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Just searched Vector in this thread and yeah, no surprise you thought that. But no, I don't believe it to be that absurd. Though at least I think it should be capable of nuking the whole domain of Anahem and get him the win.
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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
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It's onpar/the same as a past EGA Anos used, like the time Anos used it against Naphta, she was able to stop it going all out so it has a specified limit (being capable of destroying one divine domain and allat, which the rest of the top 10 can do + more)
that being said, I dont think he or Naphta are that far behind the four principles, considering even Naphta was able to clash domains equally with one of them, but yea, you can make a case but I think he'd still be below Anahem
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Bro he is literally one of the characters in the series who Anos respect and acknowledge as his own rival
. The hate is so forced
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A bum respected by another bum, lay is layered bum.Bro he is literally one of the characters in the series who Anos respect and acknowledge as his own rival
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What is bro smoking?
- Anos
- Equis
- Graham/Ceris
- Lay (Physically with La Sencia)/Abernyu and Militia (They've got power & hax)
- Anahem (After being murked by Shin countless times)
- Shin/Vade (Not sure honestly. Shin was mostly skill styling on Anahem but the statement of immeasurable power from Anahem's PoV is still there. Vade murked the 4 principles together)
- Four Principles
- Naphta
- Four Evil Kings/Deidrich/Sylvia & Nate
- Arcana (why is she even here? Her trump card is useless against anyone that isn't a God or isn't using divine power)
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She restricted the future so only the future world was destroyed. Why does that make the EGA Anos used against her had a specified limit?
Anahem has no way to put down Revalschned though.
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What prevents Shin from simply doing a one hit kill on Anahem again? And the Four Evil Kings above Revalschned?
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Eldmed solos all of them. You bums don't know how to rank
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He does? Just don't fight him in the land of traces
He can't. Anahem can't be destroyed unless by some extraordinary means. If you don't have the means to negate his regen nor destroy the withered desert, the best you can do is seal him
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And fight in the Withered Desert instead?
Shin had already destroyed Anahem though.
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Not necessarily. Unlike Revalschned, Anahem doesn't need to be in the withered desert to regenerate
Through the very specific thing I mentioned and he still regenerated afterwards
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Admittedly, I forgot about Anahems amp so my bad on that one, but wdym? Shin already destroyed him for good, as for Arcana, most of the high tiers are gods so six flowers is still gonna be effective and even without that, she still has Leviangilma, do I need to explain how OP that shi is?
As for Vade, I put him below since he could still handle each god individually (though probably not the amped version of Anahem) and the only reason he was able to beat the four principles at once was because their order/cogs was actively interfering with them, Besides that, I dont see much differences
Ngl, reread the section, you might as well be right, Anos also seemed confident it would be able to destroy the world (same with the EGA Revalshned cast)
anyways, might remake the list later since it was made in a short amount of time and wasnt given much thought
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After Anos destroyed the Land of Traces and killed Revalschned with Leviangilma, he said, "The God of Traces couldn't avoid death against the sword that possessed Genedonov's power, the order that opposed order." Implying Revalschned could otherwise, so his immortality which was tied to the past still worked even if he wasn't in the Land of Traces.
He did not regenerate afterwards on his own. He was dead, literally. Misha revived him when she recreated the world.
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Not true. LOT is literally just one of his Immortalities. Even without that his past based immorality still worked just fine.
In the Web Novel Anos got rid of it by destroying him in every point in time using Levinegilma and in the Light Novel he did it so by using Gendovove's authority in the form of Levinegilma.
I agree with this. Nothing suggests Anahem Regenerated by himself.
In fact it's pretty clear Misha re-created all the destroyed gods using the Lunar Eclipse and love.
Volume 13 also makes it clear they were reborn along with the world rather than Regenerating.
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Ze
Zepes solos all. He didn't even use 0.000000001% of his power yet
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No, all gods in general have immortality other than specific one's that come from a particular order. That's what Anos was referring to otherwise a God can't be destroyed and won't die from such an injury. Genedov's power can negate the general immortality all gods possess, that's all there is to it. The WN made Reval and Leviangilma more cracked though so you will be correct if you were remembering it from there.
No, all Gods destroyed during and after the selection trial became a part of Equis. Once defeated while under Equis control, they rebelled against him. Misha didn't revive them, she recreated Equis which in turn freed the gods from him and they all regenerated afterwards
This is only the case with the LoT in play which is literally why Anos chose to nuke it.
Doesn't apply anymore since it was changed in the LN. I even mentioned it above.
Eldemade kind of argument. Even with the order of creation, it is impossible to create the same exact individual but it was the same exact gods that came back. Anahem and all gods regenerated by themselves once they were freed from Equis. The only thing Misha did was recreate the world, replenish it's magic and fire dew. The narration literally states that they were reborn not resurrected. You mean to tell me Misha in all her kindness didn't deem it fit to bring back everyone else who died?
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If that's the case Vebzud + mauve Magic Eyes would have been enough. Leviangilma was just overkill. Given what was said in the WN version and Anos's remark above, it's more likely to be an immortality that was different than the normal one all gods possess.
I phrased it poorly then, and we also weren't on the same page. Alright, by that line of thinking, Anahem did reborn on his own upon the reincarnation of the new world. Though what I intended to mean was that he didn't regenerate on his own in his fight against Shin.
This comment of yours implied that after Shin had destroyed Anahem, the latter was still able to regenerate back like he always did. He died in his fight against Shin. No coming back untill Misha recreated the world was what I meant.
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Anos stomped last time
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I doubt that's so, we can't claim it was something special without some implication. Revalschned probably has a special immortality from the order of traces like Naphta, but we weren't given anything concrete
He wouldn't have been able to while Equis was still around. All destroyed gods became a part of Equis including Anahem however once they were defeated, they began to rebel against him which stopped him from using their powers. They couldn't have regenerated while they were still a part of him
That wasn't what I was implying though my headcanon is that by experiencing deepening once, Anahem shouldn't be able to be killed in that manner anymore
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Saying he had another type of immortality falls under the "we can't claim something without implication" though. As the guy above said, in the WN version Anos used Leviangilma to kill Revalschned outside of the Land of Traces with the explanation that the sword possessed the ability to erase someone in every point in time. The LN version also had Anos used Leviangilma, though with the explanation changed to that Revalschned couldn't avoid death against the the sword that possessed Genedonov's power. It's just the difference in the explainations to me.
He had already regenerated by himself countless times already though. It's just that once Shin knew how to guide Anahem's source to where his order of demise couldn't regenerate him in the Withered Desert, it's over. The Withered Desert has a part where Anahem's order couldn't reach. Bringing his source there was what Shin did to destroy him completely.
What he had experienced wasn't deepening, but somewhere between that and demise. It's where the source overcomes its ruin by releasing its power upon getting close to destruction. It's where depth and demise overlapped. Dilfred couldn't see this part with his superior Divine Eyes because demise overpowers depth. Anahem didn't posses the Divine Eyes to see its abyss in the first place.
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That's explicitly not true. Nothing suggests his immorality is only tied to LOT.
After being destroyed he is reassurected inside the Land of Traces is true and that's why Anos chose to nuke it. Why would that prove that it is limited to only that?
It literally changes nothing. In LN it just means Levinegilma has immorality negation.
The novel clearly states several times that Revalshned is the past of everything in existence, thus he can't be destroyed. Because even if you destroy him in the present, the truth that he existed will never change, thus he can come back as much as he wants. Does destroying LoT affect the past that he existed? Unless proven otherwise, then no.
So anos literally had to get past it by Gendovove's authority. Why would the narration tell you that he can't avoid death against Gendovove (a Goddess that opposes order thus negs order based immorality) if he wasn't immoral?
Stated where? (Ignoring the part that Altiertonoa has shown the ability to perfectly Recreate people already) She is the one who created all the gods with this same power. I can't see why she can't do it again. Being reborn is point against you, you know? The world is also stated to be reborn. Does that mean it regenerated? And not re-created?
Yes, she in fact could not bring everyone one. As explained in volume 11 as long as order exists goddess of creation will be influenced by the order of the world she created even without Equis' control. She can't do whatever she pleases, like making everyone immoral for example. The dead are already dead.
But in case of Gods, their order still existed even after their death as long as Equis was around. So reacreating them wasn't a violation of order.
What you're claiming kinda goes against the entire point of his Immorality. Anahem can't affect the area between death and deepening, so forcing him towards this unknown kind of demise is a way to permanently destroy him. If he could still reassurect from it, the weakness literally has no point and it implies his order can affect the stage between death and deepening.
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I was just admitting that you had a point there but having no implications of it still stands so we can't claim that he does. The WN version made it explicit and made gave Levaingilma conceptual history erasure with each attack. The LN on the other hand made it less explicit if not zero implications at all to just making the sword have the ability to negate the general immortality of the gods.
"Revalschned couldn't avoid death against the the sword that possessed Genedonov's power" nothing here implies a greater form of immortality for him without looking at the WN. Naphta has the statement of needing to destroy every future where she exists to destroy her, Abernyu is unable to be destroyed by virtue of being destruction/ the end already, Anahem has no end and cannot perish in the same manner etc
Under Equis's control. The gods that became part of Equis needed to be defeated first before they could rebel against his control. Context is necessary. Anahem's immortality isn't solely reliant on the withered desert. Like every other god he still has other forms. Shin didn't guide his source to where demise couldn't regenerate him, Shin just slashed his source in such a way that his power would increase (deepening) rather than be destroyed and Anahem's eyes cannot see into depths so this was unfamiliar to him. It's said that should this be done to anyone else, their power would increase and they would overcome destruction successfully. It's just a skill issue for Anahem based on how their order works. Gods still have natural regen and resurrection which Shin didn't negate.
No, it's still deepening. The line between depth and demise is blurred and Anahem can only overcome destruction through demise. He has a skill issue that blinds him when it comes to normal deepening.
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Didn't say it was a greater form. I said it was the same one as we had already seen of him.
"All it is is that there's a place in the midst of demise that you don't control."
"There was a place between Nature's Keep and the Withered Desert where the firedew was being stolen-the place where depth overlapped with demise. It was an area that Anahem's control couldn't reach, the place where the light of a dying flame could overcome the darkness itself. Leading one's source there was the only way of leading the God of Demise to an unknown demise.
"Altocorasta was a sword that could slash an enemy's source to the brink of destruction and force it to overcome its ruin. Against a normal enemy, it would only cause the enemy's magic power to increase, but to the God of Demise, it was the only way to truly destroy him."
"The fourth hidden art of the God Slasher Gneodoros had allowed Shin to observe the abyss of Anahem's source as it perished multiple times and eventually discover that vulnerability. Even though he had never set foot in Da Qu Kadarte itself, through one battle with the immortal God of Demise, he was able to identify Anahem's only weakness."
So Gods' natural regen and resurrection > Anahem's immortality based on his order of demise?
If you destroy your opponent only venerability and weakness and it still isn't enough to put them down then that's hardly the only venerability and weakness.
And we have to go fix Shin's profile real quick because it's clearly stated otherwise.
It's both depth and demise actually.
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Because we saw him be destroyed immediately outside the LoT?
It changes everything cause the sword loses standard history erasure without it. I'll concede on the other though cause that is true but in that case, Levaingilma needs to be given history erasure again.
Yes, the LoT is the container holding the worlds past which is why destroying it destroys that past too because we literally saw it happen. Anos opts to destroy it because without it Revalschned and Golroana won't be immortal anymore and it worked out that way no less. Did you think this one through? Anos could've literally just destroyed him in the WN without the need to nuke the LoT in the scenario you are painting
Because simple bisection would not kill a god. Even without the LoT, as a God, Revalschned is still immortal. You are using Arcana's power as a means t justify both an extra immortality as well as her power as well which is circular. Without this feat, Genedonov's power in a vacuum does not negate a God's immortality.
Omfg!!! Vector, you are begging me to cook you at this point. From the very first volume, we are told that it is impossible
In volume 3, we find out that even the Zeshia's aren't the same individual, they are all a different person whose sources though alike have unique differences that even Anos's eyes cannot see.
Volume 5, Arcana with the very same order of recreation you are prattling on about, couldn't bring back someone who had already been destroyed, neither could she create the exact same person. It ended up being someone with the same looks, memories, identical source, similar magic wavelengths but still a completely different individual
Anos even says no God can do it and the one god he is familiar with is Militia/Misha. To even create an identical individual, Arcana had to distort the order of creation. You are ignoring the plot, context as well as the struggles of the characters in favor of an agenda that isn't supported by any of these things.
I know I've cooked you over this before as well. You are taking an unrelated variable and applying it to an equation where it has no business being. That was never mentioned as the reason she couldn't bring back those that died or were destroyed. It served to show that the GoC is influenced by the world she created. "There have been multiple creator gods so what influenced and gave rise to the primordial creator goddess?" this is what that question was leading to. It was to show order existed even before the very first order of creation. This order gave rise to the goddess of creation who would then create order and the world, would influence the world she creates so enough of this BS. I expect such arguments from elde not from you.
An unrelated matter entirely. It isn't a question of violating order, it is simply impossible. Gods are order, are born from and made from order but order is not a god. Otherwise, we'd have the exact same god in every world in the silver sea. Gods are simply immortal and regardless of how long it's been since they were dead or destroyed, can come back. The sources of mortals on the other hand after 3 seconds begin deteriorating and every .1s lowers chances of a successful revival by 1:100 million. Recreating Equis freed the Gods from him which allowed them to regenerate/resurrect immediately to uphold world stability. Because the world will be destroyed instantly if so many orders were not being maintained at the same time and in line with this, the 4 Principles were the first to come back.
It doesn't. It's never said that Anahem cannot affect it. It is demise but also deepening. Demise conquers depth, depth on the other hand cannot hinder demise so he can affect it, the problem is that he doesn't have the divine eyes to see into the depths. Y'all are unusually ignoring context clues for some reason. It's the same way no god can see into the depth of the Divine realm (where deepening and demise overlap) but by casting off their divinity and overcoming destruction multiple time, Sasha and Misha were able to. If Anahem were able to see into the depths, this wouldn't be a weakness for him. Anyone can share their eyes with him like Anos did for Dilfred to see into the depths of the withered desert for him to see how to overcome demise in this form.
Like I already said, it's less of a weakness and more of a skill issue. The only order that can actually hinder Anahem is Change
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I didn't mean "greater" literally. "Separate/unique" would've been the better word to use I guess.
Emphasis on "unknown demise". He doesn't have eyes that can see into the depths which was stated previously. Context matters, in the cycle of life, demise overcomes depth so depth cannot hinder demise. He just lacks the eyes to see into it. Give him any other pair of eyes and it would cease to be an issue
It's not and Gneodoros couldn't permanently put down Anahem so I don't get what the point of this is. Did you mean vulnerability? Fix Shin in what way?
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Time to ban Breeze too
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Alright. Again, I meant the same one.
So it's an issue if he has his own eyes. He still has this weakness then.
Yeah, because Gneodoros was incapable of slashing an enemy's source to the brink of destruction to bypass Anahem's immortality.
You said Shin couldn't negate Gods' natural regen and resurrection. The profile say he could.
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Anahem is the god actively known for their immortality specs and gods not instantly 'dying' from god-killing/slashing weapons has been shown before, this is not different, it's more an 'immortality upscale' than anything else
Shin can still neg gods though because that's his weapons (gneodoros) literal gimmick, it got both nousgalia and arcana with it's hidden art
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No it did. Gneodoros destroyed him multiple times, Anahem just has busted reactive evolution that he eventually adapted to it. The swords feats of killing gods don't become invalidated just because some gods are broken. The profile also establishes that it negates the regen of the likes of divine beasts, it's secrets will negate that of keepers but the Gods themselves are resistant to it.
The God Slaying Sword has it not Shin himeslf
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It did what? I said Gneodoros couldn't slash an enemy's source to the brink of destruction to truly destroy Anahem like Altocorasta. When did Gneodoros do so?
Wasn't that the Withered Desert based immortality? Gneodoros couldn't bypass that so obviously it failed to kill Anahem.
When did it say gods are resistant to it? I might actually forget this tbh.
So you meant bare-handed Shin couldn't negate Gods' regen?
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That's because whenever he dies he would regenerate in the Withered Desert, no?
Which one?
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Gneodoros destroyed his source multiple times but his immortality via the withered desert is too busted for the sword to negate.
Anahem gains resistance to what previously killed him. Towards the end, Altocorasta could no longer destroy him, two of Gneodoros hidden arts being used simultaneously became meaningless
It doesn't need to be stated. Author can't spoon feed us everything so we gotta look at it ourselves.
Gneodoros killed the divine beasts. Shin can kill keepers like Eugo La Raviaz likely using Gneodoros hidden arts. Hidden arts unleash the true power of a weapon and are more powerful than it's base abilities. Gneodoros hidden arts couldn't immediately destroy Nosgalia and Arcana, they could still regenerate after some time.
Not necessarily bare handed. He doesn't have passive/active regen neg on the level of gods. He needs the God Slasher (Gneodoros) for that, the other is himself as a demon sword but shin is a demon right now so he would need to return to being a sword to have that power
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Can fire dew be scaled as the primordial energy of the sea since the strength of the world's concepts depend on how much dew it has. So shouldn't fire dew transcend all concepts?
Also noah is said to be unbound by all order of the sea and he is made of pure fire dew.
Also acausality type 5 noah maybe?!?!
Also noah is said to be unbound by all order of the sea and he is made of pure fire dew.
Also acausality type 5 noah maybe?!?!
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That's what I was saying.
Because he was getting stronger physically to the point he could ignore Shin's superior skill. This was clearly stated.
Yeah, but the third hidden art of Gneodoros could continue to divide the Gods' sources untill there's nothing to divide. But before the final results of the hidden art could have been realized some things always got in the ways. For Arcana, her followers sacrificed themselves to boost her power and Nosgalia, Shin decides to seal him with Eilarrow.
So he did have regen neg on the level of gods.
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This is taking too long and I'm starting to lose interest now. Let's just wrap it up.
Shin managed to truly destroy Anahem. It was stated so, and the explanation couldn't be clearer. In fact I had a hard time believing you actually disagreed with this. I thougt I was getting trolled. But here we are.
So, could you get me a statement or explanation or whatever that suggests Anahem was capable of regenerating back after Shin had dealt the final blow? A concrete one, please. As clear as the "Shin had truly destroyed Anahem by aiming at his only weakness."
Shin managed to truly destroy Anahem. It was stated so, and the explanation couldn't be clearer. In fact I had a hard time believing you actually disagreed with this. I thougt I was getting trolled. But here we are.
So, could you get me a statement or explanation or whatever that suggests Anahem was capable of regenerating back after Shin had dealt the final blow? A concrete one, please. As clear as the "Shin had truly destroyed Anahem by aiming at his only weakness."
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