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Rage amp for Mark wasn't rejected, it was removed. Besides the logic at the time for him having it being faulty, Kirkman himself debunked it. Best that could be argued for Mark is Berserker Rage
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Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread
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StarShooter80
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they were uh... they were pretty big, kinda strong, the feats DID infact happen
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A tournament is taking place if people are interested.
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People would debate that last part about two of them lol
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Now, values aside, what are you main takeaways on the way characters scale to each other ? besides being inconsistent
There's been some talk about Allen's power level. Back in S2 they adapted his encounter for Anissa beat for beat, where she can barely hurt him, but since then he's been shown to actually be roughly on par with Nolan and him and Anissa are shown clasing a couple times
There's been some talk about Allen's power level. Back in S2 they adapted his encounter for Anissa beat for beat, where she can barely hurt him, but since then he's been shown to actually be roughly on par with Nolan and him and Anissa are shown clasing a couple times
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Overall? The verse being planetary is one of the most blatant metas I’ve ever seen. Similar to Manga Dragon Ball but less blatant than Toei Dragon Ball.
I have never understood people downplaying the verse to be like continental despite seeing 3 of them blow up a planet (which was confirmed by wog to be beefier than Earth so)
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Allen being stronger than Nolan in the comics after this his first evolution sound bs to me.
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It happened in some fashion
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I mean character relativity. For what is worth the showrunner himself admits they mostly have an idea of the hierarchy
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No ones gonna mention Thula going band for band with Battle Beast? Ok I will. The show treats every viltrumite as somewhat relative to each other, so scaling chains based on battle showings between viltrumites not named Thragg or Conquest are bunk. Allen has pretty clearly been nerfed from his comic counterpart (Which I welcome) to be around standard viltrumite level. Some notable exception to the viltrumite tier include Nolan, Conquest, Thaedus and of course Thragg. It's pretty clear now any scaling chains made in the future also need to take into account kirkmans wonky views on character strength, meaning goring another character and getting momentarily overwhelmed by attacks is not valid upscaling unless there is a clear showcase of superiority.
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Like the poster above says, the showrunners want everyone other than Thragg to be relative to each other sooo
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Makes me wonder how they'll adapt Null (Assuming Teckjacket gets a spin-off or special).
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This high-key makes no sense due to more focused power being actually higher AP, given it's more concentrated than a normal fist, it's literally why stabbing with a knife is more effective than punching, right because of it being sharper, thus having a higher pressure due to the force being focused on a far smaller area.
Hell the Viltrumites always use those hands as a knife.
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Incredibly unlikely, which tbh I don't mind because Zoe is yet another victim of the budget, no melee weapons and just two forms of cannons. An actual adaptation of the Tech Jacket comics would look very bland
Her armor overall also seems to be worse. Like, everyone slanders Zack with that pannel of Anissa crushing him but at least there she has to make constant pressure to break it, in Zoe's case it seems only the metal of her chestplate and helmet can take viltrumite hits, the blue bits are far weaker
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That last paragraph wouldn't make any sense at all, considering that we see them punch her in those parts in multiple moments and she never instantly died to those strikes
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Excuse me then because I didn't notice if that's the case, at least the way the Anissa scene is framed if she had hit her she would've split her open of something like that
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Considering that she was going for the hand chop, which we have seen multiple times can cut through comparable opponents...
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How was it debunked by Kirkman? All he said was that adrenaline strength wasn’t exclusive to Mark compared to other Viltrumites. Nolan mentions adrenaline as one factor for Mark winning against Conquest in the end
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I am curious, what is the general consensus on the shows iteration of planet viltrum and it not being one tapped by space racers gun
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General consensus seems to be space racers gun pierces things but does not cause them to explode, meaning shooting at the planet alone would do nothing but poke holes in it. The show shows the laser piercing all the way through the planet unlike the comics, which doesn't support the "viltrum core tanked the blast" argument.
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Can this apply to the show?
Same exact statement. Though probably with a "possibly higher" given that Thragg says "more than enough" in the show.
Same exact statement. Though probably with a "possibly higher" given that Thragg says "more than enough" in the show.
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In terms of LS? Maybe, the last few eps of s4 kinda messed with the LS for viltrumtes. Though we could just call it a inconsistency
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At least on my end, I don't think it'd be too crazy to brush off the Infinity Ray being able to destroy stars on it's own but not Viltrum, with it being portrayed like the viltrumites required it to destroy the planet but still seemingly doing most of the work, as just quirks of the writing
Like, this is the same series where a there's a viltrumite-level villain casually hanging around Earth and it's a tertiary character at best
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for me I'm kind of leaning towards viltruim just being built different, it's already been confirmed by one of the writers that viltruim is "jacked" especially with the whole sun disk thing, none of the vilrtumites getting Koed by the planet exploding and the plantery statements sprinkled throughout the show, There's grounds for some higher scaling tbh.At least on my end, I don't think it'd be too crazy to brush off the Infinity Ray being able to destroy stars on it's own but not Viltrum, with it being portrayed like the viltrumites required it to destroy the planet but still seemingly doing most of the work, as just quirks of the writing
Like, this is the same series where a there's a viltrumite-level villain casually hanging around Earth and it's a tertiary character at best
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I don't recall seeing any of the Viltrumites tanking the planet explosion
Also Viltrum only stated to be jacked in comparison to earth nothing about it compared to Stars
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Howdy, guys. Just curious, but have there been any calcs regarding the destruction of Viltrum in the show?
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We see them get knocked back by the explosion
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Doesn’t matter, point is it’s more durable which gives it credence for why space racer couldn’t one tap it.
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Yes, there is one that I'm aware of, but no calc member has evaluated it, and the destruction of Viltrum is estimated anywhere between High 6-A and Low 4-C
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That's a pretty wide margin...
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So someone went ahead with a TV Atom Eve profile and it's already scaling her to S1 Mark and Conquest .-.
Also there's no signs at all the she becomes massively stronger throughout the show unlike Mark
Also there's no signs at all the she becomes massively stronger throughout the show unlike Mark
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Lol that just reminded me that TV Dinosaurus got a profile before Season 4 even aired.
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I mean, besides that it's just taking time to think things through lol
Like, she's Relativistic over "Comparable to S1 Mark", but what about Teen Team who's also comparable to her, and the other characters who are comparable to their members, are they also Relativistic despite all their antifeats ? At least the guy who made Rex' profile knew he sure as hell didn't scale to Mark speed wise
Also Rex is 8-C, you can probably find a way to chainscale him to Titan, no way he's 2 tiers stronger than him
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I disagree, it would mean letting informal disorganized discourse monopolize whole verses like a clique.
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I was mostly joking and don't agree with implementing a rule either (especially since some verses have few/inactive supporters), which is why I had the text as strikethrough
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It's the same statement the show uses.
Why not also use it for AP?
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Just watched the story mode for the new invincible game, it was actually pretty interesting and the animation was and fights were really good for the cutscenes. The only interesting thing powerscaling wise was Ella mental and maybe something else
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Conquest vs Invincible variants (TV continuity)
Doing this in F&G given that the Variants lack profiles atm. This is using the TV continuity. Take that as a what if Conquest came on Earth days earlier. I'll make this in rounds on how many Variants he has to fight. Round 1: Sinister Mark, Mohawk Mark, Omni Mark and Viltrum Mark. Round 2...
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