[7-0-0] Have no fear, Anya's here - Anya Forger vs Visitors (No, I'm Not a Human)

[Nonynho]

• Anya's at the protagonist's house, which she's completely familiarized with;
• Anya's wincon is staying alive after 15 days
  • The game has 11 endings 10 of them are possible (Anya's having no baby)
  • 4 of them get her alive at the end, any of them is acceptable
  • Friendly reminder that sometimes they don't even know they're Visitors but it still could give her a bad ending
  • Let's all remember that unrestricted by Game Mechanics they can kill her in her sleep
    • Specially The Intruder lol
• Speed equal

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What the f* happened? (incon)-

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Friendly reminder that sometimes they don't even know they're Visitors but it still could give her a bad ending

Anya having telepath here will work against her then, she just trust what she reads and dies

 

[Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh]

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[Nonynho]

Anya having telepath here will work against her then, she just trust what she reads and dies

Anya pays attention to TV and she'll be searching for signs on people
The house is actually likely to be full of humans or having like one visitor at max when FEMA drops by, and like some playthroughs where the player is paying good attention, FEMA can be f*ing her up lol

The point, IMO, where she can win like 51% of the time, is because Visitors will be f*ing her up last, killing other humans in the house first since it's where they'll be dividing sleeping places, leaving openings for her to end potential Visitors that got through. The main problem is if she's usually getting alone at any point, because The Intruder will kill her in her sleep if she's alone (by not being restricted by game mechanics, just his modus operandi)

 

[Nonynho]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can they even hurt her? She's an entire tier above them in stats.

 

[Nonynho]

Can they even hurt her? She's an entire tier above them in stats.

not restricted by game mechanics they definetely can kill her in her sleep, specially The Intruder
they're also very very scary (some people that wouldn't have Aura or similars scare her so it is important) and some have special powers

• Madness Manipulation & Fear Manipulation (A Visitor nicknamed "IT" is disturbing enough to make the Blinded Man rip his own eyes out and later commit suicide)
• Death Manipulation (The Coat Guy has a void in his stomach that insta-kills every guest in the room)

Basically if she's awake, only those 2 could kill her, possibly The Intruder too because he's violent and scary. All others would likely kill her in her sleep if other humans are unavailable in the house for them to kill

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

not restricted by game mechanics they definetely can kill her in her sleep, specially The Intruder
they're also very very scary (some people that wouldn't have Aura or similars scare her so it is important) and some have special powers


Basically if she's awake, only those 2 could kill her, possibly The Intruder too because he's violent and scary. All others would likely kill her in her sleep if other humans are unavailable in the house for them to kill

How would they kill her in her sleep if she out stats them to hell and back? The moment she feels them try to harm her she's punching a hole through whatever idiot tried that.

 

[Nonynho]

How would they kill her in her sleep if she out stats them to hell and back? The moment she feels them try to harm her she's punching a hole through whatever idiot tried that.

because she's a heavy sleeper and they gang up to get the kill, IC

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

because she's a heavy sleeper and they gang up to get the kill, IC

Okay let me rephrase this then. They can't hurt her whatsoever, so to me it seems more likely that if they do this then she's just gonna murder them after realizing something is hitting her and not doing damage to her.

 

[Friedoil11]

Okay let me rephrase this then. They can't hurt her whatsoever, so to me it seems more likely that if they do this then she's just gonna murder them after realizing something is hitting her and not doing damage to her.

He's not wrong tho.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He's not wrong tho.

He quite literally is because they would have to rely purely on their two hax guys and its not even guaranteed they'll show up.

 

[Nonynho]

Okay let me rephrase this then. They can't hurt her whatsoever, so to me it seems more likely that if they do this then she's just gonna murder them after realizing something is hitting her and not doing damage to her.

she won't be able to realize if they try because in this scenario shes asleep.
it is also not impossible that they use instruments found on the house to do some very graphical and appalling things, since they're usually goring the s* out of their victims. She also heavily downscales from the 9-B value while some of them upscale from their 9-C one

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

she won't be able to realize if they try because in this scenario shes asleep.
it is also not impossible that they use instruments found on the house to do some very graphical and appalling things, since they're usually goring the s* out of their victims. She also heavily downscales from the 9-B value while some of them upscale from their 9-C one

Okay but the gap between them is still absolutely gargantuan considering Anya isn't baseline and the Visitors don't seem that far into 9-C and Baseline 9-C to 9-B is a 50× gap. What exactly is the AP difference between Anya's calc and the Visitors' calc?

 

[Nonynho]

Okay but the gap between them is still absolutely gargantuan considering Anya isn't baseline and the Visitors don't seem that far into 9-C and Baseline 9-C to 9-B is a 50× gap. What exactly is the AP difference between Anya's calc and the Visitors' calc?

why would that matter when they have knives and etc and she's a child asleep, in this scenario?
the diff between calcs is around 47x, yeah, but as a normal child she's threatened by guns and knives who are also 9-C and below the value they have during the show, so this really don't seem impossible as you make it seem, in this very specific scenario

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

why would that matter when they have knives and etc and she's a child asleep, in this scenario?
the diff between calcs is around 47x, yeah, but as a normal child she's threatened by guns and knives who are also 9-C and below the value they have during the show, so this really don't seem impossible as you make it seem, in this very specific scenario

Going by our own rules I'm like 100% certain they would shatter on contact with Anya if used by someone that weak outside of her own verse.

 

[Nonynho]

Going by our own rules I'm like 100% certain they would shatter on contact with Anya if used by someone that weak outside of her own verse.

if we're assuming her verses weapons aren't regular weapons, then due to verse equalization the knives in her house definetely should be

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

if we're assuming her verses weapons aren't regular weapons, then due to verse equalization the knives in her house definetely should be

This whole debate is stupid as hell, it's either Anya stomps or the Visitors stomp going by either of our reasonings. There is no fair fight to be had here, especially if the two hax assholes get involved.

 

[Friedoil11]

He's not wrong tho.

He quite literally is because they would have to rely purely on their two hax guys and its not even guaranteed they'll show up.

Btw, by "he" I was trying to mean "you", as "You're not wrong tho"

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Btw, by "he" I was trying to mean "you", as "You're not wrong tho"

That was not intuitive at all.

 

[Friedoil11]

That was not intuitive at all.

Sorry, my bad. English isn't my first language.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Sorry, my bad. English isn't my first language.

It's alright, I was just telling it how it is. More experience is useful for pointing out flaws in anything.

 

[Friedoil11]

It's alright, I was just telling it how it is. More experience is useful for pointing out flaws in anything.

Yeah, I know. The fact is that sometimes the thing I want to say doesn't always have the same meaning between english and my native language.

 

[Nonynho]

This whole debate is stupid as hell, it's either Anya stomps or the Visitors stomp going by either of our reasonings. There is no fair fight to be had here, especially if the two hax assholes get involved.

I have trouble seeing the stomp here, seriously

because she has the mechanisms to avoid dying and to kill them, and they also have that
The thing is, will she survive for the 15 days? Or will she get herself alone? Or will she get herself killed because all the other humans in the house got killed by visitors?

Both sides have valid ways of winning and losing

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I have trouble seeing the stomp here, seriously

because she has the mechanisms to avoid dying and to kill them, and they also have that
The thing is, will she survive for the 15 days? Or will she get herself alone? Or will she get herself killed because all the other humans in the house got killed by visitors?

Both sides have valid ways of winning and losing

They can only kill her with the two hax guys since she out stats them to hell and back.

 

[Nonynho]

They can only kill her with the two hax guys since she out stats them to hell and back.

even if we go by that, they exist and it is definetely not impossible for them to end up inside Anya's house

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

even if we go by that, they exist and it is definetely not impossible for them to end up inside Anya's house

That's the problem I have with this thread and honestly I didn't even think about this point until now, but Anya's mind reading screws her over harder than I originally thought because of the one who's passive existence can drive even a blind guy to commit suicide. Even if she doesn't see that one or even notice its presence with any of her senses, her mind reading will pick it up and then she'll just kill herself. So if he even shows up and she didn't let him in, she still dies. This matchup no matter how you slice it is unfair because either Anya can play things perfectly with her mix of stats and hax or she loses through no fault of her own whatsoever.

 

[Nonynho]

because of the one who's passive existence can drive even a blind guy to commit suicide.

yeah, that's not how things went

he got so disturbed by seeing it that he got temporary comfort by gouging his eyes out and eventually commited that because of the psychological trauma still being there.

Anya's mind reading screws her

As i've previously discussed, that's true but it's not because of what you pointed out
Some Visitors don't know they're visitors yet, and the tests that the TV and radio tell you to keep doing can tell you if someone is (even the player, quite helps the game getting more immersive), and the answers to seeing the tests' results are both to leave them alone or kill them, and Anya's 100% able to do the latter as we saw
So if her IC behaviour is to keep watching TV like she loves to and listen to the radio and she's able to do the tests on whoever she welcomes in, she should be fine.
But false negatives are possible, because of how many things are test-able (teeth, gums, nails, eyes, ears, spectrum) and because some tests are more reliable than others for a more precise result, so even if she keeps testing them, she can get screwed up

Even if she doesn't see that one or even notice its presence with any of her senses, her mind reading will pick it up and then she'll just kill herself. So if he even shows up and she didn't let him in, she still dies.

Use that article for a more in-depth behaviour of his
IT can appear and screw her up, but it's not likely af, so we should give more attention to the Coat Guy

 

[Nonynho]

together with bumping, i'd say i've brought up enough reason about why this is fair but Anya still takes this, so i'm voting her FRA

 

[Nonynho]

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[Nonynho]

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[Nonynho]

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[Nonynho]

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[Doggo]

I must say you make pretty creative threads

 

[Doggo]

not restricted by game mechanics they definetely can kill her in her sleep, specially The Intruder
they're also very very scary (some people that wouldn't have Aura or similars scare her so it is important) and some have special powers


Basically if she's awake, only those 2 could kill her, possibly The Intruder too because he's violent and scary. All others would likely kill her in her sleep if other humans are unavailable in the house for them to kill

Do those two know they are Visitors? If they do, then Anya kicks them out easily

Tf is Intruder gonna do agaisnt a girl much strogner than he is?

 

[Nonynho]

I must say you make pretty creative threads

well, that's a nice contrast from what i've been hearing lmao
thank you :>

Do those two know they are Visitors? If they do, then Anya kicks them out easily

Coat guy doesn't, but as she reads thoughts she'll first hear that he's someone with socialization issues, maaaaaaaaaaybe later she'll know what's his belly issue

• After talking to him several times, he will show you what's under his coat, earning you the "Event Horizon" achievement.
  • When revealing the hole in his stomach, all other guests in the room will die (including other visitors).
    • This seems to implies that The Coat Guy truly doesn’t intend to kill. However, the protagonist will survive the event with no injury or damage, for reasons that remain unclear.
  • An event horizon, in real life, is the threshold in which a black hole is capable of absorbing light, hence why the achievement is aptly named.
  • Even if no one else was in the room for the Coat Guy to accidentally kill with his secret, this does not change any dialogue. The Protagonist will still be upset as if someone died, alongside the Coat Guy being apologetic.

Tf is Intruder gonna do agaisnt a girl much strogner than he is?

They could and would kill her in her sleep. If they know she's too strong to eviscerate like others (very likely cuz she'll kill them by punching, not with the shotgun as usual), they aren't much stupid so they could asphyxiate her and then eviscerate her

 

[Doggo]

They could and would kill her in her sleep. If they know she's too strong to eviscerate like others (very likely cuz she'll kill them by punching, not with the shotgun as usual), they aren't much stupid so they could asphyxiate her and then eviscerate her

Then the Intruder immediately gets caught by her tho? She reads his mind and instantly becomes aware of his nasty intentions.

oat guy doesn't, but as she reads thoughts she'll first hear that he's someone with socialization issues, maaaaaaaaaaybe later she'll know what's his belly issue

From what im reading here, he does not kill the player so Anya is safe.

 

[Nonynho]

Then the Intruder immediately gets caught by her tho? She reads his mind and instantly becomes aware of his nasty intentions.




From what im reading here, he does not kill the player so Anya is safe.

The intruder would eventually invade her home if not limited by game mechanics 100%;

Well, he kills without wanting to do it and Anya ≠ player, so she can get victimized whenever

 

[Doggo]

The intruder would eventually invade her home if not limited by game mechanics 100%;

Again, he does not do crap. He is much weaker than she is, and she would instantly realize his intentions and immediately kick his ass. She would quite literally stomp him

Well, he kills without wanting to do it and Anya ≠ player, so she can get victimized whenever

Why are we ignoring game mechanics when said game mechanics are how the character acts? If he does not want to kill the guy who gave him a play to stay, then he wont do the same to the child doing the same thing.

 

[Nonynho]

Again, he does not do crap. He is much weaker than she is, and she would instantly realize his intentions and immediately kick his ass. She would quite literally stomp him

Welp, if he attempts to kill her while she's awake, yeah, he's busted

Why are we ignoring game mechanics when said game mechanics are how the character acts?

Don't know where this "ignoring" one came from
Coat Guy kills everyone in the room and the reason why the player ain't dead is literally unknown, and because he's a Visitor but doesn't know he either

1. Bonds with Anya and kills her by revealing what's under the coat without wanting to do it
2. Bonds with Anya and remains alive without revealing the secret but guarantees her a bad ending

Because Anya reading scary thoughts doesn't necessarily prompt her to get away 100% of the time, the 2nd case is quite likely

If he does not want to kill the guy who gave him a play to stay, then he wont do the same to the child doing the same thing.

The "1." part i stated is due to something i think you're misinterpreting, i'll quote again

• After talking to him several times, he will show you what's under his coat, earning you the "Event Horizon" achievement.
  • When revealing the hole in his stomach, all other guests in the room will die (including other visitors).
    • This seems to implies that The Coat Guy truly doesn’t intend to kill. However, the protagonist will survive the event with no injury or damage, for reasons that remain unclear.
  • An event horizon, in real life, is the threshold in which a black hole is capable of absorbing light, hence why the achievement is aptly named.
  • Even if no one else was in the room for the Coat Guy to accidentally kill with his secret, this does not change any dialogue. The Protagonist will still be upset as if someone died, alongside the Coat Guy being apologetic.

Whatever the reason is, for the protag not to have died, should not apply to Anya if she were to get herself in this situation