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Firefly and SAM vs Frieza (Honkai: Star Rail vs Dragon Ball Z Toei)

Just like Firefly being weaker than Frieza? It’s almost a 2x gap; she’d damage him about as much as Third Zenkai Vegeta did to 2nd Form Frieza.
8x gap is required for this to happen btw deriving from the fact that you need 8x gap to one-shot your opponent fully, so no, 2x gap doesn't allow this type of stuff
Just saying, the same way Supernova blitzed Bardock, it’d blitz Firefly too.
Is there any evidence this is a perception blitz similar to like Deku from MHA or smth like that?
 
8x gap is required for this to happen btw deriving from the fact that you need 8x gap to one-shot your opponent fully, so no, 2x gap doesn't allow this type of stuff

Is there any evidence this is a perception blitz similar to like Deku from MHA or smth like that?

Blitzing= One guy can even talk and Bardock is just ******* shocked his best attack did nothing, nor did he even try to move, nor did he even try to dodge, nor his speed is able to do anything to a guy that everything he is doing is like x50 times faster and stronger than him via power levels (if they are even linear)

Edit: And if bardock scales to goku in saiyan saga, then Frieza is literally 1000 times faster, Frieza of course is blitzing someone with that speed difference, and even then, supernova is shown to be slow if one guy can even talk
 
8x gap is required for this to happen btw deriving from the fact that you need 8x gap to one-shot your opponent fully, so no, 2x gap doesn't allow this type of stuff
Still a big gap for Frieza. LS gap is even bigger, he doesn’t even need a one-shot — just needs to hold and w/ telekinesis, he’s just gonna ragdoll her
 
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Blitzing= One guy can even talk and Bardock is just ******* shocked his best attack did nothing, nor did he even try to move, nor did he even try to dodge, nor his speed is able to do anything to a guy that everything he is doing is like x50 times faster and stronger than him via power levels (if they are even linear)

He’s more scared of the Supernova than surprised his atk did nothing
Edit: And if bardock scales to goku in saiyan saga, then Frieza is literally 1000 times faster, Frieza of course is blitzing someone with that speed difference, and even then, supernova is shown to be slow if one guy can even talk
U're right? speed’s equalized here, but I don’t see Firefly having time to dodge Supernova. Tbh, one blast should already be enough.
 
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The fact that even w/ her heat manipulation, she can’t even scratch Frieza?
She absolutely can hurt with her heat value (Still one shots), Frieza would need to be an entire tier higher (than he currently is) before you'd want to make the argument his durability can offset the heat difference.
 
If Frieza was not such a sadistic fighter and was intelligent enough to use LS to finish the fight he would win

Both have enough range to basically fight at any range unless Frieza decides to literally snipe from another planet, but he in the first place has no way to escape from Firefly reach so irrelevant

Frieza was able to fight a Genius combatant but he was constantly outsmarted in that fight, Firefly is also a genius, even if he is less proficient than Goku, Frieza can't detect Ki at this point (Or does the anime change this?)

And basically also Firefly with any hit she is doing, she is breaking his tougness bar and reducing his speed, plus the heat difference that Frieza can't survive (which makes this a stomp if you don't count that Frieza could be intelligent and do LS diff, but is your choice and I don't care what happens)


How big is the upscale?
Massive, she was losing to the propagation bugs and with that she stomped a whole army of thousands to millions if I am not mistaken, but is impossible to quantify, so at best she is equal to Frieza by using thread rules, with the gap not even being x2, the Ap difference is non existant, also, she gains swords, so literally she can cut Frieza with ease like Trunks did+ heat= literally cutting butter

Edit: And if this is propagation SAM then she is summoning those bugs but that is basically Frieza vs metal cooler army so is impossible for him to do anything
 
She absolutely can hurt with her heat value (Still one shots), Frieza would need to be an entire tier higher (than he currently is) before you'd want to make the argument his durability can offset the heat difference.
Durability cannot offset heat difference btw. That's the funny part

I don't know how we're getting a less than 2x AP gap makes Frieza invincible to any and all physical strikes. If we're going this route then mfs can just argue Imaginary Energy will quantum matter/im2 diff frieza in a single shot.
 
Durability cannot offset heat difference btw. That's the funny part

I don't know how we're getting a less than 2x AP gap makes Frieza invincible to any and all physical strikes. If we're going this route then mfs can just argue Imaginary Energy will quantum matter/im2 diff frieza in a single shot.
You know how we're basically giving Genshin mfs Quantum Matter Manipulation as an ability solely by everyone being able to use Imaginary Energy as shown in HSR but nah they decided to be content with Sub-Atomic Matter Manipulation and called it a day
 
You know how we're basically giving Genshin mfs Quantum Matter Manipulation as an ability solely by everyone being able to use Imaginary Energy as shown in HSR but nah they decided to be content with Sub-Atomic Matter Manipulation and called it a day
Shigaraki diff
 
This is the biggest AP gap I've seen in my entire life!!! Get this match closed its surely an AP stomp fr
This wouldn’t even be that important if Frieza didn’t have literally everything in his favor:
• LS
• duraneg
• combat exp
• Ki Manipulation
Firefly’s only wincon is heat manipulation, and even then, Frieza just can kills her first
 
Literally only ever used his Telekinesis on a person once on a bald man
Literally only ever used his duraneg once on a bald man
combat exp
The experience in question

Stat stomping Baldy
Stat stomping Piccolo
Stat stomping Nail
Stat stomping King Vegeta
Stat stomping Vegeta
Stat stomping Base Goku
Stat stomping Gohan
Stat stomping Bardock

Ki Manipulation
Imaginary Energy > Ki Manipulation

Firefly’s only wincon is heat manipulation, and even then, Frieza just can kills her first
Imaginary Energy Quantum Matter Manipulation/IM2 one shot
Pretty sure it can
It can't. Shouldn't be a question for Dragon Ball either since Goku needs a special suit to survive the heat from the core of the earth
 
Literally only ever used his Telekinesis on a person once on a bald man

Literally only ever used his duraneg once on a bald man

The experience in question

Stat stomping Baldy
Stat stomping Piccolo
Stat stomping Nail
Stat stomping King Vegeta
Stat stomping Vegeta
Stat stomping Base Goku
Stat stomping Gohan
Stat stomping Bardock


Imaginary Energy > Ki Manipulation


Imaginary Energy Quantum Matter Manipulation/IM2 one shot

It can't. Shouldn't be a question for Dragon Ball either since Goku needs a special suit to survive the heat from the core of the earth
Yea I don't see Firefly losing this, Friday really has 0 combat experience, has always relied on his overwhelming strength to stomp others
 
Literally only ever used his Telekinesis on a person once on a bald man
Frieza only needs to restrain her with his arms—or even just his tail tbh.
Literally only ever used his duraneg once on a bald man
Still a wincon
The experience in question

Stat stomping Baldy
Stat stomping Piccolo
Stat stomping Nail
Stat stomping King Vegeta
Stat stomping Vegeta
Stat stomping Base Goku
Stat stomping Gohan
Stat stomping Bardock
3rd Zenkai Vegeta vs his 1st form
Piccolo vs his 2nd form
4th Zenkai Vegeta vs his 3rd form
Goku vs Full Power Frieza
In all these matchups, Frieza was basically relative to his opponent and still performed pretty well. Saying he has no fighting exp is kinda embarrassing tbh.

Imaginary Energy > Ki Manipulation
Propagation Path got almost nothing that frieza ain’t already resistant to. So in this case: Imaginary < Ki
Imaginary Energy Quantum Matter Manipulation/IM2 one shot
Aight, now that's actually a good wincon
 
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