[7-7-0] Soon as he stepped in he lit the room - Aoi Todo vs Dagon

[Nonynho]

When i told Todo that his tasteless bro's bro was going to be beaten up in Shibuya, he switched places with him and his weird ass friends and stepped in to fight this red weird octopus sad thingy

-Fight is in Shibuya, on the metro station
-Maki told Todo to keep the Playful Cloud; he's in his first key


Buff guy with enormous heart- @Anonymous_Learner, @Nonynho, @Rex_Eckles, @BlackDarkness679, @Bimbitesthedust, @Pyro9278, @Jackythejack

Octopus-like Curse that loves its friends- @Mommyleona, @Aytugsss, @LaserPrecision, @Arkenis, @Rodriiogo, @DarkLock92, @ElJoaki5

Incon-

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

following for todo peak

 

[Mommyleona]

Dagon domain diffs

 

[Nonynho]

following for todo peak

y'told us what's ur type in men, now what's ur type in women? >.>

any inputs, rn?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

y'told us what's ur type in men

i have no such thing

now what's ur type in women? >.>

In JJK? Yuki and OG Body Yorozu

any inputs, rn?

hmm. I don't really remember what Cursed Womb dagon's feats do but, iirc correctly, Nanami and naobito were putting him through the wringers so i feel that, due to debilitating Todo's cursed techniique is, how he can just swap around with Dagon's water, and todo's iq, i think he might be able to kill him before he evolves, especially since he has playful cloud.
If he evolves, well...They're relative in terms of speed but Dagon can tank overtime nanami hits in this form. even if we wanna say that Playful cloud makes up the difference and everything goes extremely well for todo, Dagon'll pop his domaind. and, while it is shown to us in Shibuya that Todo has simple domain, it simply isn't enough and, once it breaks, it's over since dagon was able to greatly injure Nanami, someone with stat higher than todo's, while only using focusing 30% of the domain's power on him, meaning he gets fried.

 

[ShionAH]

Unfortunate domain diff

 

[Nonynho]

Unfortunate domain diff

Dagon ain't got no surefire effect on it, does he?
Even if so, Simple Domain is a common practice by him, which gg's that quite easily, even more so because of Boogie Woogie, just switching him around with the thingys Dagon's shooting

hmm. I don't really remember what Cursed Womb dagon's feats do but, iirc correctly, Nanami and naobito were putting him through the wringers so i feel that, due to debilitating Todo's cursed techniique is, how he can just swap around with Dagon's water, and todo's iq, i think he might be able to kill him before he evolves, especially since he has playful cloud.
If he evolves, well...They're relative in terms of speed but Dagon can tank overtime nanami hits in this form. even if we wanna say that Playful cloud makes up the difference and everything goes extremely well for todo, Dagon'll pop his domaind. and, while it is shown to us in Shibuya that Todo has simple domain, it simply isn't enough and, once it breaks, it's over since dagon was able to greatly injure Nanami, someone with stat higher than todo's, while only using focusing 30% of the domain's power on him, meaning he gets fried.

I also think it is a high possibility that Todo only has to deal with pre-evolving Dagon
But even if he can evolve, it is very unlikely that Dagon'll be able to properly deal with Todo's simple domain and finish Todo up because Boogie Woogie should be heavily countering his technique, since he'll just change places up with the creatures shot at him. Firmly believe that even that restraining-underwater-snake (if Todo ever gets underwater, that is), could stop him from just getting Dagon in its place and another PC hit in.

Speaking about PC, i think that Todo's output should be slightly above Naobito's, because his regular hits are definetely in the same realm as those Class 1 fellas (as he himself is also a well-regarded Class 1) and PC is a buff that can put him, according to himself, at his 120%

 

[ShionAH]

Todo can’t swap his way out of surehit, even if it is shikigami dawg…

Simple domain works but Dagon has good refinement, unfortunately it only buys time

 

[Nonynho]

Todo can’t swap his way out of surehit, even if it is shikigami dawg…

Simple domain works but Dagon has good refinement, unfortunately it only buys time

It buys time for one of the most competent fighters in the verse with higher output than Nanami and Naobito, who were causing damage to Dagon... And then Boogie Woogie enters the conversation lol

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I'm voting for todo only because i think todo can kill dagon before he evolves

 

[Nonynho]

me watching @Anonymous_Learner vote:

(For moderation purposes: the character in the comic is only comically and dramatically asking if he can already open the beer can to comemorate)

 

[Nonynho]

added @Anonymous_Learner's vote with my own, FRA

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

me watching @Anonymous_Learner vote:

(For moderation purposes: the character in the comic is only comically and dramatically asking if he can already open the beer can to comemorate)

yee, open the beer

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I got excited when I read Dagon but disappointed when it wasn't the Mortal Kombat guy


As far as I'm concerned, Todo FRA.

 

[Aytugsss]

Dagon should be able to win this matchup.
All characters who fight dagon (expect toji)are at the same level as todo ( even if not same level they should be close) and naobito who is the fastest sorcerer at that time( expect gojo)
Cant do anything to dagon and loose almost no diff and even after megumis entrance their only change is excape from domain which is they likely fail. So todo cant win this match up and its easy fight for dagon
Dagon FRA

 

[ShionAH]

with higher output than Nanami

What? Todo does not hit as hard as Nanami, at all

 

[Mommyleona]

wait Dagon doesn't have 2 keys...

 

[Nonynho]

What? Todo does not hit as hard as Nanami, at all

i swear i have no clue of what makes you think like this

Dagon should be able to win this matchup.
All characters who fight dagon (expect toji)are at the same level as todo ( even if not same level they should be close) and naobito who is the fastest sorcerer at that time( expect gojo)
Cant do anything to dagon and loose almost no diff and even after megumis entrance their only change is excape from domain which is they likely fail. So todo cant win this match up and its easy fight for dagon
Dagon FRA

Dagon was willing to use his power to neutralize naobito because of his sheer speed but guess what is stopping him from doing this to Todo? Boogie Woogie.
If you say that any of them can't do anything with the Playful Cloud in hand i gotta ask for evidence of such

 

[Aytugsss]

i swear i have no clue of what makes you think like this


Dagon was willing to use his power to neutralize naobito because of his sheer speed but guess what is stopping him from doing this to Todo? Boogie Woogie.
If you say that any of them can't do anything with the Playful Cloud in hand i gotta ask for evidence of such

So you are telling me that todo use his boogie woogie constantly? İ dont think that would be enough,how can he fight back and damage dagon when dodging countless attacks?

 

[Nonynho]

So you are telling me that todo use his boogie woogie constantly?

yeah...?
And as his technique is based on changing places with something with CE, basically all of Dagon's attacks can have Todo just Boogie Woogie'ing him outta the way, putting Dagon on the way of his move or changing places with the closest to him and beat his ass.
And if Dagon counters this up-close-CQC line, Todo can just dodge the counter by using Boogie Woogie to one of the Shikigamis he dodged and TP back at his face.

Todo is Dagon's hard counter and has more than enough skill to put him down. Even in the second form, but as @Anonymous_Learner said, it is likely that he beats his ass even before he transforms

,how can he fight back and damage dagon when dodging countless attacks?

boogie woogie > attacks > boogie woogie > attacks

basically Dagon'll get the Hanami treatment, but as Dagon's spamming CE-imbued attacks, instead of switching with Yuji, he'll be switching with Dagon's Shikigamis

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Todo expands his domain of FRAs

 

[Nonynho]

Todo expands his domain of FRAs

lmfao

 

[ShionAH]

i swear i have no clue of what makes you think like this

Ino said Shibuya Yuji = Nanami in Striking. Who is >> Goodwill Yuji who hits as hard or harder than Todo.

 

[Nonynho]

Ino said Shibuya Yuji = Nanami in Striking. Who is >> Goodwill Yuji who hits as hard or harder than Todo.

don't think this is enough indication that it (Todo ≤ Nanami)= Not True
Which is what i've been defending because Todo should hit as hard as those top tier Grade 1s, being one himself, and has Playful Cloud, granting him a huge buff
Todo ≤ Nanami < Todo+PC

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

ain't this shibuya todo anyways, who's equal to Yuji in shibuya?

 

[ShionAH]

who's equal to Yuji in shibuya?

Where did you get that? Todo was healthy when he joined, Itadori wasn’t at all

don't think this is enough indication that it

How? Nanami = Shibuya Yuji > GW Yuji >= Todo.

He probably does hit harder with Playful Cloud

 

[Nonynho]

He probably does hit harder with Playful Cloud

i've been saying that for like 2 days

 

[ShionAH]

Todo ≤ Nanami < Todo+PC

I can SEE the = under it dawg, you can’t gaslight me

 

[Nonynho]

I can SEE the = under it dawg, you can’t gaslight me

mf looking like the typical jjk fan

Speaking about PC, i think that Todo's output should be slightly above Naobito's, because his regular hits are definetely in the same realm as those Class 1 fellas (as he himself is also a well-regarded Class 1) and PC is a buff

the part about 120% was a misread of mine but the idea is there

 

[Aytugsss]

yeah...?
And as his technique is based on changing places with something with CE, basically all of Dagon's attacks can have Todo just Boogie Woogie'ing him outta the way, putting Dagon on the way of his move or changing places with the closest to him and beat his ass.
And if Dagon counters this up-close-CQC line, Todo can just dodge the counter by using Boogie Woogie to one of the Shikigamis he dodged and TP back at his face.

Todo is Dagon's hard counter and has more than enough skill to put him down. Even in the second form, but as @Anonymous_Learner said, it is likely that he beats his ass even before he transforms


boogie woogie > attacks > boogie woogie > attacks

basically Dagon'll get the Hanami treatment, but as Dagon's spamming CE-imbued attacks, instead of switching with Yuji, he'll be switching with Dagon's Shikigamis

But how he can able to avoid surehit?
İ dont think he can avoid it with h.w
And simple domain wont enough because dagon can just punch him like he did to naobito

 

[Nonynho]

But how he can able to avoid surehit?
İ dont think he can avoid it with h.w
And simple domain wont enough because dagon can just punch him like he did to naobito

Feels weird to answer like that but
for Dagon to punch and take Todo's simple domain's off, he'll have to hit Todo with the punch
with he won't because of Boogie Woogie.

See Hanami's fight as an example, as he went out of that without taking hits, basically, and that was him not taking s* that much seriously and even teaching Yuji in the middle of the process

 

[ShionAH]

On a 1 on 1, Dagon would adapt to Boogie Woogie like Mahito and Hanami were doing

I am not sure if he can consistently boogie woogie during simple domain and even then it would only buy time till it breaks and Dagon wins

 

[Nonynho]

On a 1 on 1, Dagon would adapt to Boogie Woogie like Mahito and Hanami were doing

I am not sure if he can consistently boogie woogie during simple domain and even then it would only buy time till it breaks and Dagon wins

First problem is that Dagon's not starting this fight transformed, and Todo's not joking around, already with PC in hand

Dagon's also not always using the surefire effect, and adapting to Boogie Woogie then taking time to calculate when to use the surefire effect without just getting s* negged by Simple Domain is, as i already said, taking time. a lot of it.
And if your strategy needs time to work properly against one making a lot of pressure like Todo does... you're cooked.

We should also keep in mind that we're dimensionating how would we use boogie woogie, but Todo is remarkably creative, focused and skilled, so he should be making use of it quite far from what we're talking here

 

[ShionAH]

Dagon has one key, which is birthed form. So no there isn’t need.

He can keep his surehit on (why would he ever close it) and attack Todo. He cannot clap effectively during SD nor can he stop Dagon from adapting to it quickly.

I disagree with the way all of your JJK threads are going ngl, I feel like you heavily underestimate the other side in every matchup. I wont say anything else and leave it to others.

 

[Aytugsss]

First problem is that Dagon's not starting this fight transformed, and Todo's not joking around, already with PC in hand

Dagon's also not always using the surefire effect, and adapting to Boogie Woogie then taking time to calculate when to use the surefire effect without just getting s* negged by Simple Domain is, as i already said, taking time. a lot of it.
And if your strategy needs time to work properly against one making a lot of pressure like Todo does... you're cooked.

We should also keep in mind that we're dimensionating how would we use boogie woogie, but Todo is remarkably creative, focused and skilled, so he should be making use of it quite far from what we're talking here

We should also think that how todo can kill dagon when he through all of things we debated
Since im still not sure todo can avoid endless attacks but i leave that aside right now

 

[Nonynho]

I wont say anything else and leave it to others.

I feel like the lack of interest in talking to me about it, when i clearly speak a whole lot shows quite a bit. Thought there was mutual well-regarding here.
You do you, be at peace.

We should also think that how todo can kill dagon when he through all of things we debated
Since im still not sure todo can avoid endless attacks but i leave that aside right now

may i ask you to try speaking again? i couldn't understand what you're saying, sorry.

 

[Aytugsss]

I feel like the lack of interest in talking to me about it, when i clearly speak a whole lot shows quite a bit. Thought there was mutual well-regarding here.
You do you, be at peace.


may i ask you to try speaking again? i couldn't understand what you're saying, sorry.

İ mean how could aoi todo can damage dagon and kill him. Because he needs to defend himself from countless attack then start to counter attack.
İ dont really think he could avoid all of attacks but im leaving this aside.

 

[Nonynho]

İ mean how could aoi todo can damage dagon and kill him. Because he needs to defend himself from countless attack then start to counter attack.
İ dont really think he could avoid all of attacks but im leaving this aside.

using Simple Domain reduces the effectiveness of Boogie Woogie but does not make it none. So he can defend himself using not only the power that is the most effective against the sure-fire effect of some domains, but also his power, the most difficult to adapt to mechanism of defense and counter-attacking (and different from others, like Naobito's technique for example, has no cost if used interchangeably), the same one that people that scale to him - Mahito and Hanami - had a lot of trouble reacting to.
The problem of Dagon here is that Boogie Woogie directly counters his stuff and, again, Simple Domain not making Todo unable to perform Boogie Woogie

 

[Aytugsss]

using Simple Domain reduces the effectiveness of Boogie Woogie but does not make it none. So he can defend himself using not only the power that is the most effective against the sure-fire effect of some domains, but also his power, the most difficult to adapt to mechanism of defense and counter-attacking (and different from others, like Naobito's technique for example, has no cost if used interchangeably), the same one that people that scale to him - Mahito and Hanami - had a lot of trouble reacting to.
The problem of Dagon here is that Boogie Woogie directly counters his stuff and, again, Simple Domain not making Todo unable to perform Boogie Woogie

Thats not aswers my question
How can todo kill dagon (in final form)

 

[Nonynho]

Thats not aswers my question
How can todo kill dagon (in final form)

beating the s* outta him..? idk what are you aiming towards with this question