"The Dark Defender vs The Purple Guy" (Dexter Morgan vs William Afton) (9-4-1) (GRACE OVER)

[Anonymous_Learner]

I've been getting into Dexter's show for a bit now (finished season 4 as of recent) and, with me now in FNAF mood thanks to Bite by Night, i thought this would be fun

William's Possibly Superhuman characteristics, Possibly Wall level, and likely Remnant is granted
Dexter has Prior Knowledge that William was the prime suspect of the MCI
William's Possibly Extraordinary Genius IQ is granted
Dexter's Possibly Higher Lifting Strength is granted
Battle takes place in a Freddy Fazbear's Pizzaria
Starting Distance is 30 Meters

Human William Afton will be used
Attack Potency: 394,773.549 Joules
Speed: >>20.72 m/s travel and combat speed, higher attack speed, 89.4 m/s reactions
Durability: 394,773.549 Joules
Lifting Strength: 0.12 metric tons

Season 1 Dexter will be used
Attack Potency: 31,650.22 Joules
Speed: >25.9009440598 m/s travel speed, 52.5767754443 m/s combat and reaction speeds, 0.00231913243 Seconds perception
Durability: 31,650.22 Joules
Lifting Strength: >0.5669904625 Metric Tons

Fight OST;


The Man Behind the Slaughter: @Monstermadman, @OrangeFR, @Anonymous_Learner, @Oiguana2701, @Ruby_R_Dracula, @Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh, @Nonynho, @Katipax, @ShionAH
The Bay Harbor Butcher: @LIGHTYW, @Pyro9278, @EnderLord8, @kwelski
They Both Die (Incon): @XSOULOFCINDERX

 

[Oiguana2701]

William has an advantage in AP of 12.47301121x. Stomp.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Swear people will see an AP and Dura advantage and instantly think stomp...
Yes, if Willam lands a good hit, he'll likely oneshot dexter. However, Dexter's not just gonna stand still and let himself get hit.
William has no combat skill feats besides sneaking robots possesed by children and would have to get in close to fight dexter, which would be incredibly difficult since Dexter's faster than him, likely prepared for that, and is (lowkey a sneak merchent) excellent at sneaking up at people.
Dexter's Faster in both Travel and combat, much Smarter (combat wise and in...pretty much everything besides invention), incredibly sneaky, LS Diffs like crazy, immense perception, incredibly agile/acrobatic (unlike william), senses that let him know to dodge attacks from behind, can maybe stun him with his knowledge on pressure points, and can literally knock him out with M99 which is usually what he starts off with. Plus, with Dexter's prior knowledge that William most likely committed the MCI, he's likely gonna be even more relentless.
That said, William is strong but Dexter isn't going down easy and has feasible wincons

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

This ain't the first time Dexter's boxed with someone stronger than him either

 

[Monstermadman]

Fire music btw

That said, William here has a solid AP + Dura + Reaction Speed advantage enough to one-shot Dexter. Sure, William isn't as well versed in combat but that Low-Tier Remnant William has really just means Dexter can't keep him down nearly as easy as with the others, even if they were stronger. Dexter doesn't know about the Remnant, so he wouldn't plan around it. Also as listed in his weaknesses category, crimes involving kids make him act irrationally and break his code. So involving 5-6 slaughtered kids would probably not be the best for him to fight his best.

Afton FRA, but it is fairly close.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Fire music btw

FR, Bite By Night got bars

That said, William here has a solid AP + Dura + Reaction Speed advantage enough to one-shot Dexter. Sure, William isn't as well versed in combat but that Low-Tier Remnant William has really just means Dexter can't keep him down nearly as easy as with the others, even if they were stronger. Dexter doesn't know about the Remnant, so he wouldn't plan around it.

Afton FRA, but it is fairly close.

hmm, fairs. Counting
say, would restricting William's "Likely Remnant" make this closer or make it a stomp for Dexter?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

i prefer William having his Remnant but, if it makes this fairer, I'll restrict it

 

[Monstermadman]

i prefer William having his Remnant but, if it makes this fairer, I'll restrict it

Getting rid of the remnant would likely just do essentially nothing because its still an Irrational dexter vs someone with nearly a 13x AP/Dura advantage aswell as a solid IQ advantage.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

fairs. Purple Man keeps his soul juice

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

following

 

[OrangeFR]

William FRA, this is close tho icl, I personally see William winning 55/45.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

glad people see this as a close fight like i do

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Now, as i said, i do believe Dexter has a chance of closing the gap due to numerous advantages but i think that AP and dura of William's is one hell-of-a thing he'd have to overcome.
It'd be extremely close, A Very High Diff battle, but William has my vote FRA.

 

[Oiguana2701]

William FRA

 

[LIGHTYW]

unless im missing something, Dexter should out-stealth and sneak up on Afton. In Season 1, he was much more meticulous and calculated with his approach (he was more meticulous and more cold in basically everything tbh)

and the AP difference is likely negligible when you account for the difference in combat speed and skill. and Dexter’s supersonic perception just ensures he stays steps ahead in, making it almost impossible for William to land a hit.

Combining all of this with his LS advantage, and since Dexter can leverage his advantages far more effectively than Afton can on combat, i honestly dont see Afton being able to deal with it. Dexter 67
wins

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Bro's not talking in all caps...

(Counting your vote)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

unless im missing something, Dexter should out-stealth and sneak up on Afton. In Season 1, he was much more meticulous and calculated with his approach (he was more meticulous and more cold in basically everything tbh)

and the AP difference is likely negligible when you account for the difference in combat speed and skill. and Dexter’s supersonic perception just ensures he stays steps ahead in, making it almost impossible for William to land a hit.

Combining all of this with his LS advantage, and since Dexter can leverage his advantages far more effectively than Afton can on combat, i honestly dont see Afton being able to deal with it. Dexter 67
wins

I mean...will he really be so meticulous with the knowledge that William brutally killed at least 5 kids?
All your other points i can get behind, i even said some myself when i was defending dexter and saying this isn't a stomp, but i'm curious on your thoughts

 

[LIGHTYW]

Bro's not talking in all caps...

(Counting your vote)

JJK DISCUSSIONS HAS DONE IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO ME

I mean...will he really be so meticulous with the knowledge that William brutally killed at least 5 kids?
All your other points i can get behind, i even said some myself when i was defending dexter and saying this isn't a stomp, but i'm curious on your thoughts

Good point, I actually forgot that thing about Dexter lol. but, Id say S1 Dexter was "different", he genuinely seemed to thought he was devoid of emotion. I’d argue he only becomes more impulsive later on, once he realizes the people in his life are more than just a convenient cover for his "mask",

like the attack on the PDF guy from the supermarket scene, i dont think S1 Dex would ever do that.

But if the consensus of the match is that Dexter will be affected by it, William should win

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

JJK DISCUSSIONS HAS DONE IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO ME

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

Good point, I actually forgot that thing about Dexter lol. but, Id say S1 Dexter was "different", he genuinely seemed to thought he was devoid of emotion. I’d argue he only becomes more impulsive later on, once he realizes the people in his life are more than just a convenient cover for his "mask",

like the attack on the PDF guy from the supermarket scene, i dont think S1 Dex would ever do that.

But if the consensus of the match is that Dexter will be affected by it, William should win

Hmmm. Those are fair points, S1 Dexter was definately him at his most "detatched" but i, and the other votes, do believe he'll at least be affected with his prior knowledge of the fact that good ole William has mostly done the MCI, especially when Spectral Harry said that he has always had a soft spot for kids in season 4, iirc.
That said, should i switch your vote to William or do you still believe Dexter can clutch, perhaps using that knowledge as motivation?

 

[LIGHTYW]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

Hmmm. Those are fair points, S1 Dexter was definately him at his most "detatched" but i, and the other votes, do believe he'll at least be affected with his prior knowledge of the fact that good ole William has mostly done the MCI, especially when Spectral Harry said that he has always had a soft spot for kids in season 4, iirc.
That said, should i switch your vote to William or do you still believe Dexter can clutch, perhaps using that knowledge as motivation?

change it**, also, I just remembered a point that might help Dexter's case. In S1E1 (the entire episode is on YouTube), he actually hunts down a killer of children without letting his emotions interfere during the catch and hunt. He only shows that 'rampage' side and the iconic "open your eyes" moment after he has complete control of the situation and he knew the guy wasnt a threat anymore. What do you think? Or does that moment only makes it worse for Dexter's case? (and the others too, if they could take a look at it)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

change it**, also, I just remembered a point that might help Dexter's case. In S1E1 (the entire episode is on YouTube), he actually hunts down a killer of children without letting his emotions interfere during the catch and hunt. He only shows that 'rampage' side and the iconic "open your eyes" moment after he has complete control of the situation and he knew the guy wasnt a threat anymore. What do you think? Or does that moment only makes it worse for Dexter's case? (and the others too, if they could take a look at it)

hmm. I don't know. This actually a very good point for S1 Dexter. I do believe this establish that dexter can keep his (very little) emotions under control...when he thinks he has control. Then again, with this fight and William having faster reactions (though Dexter has way faster perceptions), things might not go according to plan but i believe this does prove he can be in the right mental space.

TLDR; If Dexter believes he's in control, he got it intilally but a prolonged fight, especially with William being stronger and far more resilent endurance wise thank to remnant soul juice, might make him being to lash out

 

[Monstermadman]

Even if he M99s him and does his usual ritual, whats stopping Afton from simply getting out after? Dexter loves to interrogate his victims when they are on the table but William with the higher AP+Okay LS should be able to get out before Dexter does something (Afton also has regen here thx to remnant so theres a chance William, like Michael, survives that outright)

Afton also has comparable stealth (Sneaking up on the FNaF 1 crew who does so to trained guards presumably on a weekly basis)

When Dexter tries to get close to M99 him, William's gonna know something is off (especially with the IQ gap and higher reaction speed) and just beat the crap out of him. Dexter has his wincons but I don't see him winning as consistantly as Afton.

 

[LIGHTYW]

Even if he M99s him and does his usual ritual, whats stopping Afton from simply getting out after? Dexter loves to interrogate his victims when they are on the table but William with the higher AP+Okay LS should be able to get out before Dexter does something (Afton also has regen here thx to remnant so theres a chance William, like Michael, survives that outright)

I'm not sure if Afton can pull it off. Afton already scales greatly below Dexter in LS and Dexter's table can hold people that are just as strong as him or even stronger, like with Little Chino.

And in a situation where Dexter has caught Afton, he could just hold him down via his significantly higher LS and cut him. And how good is his regen? Because Dexter usually starts with decapitation

Afton also has comparable stealth (Sneaking up on the FNaF 1 crew who does so to trained guards presumably on a weekly basis)

Don't know about Afton being comparable, but Dexter’s senses should counter him. Besides, is in character for Afton to try that on his fights?

When Dexter tries to get close to M99 him, William's gonna know something is off (especially with the IQ gap and higher reaction speed) and just beat the crap out of him.

Can William actually keep up here? Dexter has more stealth feats, and as I recall, often against more experienced and trained opponents. Looking at William’s profile, I don't see anything that would allow him to sense Dexter beforehanded. Plus, Dexter should comfortably hold his own in CQC thanks to his superior combat speed, LS, skill, and supersonic perception (Dexter also has pressure points but i dont know if that's working on someone like Afton.)

 

[LIGHTYW]

hmm. I don't know. This actually a very good point for S1 Dexter. I do believe this establish that dexter can keep his (very little) emotions under control...when he thinks he has control. Then again, with this fight and William having faster reactions (though Dexter has way faster perceptions), things might not go according to plan but i believe this does prove he can be in the right mental space.

TLDR; If Dexter believes he's in control, he got it intilally but a prolonged fight, especially with William being stronger and far more resilent endurance wise thank to remnant soul juice, might make him being to lash out

Thanks . I guess Dexter has his chance then so im actually keeping my vote..

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I'm not sure if Afton can pull it off. Afton already scales greatly below Dexter in LS and Dexter's table can hold people that are just as strong as him or even stronger, like with Little Chino.

And in a situation where Dexter has caught Afton, he could just hold him down via his significantly higher LS and cut him. And how good is Michael's regen? Because Dexter usually starts with decapitation

Don't know about Afton being comparable, but Dexter’s senses should counter him. Besides, is in character for Afton to try that on his fights?

Can William actually keep up here? Dexter has more stealth feats, and as I recall, often against more experienced and trained opponents. Looking at William’s profile, I don't see anything that would allow him to sense Dexter beforehanded. Plus, Dexter should comfortably hold his own in CQC thanks to his superior combat speed, LS, skill, and supersonic perception

yeah, stealth and combat wise, Dexter skill diffs with no difficulty.
as for regen, he has low mid due to scaling to Michael regen his eyes and lungs after they were scooped out but thst was ocer an unknown ammount of time (possibly years) so i think a decapitated will, at worst, incapitate William for so long and give the bay harbor butcher a win

Thanks . I guess Dexter has his chance then so im actually keeping my vote..

welcome. you know, you're pretty cool. I got a kashimo matchup coming up just for you

 

[LIGHTYW]

yeah, stealth and combat wise, Dexter skill diffs with no difficulty.
as for regen, he has low mid due to scaling to Michael regen his eyes and lungs after they were scooped out but thst was ocer an unknown ammount of time (possibly years) so i think a decapitated will, at worst, incapitate William for so long and give the bay harbor butcher a win

welcome. you know, you're pretty cool. I got a kashimo matchup coming up just for you

omg KASHIMO SPEEDBLITZES

 

[Pyro9278]

William can't counter Dexter's stealth, so he'll almost certainly be caught, and when that happens, he'll simply end up dismembered and dumped in the sea. Even knowing that this won't kill William, it's enough to incapacitate him and win. To break free from Dexter's rituals, William would need a higher LS, which he doesn't have in this key, and things like AP and Speed will be irrelevant if Dexter is almost certainly going to use stealth.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

vote counted

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

put me on for William for monster's reasons

 

[Monstermadman]

Did S1 Dexter ever come up against someone who had several ypung children related in theor crimes? Or at the very least children as a whole? If not then I don't think it's fair to say that Dexter wouldn't be affected by that. I didn't finish S1 so I'm just curious.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The pilot/first episode, his first body is someone who did a repeated child related crime.
As i said, he was calm and collected because he believed he had control over the situation. This might not be so easy since, unlike that criminal, Willam's comparable to Dexter in speed and reactions

 

[Monstermadman]

Don't know about Afton being comparable, but Dexter’s senses should counter him. Besides, is in character for Afton to try that on his fights?

Oh almost certainly. In every combat scenario shown in the games (admittedly just against the FNaF 1 animatronics.) He opens with a sneak attack.



The FNaF 1 animatronics also have enhanced senses, being able to see in entirely dark rooms aswell as Foxy hearing Phone Guy (Ralph) hold a doorknob in the bathroom from Pirate's Cove (Across the entire building) so that's why Afton and Dexter should be comparable in stealth.

Due to the higher reaction time the moment Dexter steps out of the bushes it's going to be straight hands between the two.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

William Vs. Dexter, the battle of the sneak merchants

 

[LIGHTYW]

Oh almost certainly. In every combat scenario shown in the games (admittedly just against the FNaF 1 animatronics.) He opens with a sneak attack.

Fair enough, but consider this, Dexter has prior knowledge while Afton doesn't even know what is hunting him.

and the main issue is whether Afton can even sense him coming. He doesn't seem to have enhanced senses or at least, they aren't mentioned in this key. And while his profile Key mentions stealth, it doesn't list any specific feats.. (You seem to have knowledge on that verse so if you could give us some info )

Due to the higher reaction time the moment Dexter steps out of the bushes it's going to be straight hands between the two.

but how exactly is Afton supposed to counter Dexter’s advantages? according to his profile and what others have pointed out, Afton has no combat experience whatsoever, whereas Dexter has the experience and skill set needed to neutralize Afton’s specific advantages. Dexter's skills and his supersonic perception should counter William's reaction advantage. Dexter's combat speed is over 2 times faster and Dexter is outskilling William on H2H too, and with the LS gap, Dexter can hold his own. Overall, i just see Dexter using his advantages far more effectively due to skill difference and some stats.

 

[Monstermadman]

and the main issue is whether Afton can even sense him coming. He doesn't seem to have enhanced senses or at least, they aren't mentioned in this key. And while his profile Key mentions stealth, it doesn't list any specific feats.. (You seem to have knowledge on that verse so if you could give us some info )

Considering he sneaks up on Foxy, who himself heard Ralph grab a doorknob from across the Pizzaria as well as Freddy, who can see in pitch black rooms, it wouldn't be out of left field to say that Afton's stealth mastery is enough to get past Dexter's enhanced senses. The FNaF 1 crew themselves have stealth mastery and he consistantly snuck up and threw hands with all of them, inspite all of them having FAR superior LS than Dexter and Afton combined (17.23 Metric Tons) and won every time.

Again, I fail to see how Dexter can plan around his Remnant which allowed Mike to survive having no organs and getting mauled by the animatronics with their Class 25 LS.

Sure, Afton doesn't know he's being hunted but once he sees Dexter, unlike many of Dexter's kills, he has the reaction time to actually avoid the M99 and either go into stealth mode, or literally punch his head off before Dexter can do anything.

 

[Mommyleona]

Wdym LIGHTYW can speak like a normal person without caps

 

[EnderLord8]

I'll vote for Dexter for now, because of his stealth + superior senses + M99 + superior LS. If William ends up on the table, it's game over, since he would need a higher LS than Dexter to escape, and frankly, Dexter should subdue him quickly enough to inject the M99 and bring him to the table, regardless of the AP/Dura advantage.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

vote counted

 

[Pyro9278]

Dexter also generally has better mobility, and the difference in reaction speed should be overshadowed by Dexter's enhanced perception and senses, which would allow him to anticipate William's stealthy movements.

 

[Monstermadman]

Dexter also generally has better mobility, and the difference in reaction speed should be overshadowed by Dexter's enhanced perception and senses, which would allow him to anticipate William's stealthy movements.

My issue with that is the things William has snuck up on also have enhanced senses. He snuck up of the FNaF 1 crew, who could hear Ralph hold a doorknob from across the building and see in pitch black rooms. They themselves also have stealth mastery from sneaking up on trained guards on a routine basis, including Michael Afton in the FNaF 1 game if you die, who snuck past the Funtimes. The Funtimes have very sensitive light and sound sensors as well. Dexter's stealth mastery is mainly confined to him sneaking up and hiding from people, sometimes trained individuals (some untrained serial killers, a hitman, some cops, etc...) but nothing as impressive as William's feats (idk why they aren't mentioned on his profile lol, I should really do that). William's stealth is just more potent in spite of less feats.

The perception bit doesn't really help here either. Just because Dexter can perceive some attacks doesn't mean he can react to them. There is a reason perception and reaction speed are separated.

I'd argue Afton has good mobility. He was able to comfortably move in the springlock suits but thats more iffy, I'll admit.