-shot and the fight will come down to other factors.

Technically it is ranged in the way that his balls are ranged; he just needs his balls to touch or to chokehold him for it to kick online.

First post out of idk done. Let's see if I can cram more into here.
Apparently Ixa and Mina already handled those already. Ah well, lemme catch up with the times.

EDIT: This here is the translation declaration crt we did to use translated scans from the KRWiki along with having our own translator to accurately translate scans not covered by the KRWiki. This indicates what statement scans we're using comes from accurate (and official, since the translated scans come from actual toei websites, the company behind Kamen Rider), and are therefore valid for usage lol.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I genuinely don't think any of these guys would lose to Shock Rock but whatever

I second handedly agree with this

 

[Shadowslash125]

I mean, I did ask whether we'd be eliminated based on infringing the tiersetter and the OP just let it continue. I don't mind if I get disqualified, but if I'm not getting disqualified, I'm just gonna keep on continuing.

 

[Kachon123]

Who will they be replaced by

 

[DemonicDude]

tomorrow I want result on this match.