Killer Peter Rebuttal Discussion

[FragrantJaguar150]

Even if it’s just written as “km,” it still makes more sense to interpret it as km/h. Because the characters repeatedly perceive bullets as threats and take cover.


There is no reason to interpret it as km/s.

I agree with you on this one. The speed is 256 km/h, but I don't think bullets are that much of a threat since old Simon was able to react to something moving at at least 600 m/s. He was fast enough to draw his sword and attempt to cut it, and he would have succeeded if it hadn't been water. He was also caught off guard, and remember, this wasn't aim dodging or Simon predicting it beforehand. The attack didn't even make a sound.

Guns are only a threat in rare cases. Even the Kongo brothers viewed those who used guns as weak, and they are definitely below Apostle level in terms of speed.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Chapter 66 - 67

Didn’t Peter block all of Thaddeus’s attacks despite the statement? Also, he said, ‘His agility is unlike anything I have faced before.’ Agility is different from travel speed.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

I agree with you on this one. The speed is 256 km/h, but I don't think bullets are that much of a threat since old Simon was able to react to something moving at at least 600 m/s. He was fast enough to draw his sword and attempt to cut it, and he would have succeeded if it hadn't been water. He was also caught off guard, and remember, this wasn't aim dodging or Simon predicting it beforehand. The attack didn't even make a sound.

Guns are only a threat in rare cases. Even the Kongo brothers viewed those who used guns as weak, and they are definitely below Apostle level in terms of speed.

Yeah bullets are mainly treated as positional threats not pure speed, the only time they can't dodge bullets is when their escape options are restricted that just go against on how the story breaks it down. You can't dodge something if all your escape options are restricted there's a big difference

 

[Viott]

Dude your argument is against focusing on speed alone because Peter isn't dealing with a visible opponent in a standard exchange

It doesn’t matter that the enemy is hidden, because he can guess where he is. Also, before dodging the bullet, he notices the bullet coming toward him.

Dorothy is literally is miles away

Prove that the girl is that far away.

and completely concealed,

It doesn’t matter; he guessed very accurately where she was, and since he was able to throw nuts at the girl, he must have almost known where she was hiding.

so Peter isn't reacting to a clear observable shot he's dealing with an attack whose timing is obscured.

If you look at his facial expression, you can already understand that he realized the sniper had fired.

And like I already said in my argument Dorothy only managed to tag Peter once in the first attempt early on because of the fact Peter momentarily pauses after detecting killing intent which showcases his awarenes operating at a level where he can sense incoming danger even from his blind spots and this doesn't represent a failure to react, but clear showcases of his perception not knowing where the incoming threat was going to land because of her position being hidden. But from that point the Peter had continued to evolve around an empty auditorium to gain the upper, but Dorothy had already encountered to his tactics by manipulating the setting blinding him with stage lights, masking her position through speakers, and even attempting to track him with a GPS device which again proves that he at the disadvantage and that this encounter doesn't involve raw speed rather than shaping the environment.

As I said, the character's concealment isn't important. He had already noticed the bullet being fired before it came toward him. If you look at his facial expression before he dodges the bullet, you can understand that. Also, because the distance is great, even a subsonic+ character could evade the bullet. As I said, the distance is long, so the bullet travels a greater distance, which means Peter could cover less distance than the bullet and easily avoid it. He was able to dodge the bullet but still got injured, which means he couldn't fully evade it.

Dude I don't really get your point dawg because Peter using a gun isn't a substitute for speed mh guy their just tools for range and even characters faster then their opponents literally eliminate threats from a distance rather exposing from a distane my guy and again Peter’s literally known for mastering every weapon.

Buddy, you keep saying the same thing over and over. I'm not going to repeat the same things to you. Just read this.

That’s not how it works. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a gun. He could reach wherever he wants by moving hundreds of times faster than a bullet. In that case, using a gun would be unnecessary.

Why would he use a weapon that is hundreds of times slower than himself? That makes no sense.

If you don't agree with this and keep saying the same things, go get a staff member.

 

[Viott]

I agree with you on this one. The speed is 256 km/h, but I don't think bullets are that much of a threat since old Simon was able to react to something moving at at least 600 m/s. He was fast enough to draw his sword and attempt to cut it, and he would have succeeded if it hadn't been water. He was also caught off guard, and remember, this wasn't aim dodging or Simon predicting it beforehand. The attack didn't even make a sound.

Guns are only a threat in rare cases. Even the Kongo brothers viewed those who used guns as weak, and they are definitely below Apostle level in terms of speed.

This is combat speed. The characters’ travel speed and reaction speed must be below supersonic.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

It doesn’t matter that the enemy is hidden, because he can guess where he is. Also, before dodging the bullet, he notices the bullet coming toward him.

This literally isn't accurate he may be infer where Dorothy was he doesn't have the access to her exact firing angle or line of sight she isn't standing somewhere Peter can track she's concealing her position using the light from the stage, and I would advise you to go back and look at the chapter because literally once he damaged her hands to get rid of her shooting he never expected her to use her foot as an advantage, then after that when Peter clearly wasn't at a disadvantage he accurately through those nuts to every bullet being fired straight towards him.

Prove that the girl is that far away.

Peter clearly states the vantage point that far away a person would be considered smaller than a speck of dust and couldn't be SEEN.

It doesn’t matter; he guessed very accurately where she was, and since he was able to throw nuts at the girl, he must have almost known where she was hiding.

You keep saying doesn't matter but it only shows how flawed your argument because there's a big difference between knowing the direction versus having a precise firing line + the timing. Dorothy's entire skill set is removing information and firing based on prediction according to Peter

As I said, the character's concealment isn't important. He had already noticed the bullet being fired before it came toward him. If you look at his facial expression before he dodges the bullet, you can understand that. Also, because the distance is great, even a subsonic+ character could evade the bullet. As I said, the distance is long, so the bullet travels a greater distance, which means Peter could cover less distance than the bullet and easily avoid it. He was able to dodge the bullet but still got injured, which means he couldn't fully evade it.

What? Dude Perception doesn't equal to full evasion capability, Peter is reacting with predefined threat created by Dorothy's prediction under conditions and what's being presented isn't a failure of speed it's literally evidence that's he operating under disadvantages. And also increased distance provide longer reaction whihc reduces the defender to gather accurate information about the attack

Buddy, you keep saying the same thing over and over. I'm not going to repeat the same things to you. Just read this.

So do you because you act as if it does something to your speed

 

[Viott]

This literally isn't accurate he may be infer where Dorothy was he doesn't have the access to her exact firing angle or line of sight she isn't standing somewhere

No. Even if Dorothy's location is dark, Peter threw nuts and accurately guessed where she was. Therefore, he must now know where she is. It's just that he can't see because Dorothy's location is dark.

Also, there is no evidence that Dorothy fired from a different location.

Peter can track she's concealing her position using the light from the stage, and I would advise you to go back and look at the chapter because literally once he damaged her hands to get rid of her shooting he never expected her to use her foot as an advantage, then after that when Peter clearly wasn't at a disadvantage he accurately through those nuts to every bullet being fired straight towards him.

This isn't reaction speed, it's combat speed.

I don't see any problem with combat speed being supersonic.

Peter clearly states the vantage point that far away a person would be considered smaller than a speck of dust and couldn't be SEEN.

These are not the panels from chapter 112; they are from an earlier chapter.

Why are you lying?

You keep saying doesn't matter but it only shows how flawed your argument

My arguments are not flawed. And what you're saying is irrelevant. Someone with a speed of 250 km/s could easily dodge even if the bullet was at the tip of their nose. And you don't understand that.

You haven't even made a logical explanation as to why it's 250 km/s. None of what you've said proves that.

because there's a big difference between knowing the direction versus having a precise firing line + the timing.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

Dorothy's entire skill set is removing information and firing based on prediction according to Peter

What difference does that make?

This doesn't prove that reaction speed is above the speed of the bullet.

What? Dude Perception doesn't equal to full evasion capability,

So??? I never said reaction speed and perception speed are the same. Even if Dorothy's location is dark, Peter threw many nuts and correctly guessed where she was. Therefore, he must now know where she is. He just can't see because Dorothy's location is dark. But that doesn't change the fact that he now knows her location.

Peter is reacting with predefined threat created by Dorothy's prediction under conditions and what's being presented isn't a failure of speed it's literally evidence that's he operating under disadvantages. And also increased distance provide longer reaction whihc reduces the defender to gather accurate information about the attack

What are you talking about? That's not how things work. Because the distance is too great, he should have more time to dodge the bullet. And he can do that by covering less distance. But despite all this, he got injured while dodging the bullet. That means he couldn't fully avoid the bullet.

So do you because you act as if it does something to your speed

What?? None of what you're saying proves it's 250 km/s. There's no reason to assume that.

 

[Pyro9278]

Calling it aim dodging doesn't remove the need to move before the explosion reaches them and they still had to escape an expanding blast radius which requires actual speed not just prediction. Also aim dodging still requires for the character to complete the movement before the danger reaches them which is still a reaction sequence.

And where do you see them aim dodging?

You don't understand the concept of aim dodging. If the character was already moving before the action began—whether it's a gunshot or a shockwave—the character covered a certain distance before the action finally occurred, which automatically negates the speed feat, and it doesn't even require analytical prediction to calculate.

Perhaps... the whole time? Kageo started moving before the bombs exploded and was already in motion, and Pedro was literally moving all over the place to avoid being near the epicenter of the explosion.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

No. Even if Dorothy's location is dark, Peter threw nuts and accurately guessed where she was. Therefore, he must now know where she is. It's just that he can't see because Dorothy's location is dark.

Also, there is no evidence that Dorothy fired from a different location.

You basically just proved my point once Peter wasn't at a multi layered disadvantage he managed to accurately hit every bullet with those nuts, but then again right after Dorothy was literally creating new ways to lead Peter to a disadvantage, secondly again there's a big difference between estimating a area and having precise Peter is probing the environment to force a reaction.

This isn't reaction speed, it's combat speed.

I don't see any problem with combat speed being supersonic.

That's not combat speed it's reaction speed he's responding in real time before the bullet reaches him.

These are not the panels from chapter 112; they are from an earlier chapter.

Why are you lying?

Buddy I'm talking about chapter 76 as well not just 112

My arguments are not flawed. And what you're saying is irrelevant. Someone with a speed of 250 km/s could easily dodge even if the bullet was at the tip of their nose. And you don't understand that.

You haven't even made a logical explanation as to why it's 250 km/s. None of what you've said proves that.

Dude you're not even listening the point being made here is that bullet interactions in this context doesn't justify a dongrade to subsonic, characters are reacting under proper conditions and Hits only occur due to prediction and informational denial not speed.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

Again difference between inferring a general area and having preice firing solution because Peter throwing objects doesn't indicate or show the exact knowledge of her timing of shots and firing angle.

What difference does that make?

This doesn't prove that reaction speed is above the speed of the bullet.

Buddy I'm arguing that the scene doesn't prove he slower than a bullet, he's literally moving in response to them.

So??? I never said reaction speed and perception speed are the same. Even if Dorothy's location is dark, Peter threw many nuts and correctly guessed where she was. Therefore, he must now know where she is. He just can't see because Dorothy's location is dark. But that doesn't change the fact that he now knows her location.

Dude you're still confusing the two because he doesn't know her exact firing angle nor does he know the exact moment she pulls the trigger

What are you talking about? That's not how things work. Increasing distance means having more time to dodge the bullet. And he could do that by covering less distance. Yet despite that, he couldn't fully dodge the bullet because he got injured.

That's only true of you know exactly where the shot is coming from and Peter doesn't have the exact timing. Also more time but worse information + pre placed shots. Dorothy isn't aiming where Peter is she's literally aiming at where he's going to be and predicting every movement according to Peter she's reacting inside the trap.

What?? None of what you're saying proves it's 250 km/s. There's no reason to assume that.

I'm not assuming I literally said the scene doesn't prove he slower than a bullet, he's literally moving in response to them, and while being under disadvantage he doesn't have any options.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

You don't understand the concept of aim dodging. If the character was already moving before the action began—whether it's a gunshot or a shockwave—the character covered a certain distance before the action finally occurred, which automatically negates the speed feat, and it doesn't even require analytical prediction to calculate.

Perhaps... the whole time? Kageo started moving before the bombs exploded and was already in motion, and Pedro was literally moving all over the place to avoid being near the epicenter of the explosion.

What you're describing is moving before the attack happens which isn't a speed feat, but that's incomplete because actual aim dodging equates avoiding the target before the attack is executed not moving at any point before the detonation.

The bombs are actively detonating and the blast is expanding across the environment and Kageo and Peter are still moving during the explosion. Also omnidirectional explosion cannot be aim dodged there expanding in all directions you can't just move out of the way you have to move from the blast radius before it reaches you. And to be honest that doesn't invalidate the feat because the panel shows they were still within the danger zone as the explosives were going off.

 

[Pyro9278]

What you're describing is moving before the attack happens which isn't a speed feat, but that's incomplete because actual aim dodging equates avoiding the target before the attack is executed not moving at any point before the detonation.

And that's considered Aim Dodging, and you said it yourself, it's not considered a speed feat.

The bombs are actively detonating and the blast is expanding across the environment and Kageo and Peter are still moving during the explosion. Also omnidirectional explosion cannot be aim dodged there expanding in all directions you can't just move out of the way you have to move from the blast radius before it reaches you. And to be honest that doesn't invalidate the feat because the panel shows they were still within the danger zone as the explosives were going off.

Kageo's movement begins before the explosion, from the moment he releases his acidic blood until he appears moving, no longer in his initial position, several steps ahead of where he was. And Pedro could only move his arm to react in advance of one of the explosions, something Matthew notices because it's later revealed he had to do it deliberately. This last action is perhaps the closest thing to a supersonic feat.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

And that's considered Aim Dodging, and you said it yourself, it's not considered a speed feat.

Kageo's movement begins before the explosion, from the moment he releases his acidic blood until he appears moving, no longer in his initial position, several steps ahead of where he was. And Pedro could only move his arm to react in advance of one of the explosions, something Matthew notices because it's later revealed he had to do it deliberately. This last action is perhaps the closest thing to a supersonic feat.

That's not aim dodging and that's not how it works because actual aim dodging equates to avoiding the target directional attack and the entire situation becomes different cause there isn't a single aim line the attack is area based due to the explosions, the point in this is that explosion expands outward in all directions they aren't really similar to bullets.

There really isn't any evidence that Kageo movement began before the explosion it shows that he triggered Matthias explosion and as it went off he managed to escape in time and Kageo was still in the danger zone when that action has occurred. Peter had moved his arm to the advance is still a reaction because he recognized the explosion and moved before it fully expanded. That doesn't really downscale he still needed to move before the blast reached him. However I would agree that the last feat could be supersonic along with him outspeeding echolocation.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

This is combat speed. The characters’ travel speed and reaction speed must be below supersonic.

I still don’t understand how this is considered only combat speed and not reaction speed. Simon was fully able to react to and cut something moving at at least 600 m/s. (I just googled it, and the lowest speed water needs to cut steel is around 900 m/s, but let’s stick with 600 m/s for now.)

The guy using the water jet didn’t even acknowledge the fact that Simon was able to react to it and instead went on to say, “With your sword, you cannot cut water.” These guys were heavily underestimating the Disciples. James Minor’s daughter even said that Glory gave the Legends an A+ rank .(This proves that they aren't even apostle level and we all know what happened when they faced apostles individually). These guys were underestimating the apostle to the point of saying " they are apostles because we didn't exist yet" . The jet guy at that moment believed Simon to be below him so, it isn't inhumane for A to A+ killers in the verse to have a supersonic reaction or combat speed.

Even characters who are not at Apostle/Disciple level wouldn't acknowledge someone cutting an object moving at 600 m/s, so how can we place a speed cap of only 256 km/hr on the verse?

 

[Pyro9278]

That's not aim dodging and that's not how it works because actual aim dodging equates to avoiding the target directional attack and the entire situation becomes different cause there isn't a single aim line the attack is area based due to the explosions, the point in this is that explosion expands outward in all directions they aren't really similar to bullets.

There really isn't any evidence that Kageo movement began before the explosion it shows that he triggered Matthias explosion and as it went off he managed to escape in time and Kageo was still in the danger zone when that action has occurred. Peter had moved his arm to the advance is still a reaction because he recognized the explosion and moved before it fully expanded. That doesn't really downscale he still needed to move before the blast reached him. However I would agree that the last feat could be supersonic along with him outspeeding echolocation.

This has become repetitive, and you're even echoing my point, so I'll just comment one last time: They're moving before the action even happens, plain and simple. That falls under aim dodging.

Kageo has been moving for a long time, since we go from a panel where he throws his blood to seeing him flee from the explosion. It's obvious he was already moving. And even Pedro's feat is questionable because he could only have extended his arm before the detonation actually occurred, anticipating it.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

That's not aim dodging and that's not how it works because actual aim dodging equates to avoiding the target directional attack and the entire situation becomes different cause there isn't a single aim line the attack is area based due to the explosions, the point in this is that explosion expands outward in all directions they aren't really similar to bullets.

There really isn't any evidence that Kageo movement began before the explosion it shows that he triggered Matthias explosion and as it went off he managed to escape in time and Kageo was still in the danger zone when that action has occurred. Peter had moved his arm to the advance is still a reaction because he recognized the explosion and moved before it fully expanded. That doesn't really downscale he still needed to move before the blast reached him. However I would agree that the last feat could be supersonic along with him outspeeding echolocation.

What feat are you talking about? I still have no idea. It would be nice if you could tell me the chapter.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

This has become repetitive, and you're even echoing my point, so I'll just comment one last time: They're moving before the action even happens, plain and simple. That falls under aim dodging.

Kageo has been moving for a long time, since we go from a panel where he throws his blood to seeing him flee from the explosion. It's obvious he was already moving. And even Pedro's feat is questionable because he could only have extended his arm before the detonation actually occurred, anticipating it.

It kinda seems that you're stills misunderstanding my point here brother aim dodging applies to directional targeting not expanding blasts, explosion expands in all directions there's no line to avoid.

Starting to move early really isn't the same as leaving the danger zone before detonation multiple bombs still detonated and the blast spread across the space. And if they did escape the danger zone before detonation we would actually see a separation no proximity to the blast front dawg, so that isn't clear evidence that he left the room before detonation.

Dude if the motion wasn't fast enough relative to the blast front his arm is still getting caught saying he anticipated it doesn't remove the speed to complete the action before the blast reaches it and furthermore Peter already managed to dodge his dragon fly drones in the library.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

What feat are you talking about? I still have no idea. It would be nice if you could tell me the chapter.

Chapter 94 and Chapter 102

 

[BlackCat]

I haven’t read the thread yet, but…
I’ll be honest—aside from Thaddeus, no other character (at the moment) should have Reaction Speed above Subsonic. This is because the fastest character, Thaddeus, only has a speed of 256 km/h (71.11 m/s).
(Even though it’s not explicitly stated that this is the absolute fastest, since this is the current information given by the author, it’s better to rely on it for now.)

Continuing on, the reason other characters shouldn’t have Reaction Speed above Subsonic is that they are still getting blitzed by Thaddeus, who has a travel speed of 256 km/h (71.11 m/s) (even though they can easily dodge bullets). Therefore, I believe that, for now, we cannot upgrade other characters (besides Thaddeus) beyond Subsonic (71.11 m/s).

Yes, 256 km/h is his travel speed, but Thaddeus can also move faster than anyone can perceive (in other words, he can blitz). Therefore, if other characters cannot react to Thaddeus’s speed of 256 km/h, they should not have reaction speeds exceeding 256 km/h (even if they can dodge bullets).


As for the camera topic from the previous thread, I’ve already addressed it, so I don’t think we should bring it up again. (But regarding whether MHS calculations can be used for Reaction Speed—technically, yes. However, as I mentioned earlier, characters other than Thaddeus should not have Reaction Speed above Subsonic.)




And I think my answer, along with Pxnd_013’s, should already be sufficient.

Yes, but other characters such as Peter also cannot react to Thaddeus’s travel speed. Therefore, I believe their Reaction Speed should not exceed Subsonic (even though this contradicts the fact that they can easily dodge bullets).

I do support them having at least Supersonic speed (in terms of Reaction and Combat). But think about it—Thaddeus has a travel speed of 71.11 m/s, yet even Peter, who is one of the strongest and most experienced characters, still cannot react to it. So do you think other characters, including Peter, should have Reaction Speed exceeding 71.11 m/s?

If in later chapters it’s stated that 256 km/h is not his maximum speed, then other characters could have Supersonic Reaction Speed. However, for now, I think 256 km/h should be treated as his current maximum travel speed. Therefore, I will stick with my original conclusion.

This

I honestly don’t understand why this thread has dragged on to three pages. The author has already clearly stated Thaddeus’s speed, and I’ve already provided all my reasoning. At this point, the discussion should be concluded, and we should wait until new information is released.

I know everyone wants other characters in Killer Peter (aside from Thaddeus) to have Supersonic speed or higher—I do too. But since the author has explicitly stated that, at present, Thaddeus—the fastest character in the series—has a speed of only 256 km/h (71.11 m/s), and no one can react to that speed, that is precisely why other characters should not have Reaction Speed exceeding the Subsonic level.

 

[BlackCat]

Didn’t Peter block all of Thaddeus’s attacks despite the statement? Also, he said, ‘His agility is unlike anything I have faced before.’ Agility is different from travel speed.

If you read carefully and interpret it properly, you’ll realize that Peter wasn’t able to react or anticipate it at all.

 

[BlackCat]

I still don’t understand how this is considered only combat speed and not reaction speed. Simon was fully able to react to and cut something moving at at least 600 m/s. (I just googled it, and the lowest speed water needs to cut steel is around 900 m/s, but let’s stick with 600 m/s for now.)

The guy using the water jet didn’t even acknowledge the fact that Simon was able to react to it and instead went on to say, “With your sword, you cannot cut water.” These guys were heavily underestimating the Disciples. James Minor’s daughter even said that Glory gave the Legends an A+ rank .(This proves that they aren't even apostle level and we all know what happened when they faced apostles individually). These guys were underestimating the apostle to the point of saying " they are apostles because we didn't exist yet" . The jet guy at that moment believed Simon to be below him so, it isn't inhumane for A to A+ killers in the verse to have a supersonic reaction or combat speed.

Even characters who are not at Apostle/Disciple level wouldn't acknowledge someone cutting an object moving at 600 m/s, so how can we place a speed cap of only 256 km/hr on the verse?

No one sets the rules except the author, and of course, I admit that the context provided by the author strongly contradicts the characters’ actions. That’s exactly why this thread keeps going without stopping.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

If you read carefully and interpret it properly, you’ll realize that Peter wasn’t able to react or anticipate it at all.

I honestly don’t understand why this thread has dragged on to three pages. The author has already clearly stated Thaddeus’s speed, and I’ve already provided all my reasoning. At this point, the discussion should be concluded, and we should wait until new information is released.

I know everyone wants other characters in Killer Peter (aside from Thaddeus) to have Supersonic speed or higher—I do too. But since the author has explicitly stated that, at present, Thaddeus—the fastest character in the series—has a speed of only 256 km/h (71.11 m/s), and no one can react to that speed, that is precisely why other characters should not have Reaction Speed exceeding the Subsonic level.

I honestly don’t understand why this thread has dragged on to three pages. The author has already clearly stated Thaddeus’s speed, and I’ve already provided all my reasoning. At this point, the discussion should be concluded, and we should wait until new information is released.

I know everyone wants other characters in Killer Peter (aside from Thaddeus) to have Supersonic speed or higher—I do too. But since the author has explicitly stated that, at present, Thaddeus—the fastest character in the series—has a speed of only 256 km/h (71.11 m/s), and no one can react to that speed, that is precisely why other characters should not have Reaction Speed exceeding the Subsonic level.

Well the unit was never exposed nor confirmed yet that's why the feat was in questioned I didn't really mean for it go this far I just find the verse to be that low of subsonic and wanted to question some of the off guard panels that was presented that led to the downgrade to begin with. But yes we could wait for further information and just the conversation here for now.

 

[BlackCat]

Well the unit was never exposed nor confirmed yet that's why the feat was in questioned I didn't really mean for it go this far I just find the verse to be that low of subsonic and wanted to question some of the off guard panels that was presented that led to the downgrade to begin with. But yes we could wait for further information and just the conversation here for now.

Yes, the author only stated “256 km,” but in earlier scenes—when showing Skadi’s speed—the author consistently used km/h. That’s why it should be interpreted as 256 km/h.

Additionally, based on Viott’s explanation, even though characters in Killer Peter can dodge bullets quite easily, there are still situations where bullets pose a problem for them. Therefore, I believe there is no way it could be 256 km/s.

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

Yes, the author only stated “256 km,” but in earlier scenes—when showing Skadi’s speed—the author consistently used km/h. That’s why it should be interpreted as 256 km/h.

Additionally, based on Viott’s explanation, even though characters in Killer Peter can dodge bullets quite easily, there are still situations where bullets pose a problem for them. Therefore, I believe there is no way it could be 256 km/s.

Very well

 

[Viott]

Peter wasn't at a multi layered disadvantage he managed to accurately hit every bullet with those nuts,

As I said, this isn't reaction speed. This is attack speed.

but then again right after Dorothy was literally creating new ways to lead Peter to a disadvantage, secondly again there's a big difference between estimating a area and having precise Peter is probing the environment to force a reaction.

I already explained this.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

That's not combat speed it's reaction speed he's responding in real time before the bullet reaches him.

This isn't reaction speed. At first, I thought this was combat speed. But after thinking again, this is actually attack speed. Because he threw many nuts. In that sense, it's attack speed.

Buddy I'm talking about chapter 76 as well not just 112

Why are you talking about chapter 76? I'm talking about chapter 112.

Dude you're not even listening

You don't understand what I mean.

the point being made here is that bullet interactions in this context doesn't justify a dongrade to subsonic, characters are reacting under proper conditions and Hits only occur due to prediction

Most of them are aim dodging. There's no evidence that he started moving after the gun was fired.

and informational denial not speed.

Nonsense. This is a speed. He tried to dodge the bullet, but even though the distance was long, he couldn’t easily escape it. That’s why he got injured.

Again difference between inferring a general area and having preice firing solution

I already explained this.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

because Peter throwing objects doesn't indicate

This is attack speed.

or show the exact knowledge of her timing of shots

This is aim dodging.

and firing angle.

I already explained this.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured

Buddy I'm arguing that the scene doesn't prove he slower than a bullet, he's literally moving in response to them.

The fact that Peter couldn't fully dodge the bullet even though the distance was long means he is slower than the bullet. The bullet traveled a greater distance, while Peter could have avoided it by covering a shorter distance. Yet, despite that, he got injured.

Dude you're still confusing the two because he doesn't know her exact firing angle nor does he know the exact moment she pulls the trigger

The angle he fired at doesn't matter. Because that doesn't increase the distance or the bullet's speed. The timing of when he pulled the trigger also doesn't matter. You need to understand that what you're saying is irrelevant. Peter started moving to dodge the bullet but couldn't fully escape. He got injured. It's that simple.

That's only true of you know exactly where the shot is coming from and Peter doesn't have the exact timing.

I already explained this.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

Also more time but worse information + pre placed shots. Dorothy isn't aiming where Peter is she's literally aiming at where he's going to be and predicting every movement according to Peter she's reacting inside the trap.

Prove that she devised such a plan.

I'm not assuming I literally said the scene doesn't prove he slower than a bullet, he's literally moving in response to them, and while being under disadvantage he doesn't have any options.

It has nothing to do with a disadvantage. Because we can all see that he’s trying to dodge the bullet. But he couldn’t fully dodge it, because he got injured while trying to escape.

I also want to mention another piece of evidence.

Peter knows he can’t dodge a shotgun at close range, so instead he turned off the lights and escaped. Also, there was enough space for him to get away.

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[Pxnd_013]

I do not know why this is still being debated when Thaddeus's travel speed in the latest chapter was explicitly stated to be 256 km/h, or 71.11 m/s, and that was his new technique used against Skadi. Therefore, this new technique should be faster than his normal travel speed in the Kowloon Arc, where Peter stated that he could not react to Thaddeus's travel speed ( 1 & 2 ). From that, we can infer that Peter's reaction speed is below 71.11 m/s, which would cap the attack speed or combat speed of most characters in the verse, aside from Thaddeus, at 71.11 m/s. If you are familiar with the Dandadan Verse, you should recognize that this is essentially the same case

 

[Viott]

I still don’t understand how this is considered only combat speed and not reaction speed. Simon was fully able to react to and cut something moving at at least 600 m/s. (I just googled it, and the lowest speed water needs to cut steel is around 900 m/s, but let’s stick with 600 m/s for now.)

The guy using the water jet didn’t even acknowledge the fact that Simon was able to react to it and instead went on to say, “With your sword, you cannot cut water.” These guys were heavily underestimating the Disciples. James Minor’s daughter even said that Glory gave the Legends an A+ rank .(This proves that they aren't even apostle level and we all know what happened when they faced apostles individually). These guys were underestimating the apostle to the point of saying " they are apostles because we didn't exist yet" . The jet guy at that moment believed Simon to be below him so, it isn't inhumane for A to A+ killers in the verse to have a supersonic reaction or combat speed.

Even characters who are not at Apostle/Disciple level wouldn't acknowledge someone cutting an object moving at 600 m/s, so how can we place a speed cap of only 256 km/hr on the verse?

Chapter?

 

[Pxnd_013]

Well the unit was never exposed nor confirmed yet that's why the feat was in questioned I didn't really mean for it go this far I just find the verse to be that low of subsonic and wanted to question some of the off guard panels that was presented that led to the downgrade to begin with. But yes we could wait for further information and just the conversation here for now.

Skadi's speed was explicitly stated in km/h. Her speed of 132 km/h was enough for Judas to compare it to the speed of the previous version of Thaddeus, who, if I remember correctly, was at least the second fastest character in the series. And if you compare the speed chart of the previous Thaddeus with the current Thaddeus, you can see that the gap between their speed graphs is not very large. If you think the current Thaddeus actually moves at 265 km/s, that would mean the current Thaddeus is nearly 7000 times faster than his previous version. Do you really think that is reasonable?

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

As I said, this isn't reaction speed. This is attack speed.

That's not attack speed Peter is seeing the attack him throwing objects doesn't make it attack speed

I already explained this.

Yeah in the wrong terms

This isn't reaction speed. At first, I thought this was combat speed. But after thinking again, this is actually attack speed. Because he threw many nuts. In that sense, it's attack speed.

Throwing objects doesn't make it attack speed the action is triggered by an incoming attack not initiated independently

Why are you talking about chapter 76? I'm talking about chapter 112.

I'm talking about both since they represent off guard panels

You don't understand what I mean.

You don't understand what I mean they can dodge under proper conditions not a disadvantages

Most of them are aim dodging. There's no evidence that he started moving after the gun was fired.

They never aim dodging what chapter are you referring to?

Nonsense. This is a speed. He tried to dodge the bullet, but even though the distance was long, he couldn’t easily escape it. That’s why he got injured.

Not true he was reacting to incomplete information that wasn't a speed issue prediction beating movement options.

I already explained this.

No you didn't, not correctly

This is attack speed.

Not attack speed

This is aim dodging.

This part of my argument is literally a disadvantage feat it has nothing to do with aim dodging

I already explained this.

You didn't

The fact that Peter couldn't fully dodge the bullet even though the distance was long means he is slower than the bullet. The bullet traveled a greater distance, while Peter could have avoided it by covering a shorter distance. Yet, despite that, he got injured.

That doesn't change the fact it was less visual clarity and greater control of your movement path which Dorothy uses and that' still a less usable information and pre laced shots that's not an easy dodge situation

The angle he fired at doesn't matter. Because that doesn't increase the distance or the bullet's speed. The timing of when he pulled the trigger also doesn't matter. You need to understand that what you're saying is irrelevant. Peter started moving to dodge the bullet but couldn't fully escape. He got injured. It's that simple.

You're not adding up to what I'm saying because getting hot doesn't mean he's slow he avoided the center of the attack, but still couldn't fully escape the pre aimed trajectory which is literally consistent with prediction beating movement options not speed inferiority.

I already explained this.

Yeah the incorrect way

Prove that she devised such a plan.

sure

It has nothing to do with a disadvantage. Because we can all see that he’s trying to dodge the bullet. But he couldn’t fully dodge it, because he got injured while trying to escape.

I also want to mention another piece of evidence.

Peter knows he can’t dodge a shotgun at close range, so instead he turned off the lights and escaped. Also, there was enough space for him to get away.

I already addressed this in my thread I'll send it again including the Dorothy vs Alipede fight because you missed some parts.

" So people consider Killer Peter to be inconsistent simply because they don't always dodge bullets, now in my eyes it completely ignores the environmental constraints fundamentally affect combat becuse the speed in the series is not defined by whether a character can always evade gunfire in every scenario, but whether they can adapt to and overcome layered threats, which Peter already repeatedly demonstrates. In confined environments such as narrow hallways or enclosed rooms the movement options does bcome restricted by walls, angles, and limited space, which in conclusion under these conditions even highly fast characters cannot freely maneuver in other words dodging is no longer the optimal or even a solution, yet others are treating it as a speed downgrade which I quite don't literally understand it's highly common you can't dodge in a situation where escape options are limited and Peter himself explains that as a distance increases, the spread and coverage of a gunfire widen, effectively reducing escape paths, which turns the situation into zero control problem, not a reaction speed contest as other people may view it as a speed failure .

Instead of rely on raw speed Peter clearly took a smarter approach to take his opponent. For example, when he was facing the gunfire in a confined space, he moved towards the light switch to shut down his opponents vision and literally took him out using an improvised tool like measuring tape. Now this really doesn't demonstrate a limtation of speed it literally demonstrates his level of battle iq, where he recognizes that dodging in a disadvantaged position is inferior to dismantling the conditions that makes the attack dangerous, so people who just argue that peter should dodge the bullet because he's proven to dodge something a hundred times faster than a gun literally fails to understand that speed doesn't override spatial limitations, the velocity isn't the problem in this situations he was in, it was spatial limitations."

"However Dorothy had specialized and managed to countering in advance using her night scope to bypass the situation that she was in against Alipede and as other people may view it as a lack of speed which it really isn't since he's already been able to deflect her bullets twice, Alipede was caught of guard through misinterpretation of Dorothy action questioning why Dorothy moved in a specific direction of the cliff, not realizing that her movement was part of her plan to gain access with her night scope, so Alipede didn't get shot because of the fact he's slow as other people may view it as he actually got shot because of the fact he misread the situation and underestimated her strategy."

"Dorothy had deliberately hugged Alipede (should've been me ngl ) to transfer her blood onto his camouflage suit allowing her to tag him again which again really isn't speed based exchange in that current situation it was a tactical deception. Alipede even questioned her actions again wondering if she given up or was it completely pointless, which directly proves that he misread her intent. He even admitted that he let his guard down due to another misinterpretation which literally establishes that the hit that follows is not the result of Dorothy being faster, but in the results of Alipede being caught of guard again after misreading Dorothy once more. In Killer Peter Top-tier fighters can be hit when their expectations are manipulated or when they momentarily lose control of the situation, and in this case, Dorothy managed to win that exchange not through superior sped, but through her layered strategy. Countering Alipede's darkness advantage and adopting when that advantage is restored, but meanwhile Alipede clearly demonstrates that when he is not being misled or placed at a tactical disadvantage he's fully capable of controlling the fight. And throughout the entire fight it's clearly presented that Alipede was not outpaced he was outmaneuvered in specific moments due to the fact of him misreading his target, and where again questioning Dorthy’s actions and admitting lowering his guard which makes it clear that these are off guard situations."

Btw I didn't mean to come at you raw dawg I'll admit I was being a little over board saying so my bad

 

[RetroBtw773yam]

I do not know why this is still being debated when Thaddeus's travel speed in the latest chapter was explicitly stated to be 256 km/h, or 71.11 m/s, and that was his new technique used against Skadi. Therefore, this new technique should be faster than his normal travel speed in the Kowloon Arc, where Peter stated that he could not react to Thaddeus's travel speed ( 1 & 2 ). From that, we can infer that Peter's reaction speed is below 71.11 m/s, which would cap the attack speed or combat speed of most characters in the verse, aside from Thaddeus, at 71.11 m/s. If you are familiar with the Dandadan Verse, you should recognize that this is essentially the same case

I do not know why this is still being debated when Thaddeus's travel speed in the latest chapter was explicitly stated to be 256 km/h, or 71.11 m/s, and that was his new technique used against Skadi. Therefore, this new technique should be faster than his normal travel speed in the Kowloon Arc, where Peter stated that he could not react to Thaddeus's travel speed ( 1 & 2 ). From that, we can infer that Peter's reaction speed is below 71.11 m/s, which would cap the attack speed or combat speed of most characters in the verse, aside from Thaddeus, at 71.11 m/s. If you are familiar with the Dandadan Verse, you should recognize that this is essentially the same case

I don't watch Dandadan and I wasn't arguing the feat could be 256 km/s I only said we didn't know the unit, but others consider to be hours due to Skadi statement which is reasonable, so just for now I'm keeping it at that

 

[Pxnd_013]

I don't watch Dandadan and I wasn't arguing the feat could be 256 km/s I only said we didn't know the unit, but others consider to be hours due to Skadi statement which is reasonable, so just for now I'm keeping it at that

I was only giving you an example to show that there is no way it could be km/s, and that km/h makes far more sense

 

[SacredDao]

Am I missing something or what? Isn't the feat 250km/hr happened at ice Field with almost no friction? Why would that be the limit?


Btw where do y'all read the latest chapter?, I only got bits and pieces of ch 127.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Am I missing something or what? Isn't the feat 250km/hr happened at ice Field with almost no friction? Why would that be the limit?


Btw where do y'all read the latest chapter?, I only got bits and pieces of ch 127.

you can read it at cosmictoon but it is in Indonesian.

 

[SacredDao]

you can read it at cosmictoon but it is in Indonesian.

Thank you. I will read it somehow. (All Hail Artificial Intelligence lol)

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Thank you. I will read it somehow. (All Hail Artificial Intelligence lol)

There is this app called " tap to translate" which can translate an entire panel for you in any language.

 

[Viott]

That's not attack speed Peter is seeing the attack him throwing objects doesn't make it attack speed

"The speed at which an attack moves. For example, X character is hypersonic, but he can do an attack that is a natural beam of light, the speed for the attack is different from the speed of the user, hence the attack would be lightspeed even if its user isn't."

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Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...

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As you can see, throwing an object is attack speed. If you don’t agree with this, go ask the staff.

Yeah in the wrong terms

This is not an argument and does not refute what I said.

Throwing objects doesn't make it attack speed the action is triggered by an incoming attack not initiated independently

"The speed at which an attack moves. For example, X character is hypersonic, but he can do an attack that is a natural beam of light, the speed for the attack is different from the speed of the user, hence the attack would be lightspeed even if its user isn't."

Speed

Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...

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I'm talking about both since they represent off guard panels

Many of my arguments are from Chapter 112. The fact that the girl is kilometers away in Chapter 76 doesn't matter.

You don't understand what I mean they can dodge under proper conditions not a disadvantages

You are repeating your arguments; I already explained this.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

The fact that Peter couldn't fully dodge the bullet even though the distance was long means he is slower than the bullet. The bullet traveled a greater distance, while Peter could have avoided it by covering a shorter distance. Yet, despite that, he got injured.

The angle he fired at doesn't matter. Because that doesn't increase the distance or the bullet's speed. The timing of when he pulled the trigger also doesn't matter. You need to understand that what you're saying is irrelevant. Peter started moving to dodge the bullet but couldn't fully escape. He got injured. It's that simple.

It has nothing to do with a disadvantage. Because we can all see that he’s trying to dodge the bullet. But he couldn’t fully dodge it, because he got injured while trying to escape.

They never aim dodging what chapter are you referring to?

This happens in most chapters. In most cases, there is no evidence that they start moving after the gun is fired. For example, Peter or Alipede dodging bullets in the forest.

Not true he was reacting to incomplete information that wasn't a speed issue prediction beating movement options.

I already explained this.

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

You are repeating your arguments.

No you didn't, not correctly

This is not an argument and does not refute my arguments.

Not attack speed

I don't want to keep sending this to you.

"The speed at which an attack moves. For example, X character is hypersonic, but he can do an attack that is a natural beam of light, the speed for the attack is different from the speed of the user, hence the attack would be lightspeed even if its user isn't."

Speed

Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...

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As you can see, throwing an object is attack speed. If you don’t agree with this, go ask the staff.

You didn't

Here is the proof:

That doesn't change the fact that Peter started to move. If he hadn't noticed the bullet, there would be no reason for him to move. He moved to dodge the bullet, but even so, he couldn't fully escape it. He got injured.

That doesn't change the fact it was less visual clarity and greater control of your movement path which Dorothy uses and that' still a less usable information and pre laced shots that's not an easy dodge situation

I explained this in my subcomment.

The fact that this girl doesn't aim at where Peter is doesn't prove that she is aiming at where he is going. Because Peter only says that he shot at her while he himself was moving. 'EVEN WITH HER VISION IMPAIRED, SHE STILL ATTEMPTED SHOOTING AT ME, A MOVING TARGET. AND SHE HIT ME...

As I said, this doesn't prove anything.

There is no evidence that Dorothy aimed at where Peter was going, rather than at him while he was stationary.

You're not adding up to what I'm saying because getting hot doesn't mean he's slow he avoided the center of the attack, but still couldn't fully escape the pre aimed trajectory which is literally consistent with prediction beating movement options not speed inferiority.

I explained this in my subcomment.

The fact that this girl doesn't aim at where Peter is doesn't prove that she is aiming at where he is going. Because Peter only says that he shot at her while he himself was moving. 'EVEN WITH HER VISION IMPAIRED, SHE STILL ATTEMPTED SHOOTING AT ME, A MOVING TARGET. AND SHE HIT ME...


As I said, this doesn't prove anything.


There is no evidence that Dorothy aimed at where Peter was going, rather than at him while he was stationary.

Yeah the incorrect way

This is not an argument and does not refute my arguments.

sure

The fact that this girl doesn't aim at where Peter is doesn't prove that she is aiming at where he is going. Because Peter only says that he shot at her while he himself was moving. 'EVEN WITH HER VISION IMPAIRED, SHE STILL ATTEMPTED SHOOTING AT ME, A MOVING TARGET. AND SHE HIT ME...

As I said, this doesn't prove anything.

There is no evidence that Dorothy aimed at where Peter was going, rather than at him while he was stationary.

I already addressed this in my thread I'll send it again including the Dorothy vs Alipede fight because you missed some parts.

" So people consider Killer Peter to be inconsistent simply because they don't always dodge bullets, now in my eyes it completely ignores the environmental constraints fundamentally affect combat becuse the speed in the series is not defined by whether a character can always evade gunfire in every scenario, but whether they can adapt to and overcome layered threats, which Peter already repeatedly demonstrates. In confined environments such as narrow hallways or enclosed rooms the movement options does bcome restricted by walls, angles, and limited space, which in conclusion under these conditions even highly fast characters cannot freely maneuver in other words dodging is no longer the optimal or even a solution, yet others are treating it as a speed downgrade which I quite don't literally understand it's highly common you can't dodge in a situation where escape options are limited and Peter himself explains that as a distance increases, the spread and coverage of a gunfire widen, effectively reducing escape paths, which turns the situation into zero control problem, not a reaction speed contest as other people may view it as a speed failure .

Even when the area was wide, Peter and Alipede were hiding behind trees to avoid being hit by bullets. Therefore, this doesn't only mean they cannot dodge bullets in a narrow space.

Instead of rely on raw speed Peter clearly took a smarter approach to take his opponent. For example, when he was facing the gunfire in a confined space, he moved towards the light switch to shut down his opponents vision and literally took him out using an improvised tool like measuring tape.

Congratulations. You've proven that this character is slower than a bullet. Because you stated that the character doesn't trust their own speed and uses tactics to dodge the bullet.

This means the character is slower than a bullet.

Now this really doesn't demonstrate a limtation of speed it literally demonstrates his level of battle iq, where he recognizes that dodging in a disadvantaged position is inferior to dismantling the conditions that makes the attack dangerous, so people who just argue that peter should dodge the bullet because he's proven to dodge something a hundred times faster than a gun literally fails to understand that speed doesn't override spatial limitations, the velocity isn't the problem in this situations he was in, it was spatial limitations."

Even if the space is small, there is enough space to dodge the bullet.

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Also, it was clearly stated that he cannot dodge the bullet.

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"However Dorothy had specialized and managed to countering in advance using her night scope to bypass the situation that she was in against Alipede and as other people may view it as a lack of speed which it really isn't since he's already been able to deflect her bullets twice,

Alipede said that he cannot read Dorothy's movements.

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This also means that he blocks the bullets by reading Dorothy's movements. And that is aim dodging. Because by reading Dorothy's movements, he moves before Dorothy fires, and then blocks the bullets. If he started moving after Dorothy had already fired, reading her movements would be meaningless.

Alipede was caught of guard through misinterpretation of Dorothy action questioning why Dorothy moved in a specific direction of the cliff, not realizing that her movement was part of her plan to gain access with her night scope, so Alipede didn't get shot because of the fact he's slow as other people may view it as he actually got shot because of the fact he misread the situation and underestimated her strategy.

I already explained this in my comment above. I'm not going to repeat the same thing.

Alipede said that he cannot read Dorothy's movements.

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This also means that he blocks the bullets by reading Dorothy's movements. And that is aim dodging. Because by reading Dorothy's movements, he moves before Dorothy fires, and then blocks the bullets. If he started moving after Dorothy had already fired, reading her movements would be meaningless.

"Dorothy had deliberately hugged Alipede (should've been me ngl ) to transfer her blood onto his camouflage suit allowing her to tag him again which again really isn't speed based exchange in that current situation it was a tactical deception.

What? This is exactly about speed. Alipede getting hit means he cannot dodge the bullet. Therefore, he is slower than the bullet. Also, in order to dodge the bullet, it is enough for him to be slightly slower than the bullet. Because the distance is great enough that the bullet travels a longer distance, so Alipede can get away by covering a shorter distance. But as I said, he failed.

Alipede even questioned her actions again wondering if she given up or was it completely pointless, which directly proves that he misread her intent. He even admitted that he let his guard down due to another misinterpretation which literally establishes that the hit that follows is not the result of Dorothy being faster, but in the results of Alipede being caught of guard again after misreading Dorothy once more.

I already explained this.

Alipede said that he cannot read Dorothy's movements.

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This also means that he blocks the bullets by reading Dorothy's movements. And that is aim dodging. Because by reading Dorothy's movements, he moves before Dorothy fires, and then blocks the bullets. If he started moving after Dorothy had already fired, reading her movements would be meaningless.

In Killer Peter Top-tier fighters can be hit when their expectations are manipulated or when they momentarily lose control of the situation, and in this case, Dorothy managed to win that exchange not through superior sped, but through her layered strategy. Countering Alipede's darkness advantage and adopting when that advantage is restored, but meanwhile Alipede clearly demonstrates that when he is not being misled or placed at a tactical disadvantage he's fully capable of controlling the fight. And throughout the entire fight it's clearly presented that Alipede was not outpaced he was outmaneuvered in specific moments due to the fact of him misreading his target, and where again questioning Dorthy’s actions and admitting lowering his guard which makes it clear that these are off guard situations."

I already explained this in my comment above. I'm not going to repeat the same thing.

Alipede said that he cannot read Dorothy's movements.

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This also means that he blocks the bullets by reading Dorothy's movements. And that is aim dodging. Because by reading Dorothy's movements, he moves before Dorothy fires, and then blocks the bullets. If he started moving after Dorothy had already fired, reading her movements would be meaningless.

Btw I didn't mean to come at you raw dawg I'll admit I was being a little over board saying so my bad

No problem.

 

[Pxnd_013]

Am I missing something or what? Isn't the feat 250km/hr happened at ice Field with almost no friction? Why would that be the limit?


Btw where do y'all read the latest chapter?, I only got bits and pieces of ch 127.

No, Thaddeus was moving by kicking off the walls back and forth, so his speed was not reduced by the icy surface

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

Chapter?

It is Chapter 127. Sorry for the late reply; I didn’t notice it earlier.

 

[Viott]

It is Chapter 127. Sorry for the late reply; I didn’t notice it earlier.

There is no evidence that Simon started moving after the water jet began to move. Therefore, this is aim dodging.

As for the water jet's cutting feat, since the distance is too great, the distance traveled by the water jet is much greater than the distance traveled by Simon. Therefore, this is at most subsonic.

 

[FragrantJaguar150]

There is no evidence that Simon started moving after the water jet began to move. Therefore, this is aim dodging.

As for the water jet's cutting feat, since the distance is too great, the distance traveled by the water jet is much greater than the distance traveled by Simon. Therefore, this is at most subsonic.

Not going to say anything about the feat being subsonic but this is not aim dodging.

But Simon gets alerted after the guy with jet starts speaking. This means Simon didn't know the position of the jet guy.
Before hand and according to What aim dodging means from here. This is clearly NOT aim dodging .

 

[Viott]

Not going to say anything about the feat being subsonic but this is not aim dodging.

But Simon gets alerted after the guy with jet starts speaking. This means Simon didn't know the position of the jet guy.
Before hand and according to What aim dodging means from here. This is clearly NOT aim dodging .

I'm talking about dodging the water jet.

As I said, the feat of cutting the water jet is at most subsonic.