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FNaF: Revisions to the Aftons (PART 1/2) (NEEDS MOD VOTES)

Monstermadman

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The Big Things:

Alrighty lets get this old thing done. The Aftons profiles are outdated to all heck. How outdated? William has summoning on his profile. That's how.

So I've proposed some changes to Michael, and William.

Changes to Mike+Will

AP: Upgrade to At least Street Level for William, Athlete Level for Mike

Michael should be comparable to Ralph (Especially after the scooper) due to being a night guard. Infact, its stated on his profile he should be comparable to Ralph (Who he himself is 9-C) yet is 10-B, Likely 9-C. Ralph has also been a guard for not nearly as long Mike has (Mike has, atleast according to his profile, been through FNaF 1, 2, 3, SL, and 6 whilst all Ralph has is TWB). William has also been heavily implied to be a guard, especially though his sprite in FNaF 2 which has a badge so he should be comparable to the guards (shown below). Given the fact that he trounces the FNaF 1 crew, he should probably be superior to Ralph

At the very least, Michael should be comparable to that of an Athletic human due to being a well experienced and trained night guard.



Agree: RaikiKurohane99 (With William)
Disagree: RaikiKurohane99 (With Michael)
Neutral:

Changes to William

IQ: Upgrade back to Extraordinary Genius+Addition of Social Influencing Feats
Abilities: Removal of Summoning

Currently, William is at Genius, Possibly Extraordinary Genius, but why don't we take a look at the Funtimes, the most advanced animatronics William has ever built! (Specifically Funtime Freddy+Funtime Foxy)





And for those who can't see what it says, it has the following:

Funtime Freddy:

-Proximity Sensor
-Voice Mimicry
-Parental Tracking/360 Degree Pivot
-Storage Tank

Funtime Foxy:

-Light Activation Sensor
-Parental Voice Sync and Replay
-Variable Scent Release
-Remote Floor Anchoring


Not to mention that each Funtime Animatronic has their own AI and unique personalities (Funtime Freddy is Aggressive, Circus Baby is cold and calculative, etc...), can track how many individual people are in a room at once, and even move individual plates on their body.

Afton also invented the scooper, a remnant injector and reservoir.



Now lets take a look at where the other 2 geniuses, Edwin and Henry, were at in a comparable timeframe (70s-80s)

Edwin: Had M1-M2 (Both are also voice mimicking AI's) aswell as Bigtop (A giant spider dude who takes tickets and has a giant music box), but everything else was just FNaF 1/Springlock suit prototypes or more cartoony foam suits

Henry: He built the early guys, aka the Toy Animatronics. They had facial recognition and a criminal database, however that still isn't much compared to William. It's also even possible it was accomplished with the help of William (Edwin was dead by 1987, when FNaF 2 happens, so he couldn't have done anything) but the two likely werent on speaking terms after Henry found his own child dead in an alleyway.

As we can see, Afton was still FAR ahead of Henry technologically and on a level comparable to Edwin Murray, so he should be and EG in terms of IQ.

Agree: RaikiKurohane99
Disagree
Neutral:


Now for the social influencing feats addition:

Adding the fact that William convinced his Engineers that the Funtimes were fine, inspite of being killing machines and that being obvious because of the giant freaking claw and mimicry.



Aswell as Afton manipulating most, if not all of Edwin's Employees to hand over some of the old prototype blueprints and abandon Murray in favor of becoming employees for Fazbear Entertainment.


https://imgur.com/a/7FT5vjO

For those who can't see Imgur, here's the origin of the images:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenights...f/five_nights_at_freddys_secret_of_the_mimic/

Agree: RaikiKurohane99
Disagree:
Neutral:

For the removal of the summoning in his first key, we don't know why Shadow Freddy was there or if William even did summon him. There is just no evidence that he did so.

Agree: RaikiKurohane99
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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Let's see here.
Monstermadman said:
Changes to Mike+Will

AP: Upgrade to Street Level

Michael should be comparable, if not superior to Ralph (Especially after the scooper) due to being a night guard. Infact, its stated on his profile he should be comparable to Ralph (Who he himself is 9-C) yet is 10-A, Likely 9-C. Ralph has also been a guard for not nearly as long Mike has (Mike has, atleast according to his profile, been through FNaF 1, 2, 3, SL, and 6 whilst all Ralph has is TWB). William has also been heavily implied to be a guard, especially though his sprite in FNaF 2 which has a badge so he should be comparable to the guards.
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Agree with this, also Phone Guy in FNaF 2 mentions not letting "previous employees" to come back which aligns with this, and TWB has a character named Dave who works as a technician, same nickname he used in the Novels, so this is supportive.
Monstermadman said:
Changes to William

IQ: Upgrade back to Extraordinary Genius+Addition of Social Influencing Feats
Abilities: Removal of Summoning

Currently, William is at Genius, Possibly Extraordinary Genius, but why don't we take a look at the Funtimes, the most advanced animatronics William has ever built! (Specifically Funtime Freddy+Funtime Foxy)





And for those who can't see what it says, it has the following:

Funtime Freddy:

-Proximity Sensor
-Voice Mimicry
-Parental Tracking/360 Degree Pivot
-Storage Tank

Funtime Foxy:

-Light Activation Sensor
-Parental Voice Sync and Replay
-Variable Scent Release
-Remote Floor Anchoring


Not to mention that each Funtime Animatronic has their own AI and unique personalities (Funtime Freddy is Aggressive, Circus Baby is cold and calculative, etc...), can track how many individual people are in a room at once, and even move individual plates on their body.

Afton also invented the scooper, a remnant injector and reservoir.



Now lets take a look at where the other 2 geniuses, Edwin and Henry, were at in a comparable timeframe (70s-80s)

Edwin: Had M1-M2 (Both are also voice mimicking AI's) aswell as Bigtop (A giant spider dude who takes tickets and has a giant music box), but everything else was just FNaF 1/Springlock suit prototypes or more cartoony foam suits

Henry: He built the early guys (Springlock+Toys, maybe FNaF 1 Crew) The Toy Animatronics had facial recognition and a criminal database, however that still isn't much compared to William. Springlock guys were just suits and regular animatronics.

As we can see, Afton was still ahead of Henry technologically and on a level comparable to Edwin Murray, so he should be and EG in terms of IQ.
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Heavily agree with this, he is blatantly EG and I always wondered how the heck he was downgraded despite Funtimes. Not to forget he most likely built Funtimes in the freaking 80s. The only way you can try tackling it is saying that William stole Mimic blueprints and is thus a fraud, but there is no ending in which FE actually gets his blueprints in SotM and Funtimes are not as advanced as Mimic, so probably not a good argument.
Monstermadman said:
Now for the social influencing feats addition:

Adding the fact that William convinced his Engineers that the Funtimes were fine, inspite of being killing machines and that being obvious because of the giant freaking claw and mimicry.



Aswell as Afton manipulating most, if not all of Edwin's Employees to hand over some of the old prototype blueprints and abandon Murray in favor of becoming employees for Fazbear Entertainment.




For those who can't see Imgur, here's the origin of the images:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenights...f/five_nights_at_freddys_secret_of_the_mimic/
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Agree with this, also supportive for Intelligence.
Monstermadman said:
For the removal of the summoning in his first key, we don't know why Shadow Freddy was there or if William even did summon him. There is just no evidence that he did so.
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Monstermadman said:
William has summoning on his profile.
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Tbf, he probably does use Shadow Freddy somehow, since he very clearly helps and it's heavily implied that SF is agony used by William through Nightmare, but given that Encyclopedia says Shadow Freddy did it to help free souls (it's unreliable but still gives another point of view) and there are theories that SF is Crying Child or its own Bite Agony alongside with RWQFSFASXC, I think it can stay as likely/possibly since it's not entirely a stretch to assume that but there are other interpretations.

Overall, neat CRT. Good job!
 
Mostly fine, after a quick look their are some things I want to be corrected though.

Monstermadman said:
Henry: He built the early guys (Springlock+Toys, maybe FNaF 1 Crew) The Toy Animatronics had facial recognition and a criminal database, however that still isn't much compared to William. Springlock guys were just suits and regular animatronics.
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This needs to be changed, FNAF 1 animatronics were built by Edwin, also Springlocks were never confirmed to be "purely Henreys ideas", it's safer to give it as a shared accomplishment to William and Henrey (possibly even Edwin, he should at least get credits for the improved version)
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Mostly fine, after a quick look their are some things I want to be corrected though.


This needs to be changed, FNAF 1 animatronics were built by Edwin,also Springlocks were never confirmed to be "purely Henreys ideas", it's safer to give it as a shared accomplishment to William and Henrey (possibly even Edwin, he should at least get credits for the improved version)
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Oh right, I overlooked this. Henry and William only came up with Fredbear and Spring Bonnie (Freddy and Bonnie). Foxy and Chica were revealed to be originally Murray's ideas and separate from FE in SotM. You are right that Springlocks being purely Henry's work is contentious, and so are Toy Animatronics. Henry's genius overall is most dubious one in the games rn ngl. But, we know for a fact that he built Lefty, so he still has at least one confirmed invention and it's not that bad, although not that impressive compared to other stuff either.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Oh right, I overlooked this. Henry and William only came up with Fredbear and Spring Bonnie (Freddy and Bonnie). Foxy and Chica were revealed to be originally Murray's ideas and separate from FE in SotM. You are right that Springlocks being purely Henry's work is contentious, and so are Toy Animatronics. Henry's genius overall is most dubious one in the games rn ngl. But, we know for a fact that he built Lefty, so he still has at least one confirmed invention and it's not that bad, although not that impressive compared to other stuff either.
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Taking into consideration that by the time of fnaf 2 William already had to be incognito as a security guard, I don't think he and Henry were on speaking terms.

Also, do please add tags.
 
Perequeliri993 said:
Taking into consideration that by the time of fnaf 2 William already had to be incognito as a security guard, I don't think he and Henry were on speaking terms.
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True, but neither was Henry around during FNaF 2 era, since Phone Guy says they will "try to contact the original restaurant owner", i.e. Henry, implying he doesn't work on FE by that time. They likely came up with the idea before 1987, as we see toy versions of Toy Animatronics (as funny as it sounds) in FNaF 4 minigames which take place in 1983.
 
Monstermadman said:
AP: Upgrade to Street Level

Michael should be comparable, if not superior to Ralph (Especially after the scooper) due to being a night guard. Infact, its stated on his profile he should be comparable to Ralph (Who he himself is 9-C) yet is 10-A, Likely 9-C. Ralph has also been a guard for not nearly as long Mike has (Mike has, atleast according to his profile, been through FNaF 1, 2, 3, SL, and 6 whilst all Ralph has is TWB). William has also been heavily implied to be a guard, especially though his sprite in FNaF 2 which has a badge so he should be comparable to the guards.



Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
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Disagree. I actually think the "should be comparable to ralph" should be completely removed. Just being a nightguard doesn't make you instantly comparable to another night guard, especially when fazbear entertainment had william as a night guard, who has ZERO qualifications to be one. There clearly isn't much of any training behind being a Freddy's night guard.

William scaling to Ralph i suppose i can see some sense in due to him being able to destroy the same animatronics ralph can damage. so... Ig if you want to give william the scaling, fine, but Michael i see no way to reasonably do that without assumptions.
Monstermadman said:
IQ: Upgrade back to Extraordinary Genius+Addition of Social Influencing Feats
Abilities: Removal of Summoning

Currently, William is at Genius, Possibly Extraordinary Genius, but why don't we take a look at the Funtimes, the most advanced animatronics William has ever built! (Specifically Funtime Freddy+Funtime Foxy)





And for those who can't see what it says, it has the following:

Funtime Freddy:

-Proximity Sensor
-Voice Mimicry
-Parental Tracking/360 Degree Pivot
-Storage Tank

Funtime Foxy:

-Light Activation Sensor
-Parental Voice Sync and Replay
-Variable Scent Release
-Remote Floor Anchoring


Not to mention that each Funtime Animatronic has their own AI and unique personalities (Funtime Freddy is Aggressive, Circus Baby is cold and calculative, etc...), can track how many individual people are in a room at once, and even move individual plates on their body.

Afton also invented the scooper, a remnant injector and reservoir.



Now lets take a look at where the other 2 geniuses, Edwin and Henry, were at in a comparable timeframe (70s-80s)

Edwin: Had M1-M2 (Both are also voice mimicking AI's) aswell as Bigtop (A giant spider dude who takes tickets and has a giant music box), but everything else was just FNaF 1/Springlock suit prototypes or more cartoony foam suits

Henry: He built the early guys (Springlock+Toys, maybe FNaF 1 Crew) The Toy Animatronics had facial recognition and a criminal database, however that still isn't much compared to William. Springlock guys were just suits and regular animatronics.

As we can see, Afton was still ahead of Henry technologically and on a level comparable to Edwin Murray, so he should be and EG in terms of IQ.

Agree:
Disagree
Neutral:
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I agree, however I should note that William didn't program any "personality" into the animatronics. They're literally alive due to William's remnant studies. Rest of the AI stuff isn't EG but the builds themselves are.
Monstermadman said:
Now for the social influencing feats addition:

Adding the fact that William convinced his Engineers that the Funtimes were fine, inspite of being killing machines and that being obvious because of the giant freaking claw and mimicry.



Aswell as Afton manipulating most, if not all of Edwin's Employees to hand over some of the old prototype blueprints and abandon Murray in favor of becoming employees for Fazbear Entertainment.


https://imgur.com/a/7FT5vjO

For those who can't see Imgur, here's the origin of the images:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenights...f/five_nights_at_freddys_secret_of_the_mimic/

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
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This is fine.
Monstermadman said:
For the removal of the summoning in his first key, we don't know why Shadow Freddy was there or if William even did summon him. There is just no evidence that he did so.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
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This is fine.
 
Comiphorous said:
William scaling to Ralph i suppose i can see some sense in due to him being able to destroy the same animatronics ralph can damage. so... Ig if you want to give william the scaling, fine, but Michael i see no way to reasonably do that without assumptions.
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I mean, we do scale Chica and Foxy to Bonnie via just assumptions for one-shotting Ralph, despite it not being necessary for them to be in the same tier to do so.

Sometimes you just have to go with what makes sense, especially in FNaF where it’s all intentionally vague and “where feats to chainscale” can be applied to most characters. We currently scale Undertale Frisk to Chara’s human form and vice versa because of them both being human kids that fell into the Underground, which is even worse than here.
Comiphorous said:
I agree, however I should note that William didn't program any "personality" into the animatronics. They're literally alive due to William's remnant studies.
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Pretty sure Funtime Freddy partying personality is part of AI design in order to make him more appealing and Circus Baby’s manipulations are definitely part of the AI and not Elizabeth, since it is shown in SL where AI dominates and Elizabeth’s personality is heavily suppressed.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I mean, we do scale Chica and Foxy to Bonnie via just assumptions for one-shotting Ralph, despite it not being necessary for them to be in the same tier to do so.
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That's different. You can reasonably assume they're the same tier because they're all built the same. They're the same endoskeletons with different costumes on, so it's safe to assume they all can do the same thing due to that. They also have their own feats which can support them scaling to each other which makes it even easier to make that assumption. It's not baseless to have that assumption.
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Sometimes you just have to go with what makes sense, especially in FNaF where it’s all intentionally vague and “where feats to chainscale” can be applied to most characters. We currently scale Undertale Frisk to Chara’s human form and vice versa because of them both being human kids that fell into the Underground, which is even worse than here.
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Humans are not built the same like Freddy and the gang are. Humans can be wildly different with their physical strength, so just because they all have the same job which doesn't seem to have much background required to have doesn't mean they're all physically similar. It's all baseless.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
I mean, the fact he is a walking skin suit, without muscles or skeleton, is pretty damming evidence...
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I feel that that can be disregarded due to the fact he gets up and walks it off as soon as ennard leaves despite being hollow. Michael doesn't follow the simple laws of Biology (lol). As well as his regen possibly answering for both aswell.
 
Added tags btw.

And added this as a possibility under the respective section:

Dark_Soul20189 said:
Mostly fine, after a quick look their are some things I want to be corrected though.


This needs to be changed, FNAF 1 animatronics were built by Edwin, also Springlocks were never confirmed to be "purely Henreys ideas", it's safer to give it as a shared accomplishment to William and Henrey (possibly even Edwin, he should at least get credits for the improved version)
Click to expand...
 
Monstermadman said:
I feel that that can be disregarded due to the fact he gets up and walks it off as soon as ennard leaves despite being hollow. Michael doesn't follow the simple laws of Biology (lol). As well as his regen possibly answering for both aswell.
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I think you misunderstand something, Michael doesn't regen, he just survives with the damages. Regarding Mike's strength, we have nothing to prove that he is "stronger" or weaker than normal humans, so we can only make an educated guess with what little we have.
 
Currently we scale the FNAF 1 animatronics to 9-B. There is a page in TWB that involves Ralph (The Phone Guy) kicking off Bonnie's head after he repairs it (Page 178), he did this on Night 5 in an enraged state. I mention this as William's profile notes the possibility of him scaling to the FNAF 1 cast. This would add consistency with William physically dismantling the OGs in the minigames, as well as consistency between different continuities, like when Movie William threatened to tear apart the FNAF 1 animatronics in the Movie Novelisation, which would be consistent with Ralph's feat, as well as the game's feat of William dismantling the OGs.

(Also, I agree with the premise being made. Just suggesting a possibility for higher scaling.)
 
Katipax said:
Currently we scale the FNAF 1 animatronics to 9-B. There is a page in TWB that involves Ralph (The Phone Guy) kicking off Bonnie's head after he repairs it (Page 178)
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I mean, it falls under stuff like toddlers dismantling Mangle, doesn’t it?
Katipax said:
when Movie William threatened to tear apart the FNAF 1 animatronics in the Movie Novelisation
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Novelizations suck, they have Aunt Jane dead and Charlie dying in 1983 instead of 1982. So yeah, don’t use them. Also, Movies Afton was crapping his pants once animatronics became hostile to him.

Scaling night guards to animatronics leaves a really bad taste in my mouth since animatronics, y’know, repeatedly one-shot Michael and Ralph in many different scenarios.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
I mean, it falls under stuff like toddlers dismantling Mangle, doesn’t it?

Novelizations suck, they have Aunt Jane dead and Charlie dying in 1983 instead of 1982. So yeah, don’t use them. Also, Movies Afton was crapping his pants once animatronics became hostile to him.

Scaling night guards to animatronics leaves a really bad taste in my mouth since animatronics, y’know, repeatedly one-shot Michael and Ralph in many different scenarios.
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I mean it could be an outlier for Ralph
 
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