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Killer Peter Rebuttal Discussion

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Understandable, but I still think characters besides Thaddeus should still be considered Supersonic, Subsonic is way to low and throughout the series I don't see any of the characters to be subsonic tbh
I believe that a large part of the cast can reach supersonic, or even hypersonic, speeds; this isn't exclusive to Thadeus.

I believe that the quote, despite being inconsistent with the facades, only refers to his movement speed, so this shouldn't be a limitation for speed of occurrence and combat.
 
It's possible, but I would consider supersonic to be the safest spot for the series besides Thaddeus and the quote is mainly addressing to his travel speed/movement speed and some remain the feat as an outline for since their isn't another MHS calculation besides the sleight of hand.

And btw are planning on calculating the recent speed feat Thaddeus did on ice?
 
I believe that a large part of the cast can reach supersonic, or even hypersonic, speeds; this isn't exclusive to Thadeus.

I believe that the quote, despite being inconsistent with the facades, only refers to his movement speed, so this shouldn't be a limitation for speed of occurrence and combat.
I do support them having at least Supersonic speed (in terms of Reaction and Combat). But think about it—Thaddeus has a travel speed of 71.11 m/s, yet even Peter, who is one of the strongest and most experienced characters, still cannot react to it. So do you think other characters, including Peter, should have Reaction Speed exceeding 71.11 m/s?
 
I do support them having at least Supersonic speed (in terms of Reaction and Combat). But think about it—Thaddeus has a travel speed of 71.11 m/s, yet even Peter, who is one of the strongest and most experienced characters, still cannot react to it. So do you think other characters, including Peter, should have Reaction Speed exceeding 71.11 m/s?
This is literally an isolated moment; even Yuika was able to "overcome" Peter's reaction, and even then she was overcome during the fight, and the same thing happens against Thadeus. So yes, Peter and his equals surpass that mark.
 
This is literally an isolated moment; even Yuika was able to "overcome" Peter's reaction, and even then she was overcome during the fight, and the same thing happens against Thadeus. So yes, Peter and his equals surpass that mark.
If in later chapters it’s stated that 256 km/h is not his maximum speed, then other characters could have Supersonic Reaction Speed. However, for now, I think 256 km/h should be treated as his current maximum travel speed. Therefore, I will stick with my original conclusion.
 
Nah the translation only said 256 km
Even if it’s just written as “km,” it still makes more sense to interpret it as km/h. Because the characters repeatedly perceive bullets as threats and take cover.


There is no reason to interpret it as km/s.
 
Nah the translation only said 256 km
Are you aware of what 256 km/s is in terms of moving speed? That's MHS for people who can't even avoid point-blank explosions. At that speed, the people around them should be practically frozen or at least in slow motion while running.
 
Are you aware of what 256 km/s is in terms of moving speed? That's MHS for people who can't even avoid point-blank explosions. At that speed, the people around them should be practically frozen or at least in slow motion while running.
Dawg saying it would look frozen is literally a visual expectation it's not really a scaling argument and the series already presents that characters exceeding perception without freezing the scene. You can just dismiss the speed just because it isn't literal time stop. And tbh characters like Peter and Kageo have already successfully been able to dodge explosions especially from characters like Matthias and they aren't just single speed.
 
Even if it’s just written as “km,” it still makes more sense to interpret it as km/h. Because the characters repeatedly perceive bullets as threats and take cover.


There is no reason to interpret it as km/s.
That doesn't follow in the series at all because bullets mainly treated as positional threats not pure speed, the only time they can't dodge bullets is when their escape options are restricted that just go against on how the story breaks it down. You can't dodge something if all your escape options are restricted there's a big difference
 
That doesn't follow in the series at all because bullets mainly treated as positional threats not pure speed, the only time they can't dodge bullets is when their escape options are restricted that just go against on how the story breaks it down. You can't dodge something if all your escape options are restricted there's a big difference
No. Even when Peter had plenty of space to escape, he was still taking cover from the sniper. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, there would be no need for him to see it as a threat and take cover.

Also, if he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a gun.
 
Dawg saying it would look frozen is literally a visual expectation it's not really a scaling argument and the series already presents that characters exceeding perception without freezing the scene. You can just dismiss the speed just because it isn't literal time stop. And tbh characters like Peter and Kageo have already successfully been able to dodge explosions especially from characters like Matthias and they aren't just single speed.
It's not exactly a disastrous feat, but it's inconsistent for a character to have MHS reactions and be blitzing the other person, since the gap between Subsonic (and even Supersonic) is so high that it's undeniably a speedblitz. Furthermore, Pedro and Kageo didn't react to the explosions; they only anticipated them.
 
No. Even when Peter had plenty of space to escape, he was still taking cover from the sniper. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, there would be no need for him to see it as a threat and take cover.

Also, if he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a gun.
Dude this is exactly what I was talking about in my argument and people really need to stop treating as a limit of speed situations because he never took cover because he wasn't fast enough he didn't know where the shot was coming from the shooter was literally invisible aka Dorothy meaning he had no clue where the bullet may end up next in other words the bullet's path isn't visually traceable from the start I literally already said this in my argument. This isn't a speed situation it becomes a prediction+tactical control situation or prediction and positioning problem and what you're saying literally misunderstands how the threats work because something doesn't need to be faster than you to be dangerous.

How does him carrying a gun make it more less carrying guns has nothing to do with your speed and Peter is literally said to master every weapons while training at the orphanage.
 
It's not exactly a disastrous feat, but it's inconsistent for a character to have MHS reactions and be blitzing the other person, since the gap between Subsonic (and even Supersonic) is so high that it's undeniably a speedblitz. Furthermore, Pedro and Kageo didn't react to the explosions; they only anticipated them.
Anticipation doesn't remove the need to move in time it enables, they still had enough time to reposition before the blast reached them, which is a successful reaction and tbh explosions aren't linear speeds checks you can't really use that to cap the verse they expan over space.
 
Its clear 256 km per HOUR thing, with just logic and common sense.
Looked up the translation on my language and saw 256 km/h.
So yeah, subsonic verse as it meant to be.
 
Its clear 256 km per HOUR thing, with just logic and common sense.
Looked up the translation on my language and saw 256 km/h.
So yeah, subsonic verse as it meant to be.
The unit was literally never said it only mentioned 256 Km and the verse in my eyes already surpassed the tier
 
Dude this is exactly what I was talking about in my argument and people really need to stop treating as a limit of speed situations because he never took cover because he wasn't fast enough he didn't know where the shot was coming from the shooter was literally invisible aka Dorothy meaning he had no clue where the bullet may end up next in other words the bullet's path isn't visually traceable from the start I literally already said this in my argument. This isn't a speed situation it becomes a prediction+tactical control situation or prediction and positioning problem and what you're saying literally misunderstands how the threats work because something doesn't need to be faster than you to be dangerous.

How does him carrying a gun make it more less carrying guns has nothing to do with your speed and Peter is literally said to master every weapons while training at the orphanage.
If he’s faster than a bullet, he doesn’t need to use tactics to avoid it. he could easily evade it with his speed alone.


Also, that’s not correct. In Chapter 112, he knew the sniper’s location. Despite that, he was still taking cover. And while escaping from the bullet, his arm was injured. That means he couldn’t fully avoid it.


That’s not how it works. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a gun. He could reach wherever he wants by moving hundreds of times faster than a bullet. In that case, using a gun would be unnecessary.
 
No. Even when Peter had plenty of space to escape, he was still taking cover from the sniper. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, there would be no need for him to see it as a threat and take cover.

Also, if he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a gun.
Because he was in dark/night duh. He can't know if there's a multiple sniper or single. He wouldn't even know their position or where the bullet would be coming from in night.

Maybe for convenience? Idk depends on the context.
 
If he’s faster than a bullet, he doesn’t need to use tactics to avoid it. he could easily evade it with his speed alone.


Also, that’s not correct. In Chapter 112, he knew the sniper’s location. Despite that, he was still taking cover. And while escaping from the bullet, his arm was injured. That means he couldn’t fully avoid it.


That’s not how it works. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a gun. He could reach wherever he wants by moving hundreds of times faster than a bullet. In that case, using a gun would be unnecessary.
Dawg you're still focusing on speed alone which literally is ignoring on what I'm saying and whats actually being presented. Secondly what you said what's correct because in chapter 112 Dorothy was hidden and predicting his movements, she's effectively invisible and her entire style is built around concealment and prediction, so even Peter has a rough idea of where she is, he still lacks the actionable information needed to rely on dodging, which is exactly why Peter getting grazed not because he can't move fast enough, it's that he's operating under targeted pressure with limited options.

I really don't get what you mean dude because speed doesn't replace the tools and using a gun is about effciency and safety not the lack of the speed, so I don't really understand where you're coming from here brother.

And again using Dorothy is literally a bad way to go against their speed cause she isn't a straight linear shooter she uses different types of tactics to hide her bullets.
 
Anticipation doesn't remove the need to move in time it enables, they still had enough time to reposition before the blast reached them, which is a successful reaction and tbh explosions aren't linear speeds checks you can't really use that to cap the verse they expan over space.
That's aim dodging, and therefore it's NOT reacting to the explosion in real time. The speed of explosions is something that can be calculated, and the wiki has calculations that deal with characters avoiding explosions. The fact that it's omnidirectional doesn't change anything.
 
That's aim dodging, and therefore it's NOT reacting to the explosion in real time. The speed of explosions is something that can be calculated, and the wiki has calculations that deal with characters avoiding explosions. The fact that it's omnidirectional doesn't change anything.
Calling it aim dodging doesn't remove the need to move before the explosion reaches them and they still had to escape an expanding blast radius which requires actual speed not just prediction. Also aim dodging still requires for the character to complete the movement before the danger reaches them which is still a reaction sequence.

And where do you see them aim dodging?
 
Dawg you're still focusing on speed alone which literally is ignoring on what I'm saying and whats actually being presented. Secondly what you said what's correct because in chapter 112 Dorothy was hidden and predicting his movements, she's effectively invisible and her entire style is built around concealment and prediction, so even Peter has a rough idea of where she is, he still lacks the actionable information needed to rely on dodging, which is exactly why Peter getting grazed not because he can't move fast enough, it's that he's operating under targeted pressure with limited options.
What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. If he had a speed of 256 km/s, he would be able to dodge a bullet without any difficulty. But that didn’t happen. He got injured in the arm while dodging a bullet.
I really don't get what you mean dude because speed doesn't replace the tools and using a gun is about effciency and safety not the lack of the speed, so I don't really understand where you're coming from here brother.
This has nothing to do with safety. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a weapon.


Why would he use a weapon that is hundreds of times slower than himself? That makes no sense.
And again using Dorothy is literally a bad way to go against their speed cause she isn't a straight linear shooter she uses different types of tactics to hide her bullets.
Which tactics is she using?
 
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What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. If he had a speed of 256 km/h, he would be able to dodge a bullet without any difficulty. But that didn’t happen. He got injured in the arm while dodging a bullet.

This has nothing to do with safety. If he were hundreds of times faster than a bullet, he wouldn’t need to use a weapon.


Why would he use a weapon that is hundreds of times slower than himself? That makes no sense.

Which tactics is she using?
Dude your argument is against focusing on speed alone because Peter isn't dealing with a visible opponent in a standard exchange Dorothy is literally is miles away and completely concealed, so Peter isn't reacting to a clear observable shot he's dealing with an attack whose timing is obscured.

And like I already said in my argument Dorothy only managed to tag Peter once in the first attempt early on because of the fact Peter momentarily pauses after detecting killing intent which showcases his awarenes operating at a level where he can sense incoming danger even from his blind spots and this doesn't represent a failure to react, but clear showcases of his perception not knowing where the incoming threat was going to land because of her position being hidden. But from that point the Peter had continued to evolve around an empty auditorium to gain the upper, but Dorothy had already encountered to his tactics by manipulating the setting blinding him with stage lights, masking her position through speakers, and even attempting to track him with a GPS device which again proves that he at the disadvantage and that this encounter doesn't involve raw speed rather than shaping the environment.

Dude I don't really get your point dawg because Peter using a gun isn't a substitute for speed mh guy their just tools for range and even characters faster then their opponents literally eliminate threats from a distance rather exposing from a distane my guy and again Peter’s literally known for mastering every weapon.
 
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