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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Because he was getting stronger physically to the point he could ignore Shin's superior skill. This was clearly stated.
I'd advise you to go read that part again otherwise I'd have to cook you the way I cooked vector a while ago
Shin managed to truly destroy Anahem. It was stated so, and the explanation couldn't be clearer. In fact I had a hard time believing you actually disagreed with this. I thougt I was getting trolled. But here we are.
I never disagreed with it, I only had a problem with some of your takes and only regen through the withered desert was negated. Anahem came back after Equis was recreated
 
I'd advise you to go read that part again otherwise I'd have to cook you the way I cooked vector a while ago
Done. You could say it was resistance, I guess. It's not physical power but his magic power that was continued to rise each time he perished, and it had risen to the point it could surpass Shin's skill.
I never disagreed with it, I only had a problem with some of your takes and only regen through the withered desert was negated. Anahem came back after Equis was recreated
The regen through the Withered Desert was negated is what I understand from reading the fight though. Why else didn't he regenerate back like he always did if it wasn't negated then?

"Anahem's source was slain in a single move. But instead of collapsing, the God Slasher remained embedded in his body. The hidden art was maintaining the divine body after the source had perished. The order of the Withered Desert returned Anahem's source back to his body."

And here's after Shin had discovered his weakness.

"Without a moment of mercy, Shin swung his sword, cutting the God of Demise into fragments. The fragments scattered and dispersed into nothingness. In the span of one breath, Shin unleashed countless slashes, leaving behind only a single grain of sand."

If the regen through the Withered Desert was still functioning as usual then what happened there?

Anos also said what Shin did was the only way to truly destroy Anahem, so I think turns out he's just glazing his right hand man, because it wasn't truly at all if coming back by himself was still possible.
 
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Done. You could say it was resistance, I guess. It's not physical power but his magic power that was continued to rise each time he perished, and it had risen to the point it could surpass Shin's skill.
Point is his power surpassing Shin's skill is another matter entirely and has nothing to do with him gaining resistance. He could still be harmed by the blade but it's power did nothing to him
The regen through the Withered Desert was negated is what I understand from reading the fight though. Why else didn't he regenerate back like he always did if it wasn't negated then?

"Anahem's source was slain in a single move. But instead of collapsing, the God Slasher remained embedded in his body. The hidden art was maintaining the divine body after the source had perished. The order of the Withered Desert returned Anahem's source back to his body."

And here's after Shin had discovered his weakness.

"Without a moment of mercy, Shin swung his sword, cutting the God of Demise into fragments. The fragments scattered and dispersed into nothingness. In the span of one breath, Shin unleashed countless slashes, leaving behind only a single grain of sand."

If the regen through the Withered Desert was still fictioning as usual then what happened there?

Anos also said what Shin did was the only way to truly destroy Anahem, so I think turns out he's just glazing his right hand man, because it wasn't truly at all if coming back by himself was still possible.
There's a difference between negation and circumvention. If a person has type 8 reliant on some object, destroying that object doesn't mean you negated it, you just by passed it. Shin exploited Anahem's weakness to put him down. No God destroyed during this period could come back on their own as they were a part of Equis. Destroying them once allowed them to resist Equis control and once they were freed from him, they all came back. Shin doesn't get any special ability for doing this. Anos was just praising his insight at being able to figure out Anahem's weakness despite him never going to the round garden of principles. He deduced it all by himself
 
Point is his power surpassing Shin's skill is another matter entirely and has nothing to do with him gaining resistance. He could still be harmed by the blade but it's power did nothing to him

There's a difference between negation and circumvention. If a person has type 8 reliant on some object, destroying that object doesn't mean you negated it, you just by passed it. Shin exploited Anahem's weakness to put him down. No God destroyed during this period could come back on their own as they were a part of Equis. Destroying them once allowed them to resist Equis control and once they were freed from him, they all came back. Shin doesn't get any special ability for doing this. Anos was just praising his insight at being able to figure out Anahem's weakness despite him never going to the round garden of principles. He deduced it all by himself
I figured it's the choice of words you had a problem with. Doesn't change anything much though, as far as my point goes. The order of the Withered Desert didn't work to regenerate him back because his source was on the brink of destruction, someone between depth and demise which Anahem had no control over.

What did Anos mean when he said Shin had truly killed Anahem, then?
 

New Thread for competition and matchup day
 
Wish to get some admins on this, or some more people involved. Wasn't there a thread for that?

 
Wish to get some admins on this, or some more people involved. Wasn't there a thread for that?

here
 
 
Alright it's 12:06 AM now in my area. When will the High 1-A Anos thread be dropped today, at what time?
 

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Yooo I have a question
Now that this thread has passed, how does this affect the other characters' scaling?
Such as characters that clearly scale higher, such as Jerga and Emila
 
Yooo I have a question
Now that this thread has passed, how does this affect the other characters' scaling?
Such as characters that clearly scale higher, such as Jerga and Emila
It doesn't Anos solos all
 
Yooo I have a question
Now that this thread has passed, how does this affect the other characters' scaling?
Such as characters that clearly scale higher, such as Jerga and Emila
Me dio COVID 😭
 
What did Anos mean when he said Shin had truly killed Anahem, then?
I’ve been wondering about this as well. I remember seeing on Discord a long time ago where Vergil mentioned that Rival & Naptha (Prime) > Shin > Anahem. Specifically, within the series itself, there shouldn't be any reason for Anahem to be stronger than Shin unless you're citing the Author's Q&A which stated that Anahem > Graham. However, even then, the author was referring specifically to 'physical power' So, what exactly makes Anahem > Shin? Also, the Top 10 Arc Militia bit makes me even more curious
 
I’ve been wondering about this as well. I remember seeing on Discord a long time ago where Vergil mentioned that Rival & Naptha (Prime) > Shin > Anahem. Specifically, within the series itself, there shouldn't be any reason for Anahem to be stronger than Shin unless you're citing the Author's Q&A which stated that Anahem > Graham. However, even then, the author was referring specifically to 'physical power' So, what exactly makes Anahem > Shin? Also, the Top 10 Arc Militia bit makes me even more curious
Shu was really pushing the power creep in each volume starting from vol 8. I don't know why Vergil thinks Naphta, Revalschned and Shin are above Anahem though, at best it applies to Shin and even then, being destroyed once is all it takes for him to be stronger than him once again
 
Shu was really pushing the power creep in each volume starting from vol 8. I don't know why Vergil thinks Naphta, Revalschned and Shin are above Anahem though, at best it applies to Shin and even then, being destroyed once is all it takes for him to be stronger than him once again
Wow. Anahem can resist 2A characters?
 
Shu was really pushing the power creep in each volume starting from vol 8. I don't know why Vergil thinks Naphta, Revalschned and Shin are above Anahem though, at best it applies to Shin and even then, being destroyed once is all it takes for him to be stronger than him once again
Why don't you try debating him? It's likely related to Win-cons and Hax, and I think his reasoning might not be that bad
 
Also, I have another question: Why is the Dark Firmament (or Black Sky) as Low 2-C in the Cosmology? We know it exists above the 'World' and the 'Firmament' but it shouldn't just refer to a 'Universe' especially since Shu stated in a Q&A that 'there are no concepts of planets or stars within the Black Sky. The stars we see are actually the Divine Realm.' I recall that <Ji Gavron> destroyed the firmament and the Order of the Firmament. However, the Dark Firmament exists behind all that, even when the Order of the Firmament is destroyed, it remains. Originally, I thought it would qualify for something higher than Low 2-C, perhaps 2-A or even Low 1-C. What is the specific reasoning for keeping it at Low 2-C? or is it because the Sun remains even after the Firmament is gone? However, it would contradict what Shu said if we assume the Sun exists within the Black Sky.
 
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Saucy and Kuma told me Anos is finished there

 
Also, I have another question: Why is the Dark Firmament (or Black Sky) as Low 2-C in the Cosmology? We know it exists above the 'World' and the 'Firmament' but it shouldn't just refer to a 'Universe' especially since Shu stated in a Q&A that 'there are no concepts of planets or stars within the Black Sky. The stars we see are actually the Divine Realm.' I recall that <Ji Gavron> destroyed the firmament and the Order of the Firmament. However, the Dark Firmament exists behind all that, even when the Order of the Firmament is destroyed, it remains. Originally, I thought it would qualify for something higher than Low 2-C, perhaps 2-A or even Low 1-C. What is the specific reasoning for keeping it at Low 2-C? or is it because the Sun remains even after the Firmament is gone? However, it would contradict what Shu said if we assume the Sun exists within the Black Sky.
1. Divine domains don't exist in the black sky. Otherwise Gods wouldn't need the divine gates to come down to earth.

2. Stars for sure reside in the black sky. This was established in volume 6, 9 and 10. Though, I'm curious where you find Shu's statement regarding stars not existing in the worldview and them being divine domains instead. Can you link the QnA or at least qoute this specific statement?

3. Guess it's safe to assume that blue firnament and black firnament operates under two completely different orders. The same as the azure firnament of gods.

4. We also have Shu indirectly confirming that the black firnament operates similar to a 4th dimensional space, possibly 5th. That's already a good standing argument to scale it higher.
 
1. Divine domains don't exist in the black sky. Otherwise Gods wouldn't need the divine gates to come down to earth.

2. Stars for sure reside in the black sky. This was established in volume 6, 9 and 10. Though, I'm curious where you find Shu's statement regarding stars not existing in the worldview and them being divine domains instead. Can you link the QnA or at least qoute this specific statement?
What Shu said is more that other planets don't exist. He didn't say that there are no stars but that not every light source in the dark firmament is a star and is rather light coming from the Firmament of the Gods (through the gates).
4. We also have Shu indirectly confirming that the black firnament operates similar to a 4th dimensional space, possibly 5th. That's already a good standing argument to scale it higher.
Doubt we can use the statement to scale. It wasn't a concrete answer
 
1. Divine domains don't exist in the black sky. Otherwise Gods wouldn't need the divine gates to come down to earth.

2. Stars for sure reside in the black sky. This was established in volume 6, 9 and 10. Though, I'm curious where you find Shu's statement regarding stars not existing in the worldview and them being divine domains instead. Can you link the QnA or at least qoute this specific statement?

3. Guess it's safe to assume that blue firnament and black firnament operates under two completely different orders. The same as the azure firnament of gods.

4. We also have Shu indirectly confirming that the black firnament operates similar to a 4th dimensional space, possibly 5th. That's already a good standing argument to scale it higher.
How black firna can be a 4th? :eek:
 
2. Stars for sure reside in the black sky. This was established in volume 6, 9 and 10. Though, I'm curious where you find Shu's statement regarding stars not existing in the worldview and them being divine domains instead. Can you link the QnA or at least qoute this specific statement?
He said some starlight are emitted by stars and some leak from divine realm.
 
1. Divine domains don't exist in the black sky. Otherwise Gods wouldn't need the divine gates to come down to earth.
1. I think it is not quite relevant because the domain that is far beyond the sky and unreachable by living beings is called the ‘Dark firmament’ (黒穹 - Koku-kyu), and only the Sky Fortress Zeridheavens can reach it. Furthermore, it is stated that the Sun of Destruction exists amidst the Dark firmament. I also remember that before she was reborn, it was described that 'The light she released illuminated the endless dark of the Dark Firmament, enough to make it seem as though daylight had finally reached this desolate place' Therefore, I don't think it's related. And when she drew the structure of the bubble, it was written that 黒穹に『神々の蒼穹』が描き足される (The 'Azure Sky of the Gods' is added/drawn into the Dark Firmament). So, does the Azure sky (蒼穹 - Soukyuu) exist within the boundaries of the Black sky (黒穹 - Koku-kyu)?
2. Stars for sure reside in the black sky. This was established in volume 6, 9 and 10. Though, I'm curious where you find Shu's statement regarding stars not existing in the worldview and them being divine domains instead. Can you link the QnA or at least qoute this specific statement?
2. Shu mentioned it here https://novelcom.syosetu.com/impression/list/ncode/1011477/?p=303 ,The person who asked, asked about 'star' (星 - Hoshi), not 'planet.' Then Shu replied roughly that ...光を発するもの (something that emits light). In other words, Shu's definition of 'star' doesn't mean what we think it does, but rather 'anything that emits light' That’s why he said there are no planets in the Black sky, which means it is definitely not a 'star' as we know it. (He used the word いわゆる), which I think he is comparing to our 'Real World' not the Mortal world of Maou Gakuin
3. Guess it's safe to assume that blue firnament and black firnament operates under two completely different orders. The same as the azure firnament of gods.
3. Yes, I think it is exactly like that. Anos and Misha said it is under an Order like Silver light, (黒穹には、外へ渡るための銀灯という秩序 が働いている) which is similar to the Great Order of the Chief God. Additionally, we know that <Ji Gavron> was influenced by a Great Order like the Order of 'Bullet'. So, it makes sense based on what I’m thinking
4. We also have Shu indirectly confirming that the black firnament operates similar to a 4th dimensional space, possibly 5th. That's already a good standing argument to scale it higher.
4. Alright, let's consider that if Misha said the Azure sky is within the Black sky, and Shu said the light from the Black sky comes from the Divine Realm, it would be consistent. And since the Sun of Destruction is also in the Black sky, if the Black sky is Low 2-C, that would mean the worlds in Kandaqizorte, which are infinite in number, must also have an infinite number of Black skies. Does this mean the Divine Realm resides within the Black sky? But things related to the Great Order, like the Silver light, are the Orders that the Black sky operates under. Does this mean going outside a Silver Bubble involves using the structure of the Silver light, which is an internal Order of the Black sky and that Black skies also exist in infinity numbers within Kandaqizorte? Shouldn't it be the ‘largest thing’ in the Militia World and other Silver Bubbles? I am just trying to find the logical consistency
 
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4. Alright, let's consider that if Misha said the Azure sky is within the Black sky, and Shu said the light from the Black sky comes from the Divine Realm, it would be consistent. And since the Sun of Destruction is also in the Black sky, if the Black sky is Low 2-C, that would mean the worlds in Kandaqizorte, which are infinite in number, must also have an infinite number of Black skies. Does this mean the Divine Realm resides within the Black sky? But things related to the Great Order, like the Silver light, are the Orders that the Black sky operates under. Does this mean going outside a Silver Bubble involves using the structure of the Silver light, which is an internal Order of the Black sky and that Black skies also exist in infinity numbers within Kandaqizorte? Shouldn't it be the ‘largest thing’ in the Militia World and other Silver Bubbles? I am just trying to find the logical consistency
I apologize for using 'Dark Firmament' and 'Black Sky' interchangeably. I'm not quite used to calling it the 'Dark Firmament' yet. I believe <Ji Gavron> should be able to destroy every Order except for the Great Order of that specific world. Consider that the Silver Light, which is similar to Equis's Gear, exists behind the Black Sky, yet the Black Sky is also a fundamental structure of a typical universe. This implies it exists within Kandaqizorte. Consequently, this would mean that whenever you exit a Silver Bubble, you must reach the Black Sky to utilize the Silver Light and emerge from there even though it is just one structural component of a single universe among an infinity number of universes within Kandaqizorte. Does that actually make sense?
 
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