Dust Sans a remastered

[Oikarian]

I noticed that the canonical Murder in that 9-B fandom is because of Sans undertale, although these are different universes, because we can't compare Archie Sonic and the game Sonic, in the same case, and Dust Sans and Undertale Sans himself, because different authors and never mentioned that they are related. Canon is like UTF giving Insanity the island level. Yes, it sounds strange, but different authors give different levels. This is an example of UTF.


https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Oikarian/Dusttale_(canon)_-_scaling

Strength, AP and DC: High 8-C Large Building level and with karma From High 8-C Large Building level to High 3-A: High Universe level (It depends on the number of sins)

Durability: High 8-C Large Building level

Speed: Subsonic

Abilities, hax and weapons: Gaster blaster, magic bones, teleport, telekines, knife, bone weapons (spears, tridents of any shape), conditional regeneration, coffee, chemicals, poison and traps.

IQ and intelligence: gifted

Potential: High 3-A: High Universe level (LV can grow infinitely)

Cosmology hax: Low 2-C: Universe level+ (If Dust Sans dies, the universe will be erased)



(If possible, please delete the previous forum of Dust, since I added it as a vs battle not in FC OC)

 

[Soupywolf5]

I noticed that the canonical Murder in that 9-B fandom is because of Sans undertale, although these are different universes, because we can't compare Archie Sonic and the game Sonic, in the same case, and Dust Sans and Undertale Sans himself, because different authors and never mentioned that they are related. Canon is like UTF giving Insanity the island level. Yes, it sounds strange, but different authors give different levels. This is an example of UTF.

While I think I'm harsher on fanon-canon scaling than most (My opinion on when it should/can be used is "basically never") the profile's only reasoning for such is just "he should be comparable," so I agree with axing any stats that come from scaling to canon Sans. (And, while it wasn't proposed here, some abilities like genius intelligence, info analysis, clairvoyance & soul/heat/radiation resistance, which are entirely explained as "canon Sans did a thing" should go too, monster physiology probably should be removed too, since we can't actually say that Dusttale's interpretation of monsters' physiology is the exact same as in canon. There's also soul manipulation/absorption whose sole evidence is a now defunct Discord image) That being said, I take issue with quite a few of the proposed replacements, the section on canonicity stuff seems fine, "semi-official" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the novels' usability, so in lieu of any further elaboration, we should just keep them out

High 8-C​

Even if this wasn't a leading question, (Which we don't use) the answer doesn't remotely imply the conclusion you came too, Calv's response of "I've never thought about it, he's not interested in breaking buildings" doesn't mean Sans can break buildings, it means the creator doesn't care about the

High 3-A Karma​

Just like before, Calv's answer of "I never thought about that" isn't a good enough answer to derive anything from, furthermore saying "karma damage increases with sin therefore High 3-A" is a massive NLF. We're never shown that karma can operate at such a high level

High 8-C Dura​

I already explained why I disagree with High 8-C AP, but in regard to this section, since Sans fights with magic, we don't actually have any reason to scale his magic attacks to his own durability (I know canon Undertale's established its magic as a UES recently, but that wouldn't apply here for the same reasons canon Sans' stats and abilities wouldn't)

Stealth/Speed​

I'm not sure why you think this would require/prove Sans having Stealth mastery/Subsonic speed? Attacking someone before they can take action against you doesn't require either, "before they can take action" doesn't necessarily mean Sans is going to be blitzing Asgore and killing him before he can react, at best it'd just mean Sans can scale to Dusttale Asgore in speed (I don't really know what that's worth)

Low 2-C/Immeasurable​

The wording of the original question "Deletes the timeline and throws Sans to another AU" makes it clear Sans isn't actually withstanding anything here, but rather was just deliberately not targeted, meaning he wouldn't need EE resistance or Low 2-C dura. "Trying to get back to the original timeline" in no way implies Sans can move in places where time and space are absent (And that wouldn't even be Immeasurable anyway) it just means Sans is trying to get back from whatever timeline he got punted to, (And the default assumption about timelines is that they do, in fact, have time and space in them) not to mention this would be a gargantuan outlier even if it was legit

IQ​

The book question, which once again is answered with an unsure "I think," made even worse by Calv spelling out that they're unsure of their answer. Additionally, you've either cropped out some other answer here or you're somehow extrapolating "I think he'd like reading books" into "Sans figured out who the Player is and analyzed & figured out how resets work." I don't think I need to explain that those are wholly unrelated

BIQ​

Setting traps is only an Average intelligence feat, since we have no idea what kind of traps he'd set, "as good at close combat as the human" is also pretty vague, since we don't know how good at melee combat the human/Dusttale Frisk (I'm assuming that's who this question is referring to) is

Acausality​

Fine, (He actually already has this) but since it's only retaining memories it'd only be "limited Acausality"

Attacks​

Based solely on this post, we have no reason to believe Dusttale Sans has access to any of the things you're claiming he can use, (Dusttale Sans already has Telekinesis alongside Gravity Manipulation, but given this post spells out that he's manipulating gravity the former should probably be removed) Calv mentions Sans' ability to use bones and gaster blasters in later posts, but if there's nothing official indicating he do such, we shouldn't just assume he can teleport. You're reasoning for including the former but not others are also entirely arbitrary and based only on how you think Calv would respond, which isn't how this works

Arsenal​

"He's used a knife once or twice" is at best grounds for optional equipment, I think the question about bones (Which the profile currently uses as evidence of Power Mimicry, which isn't how that ability works) would probably qualify as a leading question too (It's not even phrased as a question, it just says "he could do this")

Poison/Chemicals​

"You can give him any kind of trap, no matter what"

Uh, no, that's not how that works. Calv makes it clear they haven't given any thought to this kind of thing (Asking "really?" to the question mentioning other versions of the character doing so and the reasoning for such) and yet another "I think" response, which in this case is only in relation to other stories that make him do such, this shouldn't be used as evidence that the "official" dusttale Sans does anything with poison or chemicals (And even if he did we have no idea what kind or what he uses them for)

Coffee​

Another "maybe," this would at best be optional equipment, and realistically shouldn't be used at all

NPI​

Probably fine and better as evidence then "canon did a thing"

Potential​

Another leading question, your conclusion of lv having no limit and thus Sans being High 3-A is entirely unsubstantiated and, like with karma, a massive NLF

Cosmology​

Given the question's been cropped out I can't exactly say how legit this one is. (And I'm pretty sure that also means we wouldn't be able to use this) We have no reason to say the game crashing (Which itself is only a possibility, seeing as Calv says the game could crash) is equivalent to the destruction of the entire timeline, there's also no evidence in this post that this doesn't apply to anyone else. This would at best be some weird untierable Enviornmental Destruction

 

[Oikarian]

While I think I'm harsher on fanon-canon scaling than most (My opinion on when it should/can be used is "basically never") the profile's only reasoning for such is just "he should be comparable," so I agree with axing any stats that come from scaling to canon Sans. (And, while it wasn't proposed here, some abilities like genius intelligence, info analysis, clairvoyance & soul/heat/radiation resistance, which are entirely explained as "canon Sans did a thing" should go too, monster physiology probably should be removed too, since we can't actually say that Dusttale's interpretation of monsters' physiology is the exact same as in canon. There's also soul manipulation/absorption whose sole evidence is a now defunct Discord image) That being said, I take issue with quite a few of the proposed replacements, the section on canonicity stuff seems fine, "semi-official" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the novels' usability, so in lieu of any further elaboration, we should just keep them out

High 8-C​

Even if this wasn't a leading question, (Which we don't use) the answer doesn't remotely imply the conclusion you came too, Calv's response of "I've never thought about it, he's not interested in breaking buildings" doesn't mean Sans can break buildings, it means the creator doesn't care about the

In that case, I can really use this level since there are no such restrictions. The author never set any restrictions, but there was no such "it doesn't matter" here. Usually, this answer refers to the fact that it was asked unexpectedly, and not the answer "it doesn't matter." But yes, Dust Sansa is not interested in this, but Calv wanted to add a level of destruction in the novel version.

High 3-A Karma​

Just like before, Calv's answer of "I never thought about that" isn't a good enough answer to derive anything from, furthermore saying "karma damage increases with sin therefore High 3-A" is a massive NLF. We're never shown that karma can operate at such a high level

It was said by Kalv that karma increases damage, so it is not limited, but only the 3-dimensional level is limited, that is, karma will be very dangerous for those who have a billion sins, and maybe more than a trillion.

High 8-C Dura​

I already explained why I disagree with High 8-C AP, but in regard to this section, since Sans fights with magic, we don't actually have any reason to scale his magic attacks to his own durability (I know canon Undertale's established its magic as a UES recently, but that wouldn't apply here for the same reasons canon Sans' stats and abilities wouldn't)

Stealth/Speed​

I'm not sure why you think this would require/prove Sans having Stealth mastery/Subsonic speed? Attacking someone before they can take action against you doesn't require either, "before they can take action" doesn't necessarily mean Sans is going to be blitzing Asgore and killing him before he can react, at best it'd just mean Sans can scale to Dusttale Asgore in speed (I don't really know what that's worth)

In fact, sometimes you can even interpret his speed as human-like, but I don't think it should be reduced too much, so I think he could very well do this at a long distance, since he attacks when the enemy notices him but doesn't have time to prepare. At a long distance, he quickly closes the distance to kill Asgore.

Low 2-C/Immeasurable​

The wording of the original question "Deletes the timeline and throws Sans to another AU" makes it clear Sans isn't actually withstanding anything here, but rather was just deliberately not targeted, meaning he wouldn't need EE resistance or Low 2-C dura. "Trying to get back to the original timeline" in no way implies Sans can move in places where time and space are absent (And that wouldn't even be Immeasurable anyway) it just means Sans is trying to get back from whatever timeline he got punted to, (And the default assumption about timelines is that they do, in fact, have time and space in them) not to mention this would be a gargantuan outlier even if it was legit

I didn't add this level here, but in my wiki I added it as "likely" since space and time are completely erased, but I divided it into 2 options: how Dust is immune to erasure, or 2 options where he is like a likely universe level.

IQ​

The book question, which once again is answered with an unsure "I think," made even worse by Calv spelling out that they're unsure of their answer. Additionally, you've either cropped out some other answer here or you're somehow extrapolating "I think he'd like reading books" into "Sans figured out who the Player is and analyzed & figured out how resets work." I don't think I need to explain that those are wholly unrelated

I would give him a gifted intellect, but I don't know why I gave him an outstanding genius. This wiki was created a few months ago.

BIQ​

Setting traps is only an Average intelligence feat, since we have no idea what kind of traps he'd set, "as good at close combat as the human" is also pretty vague, since we don't know how good at melee combat the human/Dusttale Frisk (I'm assuming that's who this question is referring to) is

Here you can think as you want, in fact, how he gave him BIQ due to IQ and his combat, this would be an excellent combination for me

Acausality​

Fine, (He actually already has this) but since it's only retaining memories it'd only be "limited Acausality"

Attacks​

Based solely on this post, we have no reason to believe Dusttale Sans has access to any of the things you're claiming he can use, (Dusttale Sans already has Telekinesis alongside Gravity Manipulation, but given this post spells out that he's manipulating gravity the former should probably be removed) Calv mentions Sans' ability to use bones and gaster blasters in later posts, but if there's nothing official indicating he do such, we shouldn't just assume he can teleport. You're reasoning for including the former but not others are also entirely arbitrary and based only on how you think Calv would respond, which isn't how this works

Not all Sanses are capable of the same abilities as their original counterparts, for example, your Insanity at the island level, if we reason as UTF, which made it relativistic, and the island level is its Insanity, I seriously can't reason as canonical counterparts, it's a different Sans and he remembers saving, just like Frisk in Dustale, her reset ability doesn't look like the canonical counterpart

Arsenal​

"He's used a knife once or twice" is at best grounds for optional equipment, I think the question about bones (Which the profile currently uses as evidence of Power Mimicry, which isn't how that ability works) would probably qualify as a leading question too (It's not even phrased as a question, it just says "he could do this")

In fact, he can create any arsenal if he needs it, usually everything depends on Dust's interest, if he is interested, he will make himself a spear, in any case, everything depends on Dust's interest

Poison/Chemicals​

"You can give him any kind of trap, no matter what"

Uh, no, that's not how that works. Calv makes it clear they haven't given any thought to this kind of thing (Asking "really?" to the question mentioning other versions of the character doing so and the reasoning for such) and yet another "I think" response, which in this case is only in relation to other stories that make him do such, this shouldn't be used as evidence that the "official" dusttale Sans does anything with poison or chemicals (And even if he did we have no idea what kind or what he uses them for)

We can't say what kind of poison he uses, but the author already said that he uses them in battle. The author doesn't decide Dust's plot because he's limited to what we imagine. The author also claims that you can give him any poison. That is, I can imagine Dust throwing acid. This also highlights gifted or genius intellect because he creates substances that oxidize electrons. If we imagine it even better, he can create a poison that blocks electrons. We're not limited to fantasy because the author claims that you can give him any poison and traps.

Coffee​

Another "maybe," this would at best be optional equipment, and realistically shouldn't be used at all

As a medic, I can say that it would really come in handy in combat, and it's also ideal for bleeding, since it awakens the sympathetic nervous system. The only downside is that if you're a healthy person and you drink a lot of coffee, it will have a negative impact on your organs, since the sympathetic nervous system constricts some organ blood vessels, which could very well cause kidney failure. However, there are also advantages: some vessels dilate to ensure blood circulation in areas important for survival.

NPI​

Probably fine and better as evidence then "canon did a thing"

Potential​

Another leading question, your conclusion of lv having no limit and thus Sans being High 3-A is entirely unsubstantiated and, like with karma, a massive NLF

The potential for the level depends, although yes, he may not reach this level if Dust Sans has a limited level, but there is no such context, so even if he is level 10088938878493, he will become even stronger

Cosmology​

Given the question's been cropped out I can't exactly say how legit this one is. (And I'm pretty sure that also means we wouldn't be able to use this) We have no reason to say the game crashing (Which itself is only a possibility, seeing as Calv says the game could crash) is equivalent to the destruction of the entire timeline, there's also no evidence in this post that this doesn't apply to anyone else. This would at best be some weird untierable Enviornmental Destruction

It was stated directly that if Dust were killed, something bad would happen.

 

[Soupywolf5]

In that case, I can really use this level since there are no such restrictions. The author never set any restrictions, but there was no such "it doesn't matter" here. Usually, this answer refers to the fact that it was asked unexpectedly, and not the answer "it doesn't matter." But yes, Dust Sansa is not interested in this, but Calv wanted to add a level of destruction in the novel version.

We can't use this response at all since it was responding to a leading question, which we don't allow, furthermore there isn't even a definitive answer here that a tier could be derived from, Calv saying Sans isn't interested in breaking buildings doesn't in and of itself indicate he's actually capable of such. The novels being treated as their own thing and not being used here means they have no bearing; it doesn't matter how strong Sans is there

It was said by Kalv that karma increases damage, so it is not limited, but only the 3-dimensional level is limited, that is, karma will be very dangerous for those who have a billion sins, and maybe more than a trillion.

Just because it doesn't have a stated limit doesn't mean we can assume one doesn't exist, that's textbook NLF, at best we can go off what we're told or can directly see

In fact, sometimes you can even interpret his speed as human-like, but I don't think it should be reduced too much, so I think he could very well do this at a long distance, since he attacks when the enemy notices him but doesn't have time to prepare. At a long distance, he quickly closes the distance to kill Asgore.

Unless you can actually provide reasoning for a higher speed tier then that doesn't really matter, "long-distance" is entirely undefined, as is any kind of timeframe. (There isn't even any kind of movement here to measure, Calv just said Sans would kill Asgore) Saying Sans would attack from long distance and quickly close said distance is both vague and entirely unsubstantiated (I'm going to repeat myself a lot here)

I didn't add this level here, but in my wiki I added it as "likely" since space and time are completely erased, but I divided it into 2 options: how Dust is immune to erasure, or 2 options where he is like a likely universe level.

This doesn't address my issue with this section, the original question implied something that would deliberately not target Sans for the purpose of sending him to another universe, which Calv doesn't dispute or contradict, meaning Sans requires neither EE resistance or Uni+ durability, he's just not being attacked. You also haven't addressed that level of durability being an enormous outlier

I would give him a gifted intellect, but I don't know why I gave him an outstanding genius. This wiki was created a few months ago.

But why would he be Gifted? "You'd give him it" isn't a reason, (Well, not a good one) and nothing provided here would grant anything above, being generous, Above Average (Realistically it's just Average)

Here you can think as you want, in fact, how he gave him BIQ due to IQ and his combat, this would be an excellent combination for me

This doesn't address the problem of the provided answers just, not really providing anything for BIQ? Being as good as someone else doesn't mean anything when we don't know how good that other person is

Not all Sanses are capable of the same abilities as their original counterparts, for example, your Insanity at the island level, if we reason as UTF, which made it relativistic, and the island level is its Insanity, I seriously can't reason as canonical counterparts, it's a different Sans and he remembers saving, just like Frisk in Dustale, her reset ability doesn't look like the canonical counterpart

Yes, that's my point. We can't say Dust Sans can teleport just because canon can, thus, if he doesn't have any actual showings of such (Or, I guess Calv doesn't indicate he can do such in any of their answers, since I think this profile only uses this Q&A) he shouldn't have it

In fact, he can create any arsenal if he needs it, usually everything depends on Dust's interest, if he is interested, he will make himself a spear, in any case, everything depends on Dust's interest

"Any arsenal" is pushing it, especially when Clav is dismissive of Sans fighting like that anyway, my point here was ultimately that Sans should only get a knife as optional equipment (At best; Calv doesn't even say that he has used a knife, they say he could) and Power Mimicry should be removed regardless of if we keep this answer, (Which we probably shouldn't since I'm pretty sure this'd be considered a leading question) since Sans shaping his bones into other weapons isn't really copying in the way Power Mimicry is

We can't say what kind of poison he uses, but the author already said that he uses them in battle. The author doesn't decide Dust's plot because he's limited to what we imagine. The author also claims that you can give him any poison. That is, I can imagine Dust throwing acid. This also highlights gifted or genius intellect because he creates substances that oxidize electrons. If we imagine it even better, he can create a poison that blocks electrons. We're not limited to fantasy because the author claims that you can give him any poison and traps.

Calc makes no claim here that Sans actually fights with poison, only saying "I think it'd be ok sometimes," they make no claim that you can give him "any poison/traps," nor do they say "think as you want" about such like you're suggesting in your original sandbox, they don't even definitively say that he uses chemicals at all, they just think it's neat that other people did that. All of this stuff with electrons is baseless conjecture, and is another NLF, you can't say he can do any of that because he never has

As a medic, I can say that it would really come in handy in combat, and it's also ideal for bleeding, since it awakens the sympathetic nervous system. The only downside is that if you're a healthy person and you drink a lot of coffee, it will have a negative impact on your organs, since the sympathetic nervous system constricts some organ blood vessels, which could very well cause kidney failure. However, there are also advantages: some vessels dilate to ensure blood circulation in areas important for survival.

While I'll admit that I'm not particularly knowledgeable on this, when I looked it up what I found seemed to be the opposite what you're suggesting (What I found said that the caffeine in coffee would inhibit blood clotting and cause you to bleed more) but alright, I'll take your word on this, regardless of that and regardless of Sans being a skeleton without blood vessels or a nervous system to be affected like that, "it'd be useful" isn't a reason for a character to have something, it'd be useful for him to have a lot of things, that doesn't mean he has them. Calv just responded with a "maybe" to someone asking if Sans drinks coffee, they give no actual confirmation and the item in question being useful doesn't mean we can ignore that

The potential for the level depends, although yes, he may not reach this level if Dust Sans has a limited level, but there is no such context, so even if he is level 10088938878493, he will become even stronger

"No context" doesn't mean you get to automatically assume the highest possible interpretation, the highest LV we get for sans is 19 and we can't just give him any arbitrarily high LV above that. This question is hella leading anyway and responded to with an unclear "I think," we shouldn't even use it at all

It was stated directly that if Dust were killed, something bad would happen.

Sure, but my point is that the question is cropped out which makes this answer fuzzy, I'd want to see the question it's responding too to make a definitive call. The answer also doesn't provide anything close to your conclusion, so it wouldn't be Low 2-C either way

 

[Walker21232123]

Cosmology hax: Low 2-C: Universe level+ (If Dust Sans dies, the universe will be erased)

The Game crashing doesn't mean erase universe

Potential: High 3-A: High Universe level (LV can grow infinitely)

that just higher with LV at most

Dust Sans and Undertale Sans himself, because different authors and never mentioned that they are related

Dusttale is alternate timeline branch off Undertale and that confirmed. Scaling him to Sans is fine.

Also, he is stated to be smart as Canon Sans

 

[Oikarian]

We can't use this response at all since it was responding to a leading question, which we don't allow, furthermore there isn't even a definitive answer here that a tier could be derived from, Calv saying Sans isn't interested in breaking buildings doesn't in and of itself indicate he's actually capable of such. The novels being treated as their own thing and not being used here means they have no bearing; it doesn't matter how strong Sans is there

I would consider it from the author's point of view, but from his side, he said that Dust is not interested, and not the author himself, but the author himself is interested in this because he added it in the novel, although the Dusttail team did not agree because their plot is based on the fantasies of fans and not on the novel, therefore it is semi-canon.

Just because it doesn't have a stated limit doesn't mean we can assume one doesn't exist, that's textbook NLF, at best we can go off what we're told or can directly see

Unless you can actually provide reasoning for a higher speed tier then that doesn't really matter, "long-distance" is entirely undefined, as is any kind of timeframe. (There isn't even any kind of movement here to measure, Calv just said Sans would kill Asgore) Saying Sans would attack from long distance and quickly close said distance is both vague and entirely unsubstantiated (I'm going to repeat myself a lot here)

Interpret it differently. Personally, I interpret it as subsonic, but if you want to see his human speed, you can interpret it as his speed not being heavily protected, but simply showing that he is cunning and attacks when the enemy is confused.

This doesn't address my issue with this section, the original question implied something that would deliberately not target Sans for the purpose of sending him to another universe, which Calv doesn't dispute or contradict, meaning Sans requires neither EE resistance or Uni+ durability, he's just not being attacked. You also haven't addressed that level of durability being an enormous outlier

This is already your contradiction, in the context this was not said anywhere, but it was only mentioned that he wanders around his au where it is completely erased if it is erased

But why would he be Gifted? "You'd give him it" isn't a reason, (Well, not a good one) and nothing provided here would grant anything above, being generous, Above Average (Realistically it's just Average)

Explain how you apply Lewis's theory to solving a problem. This is your very first chemistry lesson, and if you don't know how to use it in a problem, it's hard to say you'll handle the rest of the lessons. In any case, Dust Sans is likely gifted; he understands how substances are oxidized by oxygen and creates poison. By creating poison, he should be able to make medicine, but that's not a given.

This doesn't address the problem of the provided answers just, not really providing anything for BIQ? Being as good as someone else doesn't mean anything when we don't know how good that other person is

Poison doesn't have good effectiveness; it all depends on how oxidation occurs. It oxidizes cells, that is, like bacteria, which also oxidize, but this is only at the cellular level, since there are others, for example, radiation oxidizes the DNA level, that is, deeper than the membranes, and I only take the cellular level.

Yes, that's my point. We can't say Dust Sans can teleport just because canon can, thus, if he doesn't have any actual showings of such (Or, I guess Calv doesn't indicate he can do such in any of their answers, since I think this profile only uses this Q&A) he shouldn't have it

"Any arsenal" is pushing it, especially when Clav is dismissive of Sans fighting like that anyway, my point here was ultimately that Sans should only get a knife as optional equipment (At best; Calv doesn't even say that he has used a knife, they say he could) and Power Mimicry should be removed regardless of if we keep this answer, (Which we probably shouldn't since I'm pretty sure this'd be considered a leading question) since Sans shaping his bones into other weapons isn't really copying in the way Power Mimicry is

This is nonsense, since creating an arsenal lowers Dust Sans's ability. Imitation is what was written, that his bones explode and imitate all the character's weapons. No, bones can't explode, it was mentioned that he can only make bones as weapons.

Calc makes no claim here that Sans actually fights with poison, only saying "I think it'd be ok sometimes," they make no claim that you can give him "any poison/traps," nor do they say "think as you want" about such like you're suggesting in your original sandbox, they don't even definitively say that he uses chemicals at all, they just think it's neat that other people did that. All of this stuff with electrons is baseless conjecture, and is another NLF, you can't say he can do any of that because he never has

It all depends on your imagination, but considering your thoughts on poisons, it seems like you don't understand much about efficiency.

While I'll admit that I'm not particularly knowledgeable on this, when I looked it up what I found seemed to be the opposite what you're suggesting (What I found said that the caffeine in coffee would inhibit blood clotting and cause you to bleed more) but alright, I'll take your word on this, regardless of that and regardless of Sans being a skeleton without blood vessels or a nervous system to be affected like that, "it'd be useful" isn't a reason for a character to have something, it'd be useful for him to have a lot of things, that doesn't mean he has them. Calv just responded with a "maybe" to someone asking if Sans drinks coffee, they give no actual confirmation and the item in question being useful doesn't mean we can ignore that

So, again, a patient trying to outsmart the doctor? Let me explain. If you don't know how the process works, don't search online or anything like that. They say online that if you drink vinegar, you should drink water. No, milk is better instead of water because it relieves mucous burns better. I'll also explain how it works. If the sympathetic nervous system interacts, a large dose constricts all blood vessels, causing congestion. When blood vessels are constricted, this increases blood pressure and lowers the pulse. High blood pressure causes congestion. Long-term high blood pressure can lead to cardiac asthma because the blood vessels in the bronchi are severely constricted through the heart, making it difficult to breathe. In any case, if you are a healthy person, this will be a dangerously high dose for you, but in case of bleeding, you need adrenaline or coffee to somehow hold out, because this will help constrict the blood vessels in some places and expand the vessels where blood circulation is needed, but yes, I did not mention that it relieves bleeding, I mentioned that it will provide survival, since the body with the sympathetic nervous system considers survival and blood circulation in those places where it is necessary

"No context" doesn't mean you get to automatically assume the highest possible interpretation, the highest LV we get for sans is 19 and we can't just give him any arbitrarily high LV above that. This question is hella leading anyway and responded to with an unclear "I think," we shouldn't even use it at all

It's more your opinion, in any case, the context mentioned that he is becoming stronger than before, so there is no contradiction.

Sure, but my point is that the question is cropped out which makes this answer fuzzy, I'd want to see the question it's responding too to make a definitive call. The answer also doesn't provide anything close to your conclusion, so it wouldn't be Low 2-C either way

Are you talking about Cosmology Hax? The universe simply gets erased if Dust Sans dies. Of course, this only works in his universe and not in others.

 

[Soupywolf5]

I would consider it from the author's point of view, but from his side, he said that Dust is not interested, and not the author himself, but the author himself is interested in this because he added it in the novel, although the Dusttail team did not agree because their plot is based on the fantasies of fans and not on the novel, therefore it is semi-canon.

If the novels are going to be separate from the Ask-dusttale profile, then they don't matter

Interpret it differently. Personally, I interpret it as subsonic, but if you want to see his human speed, you can interpret it as his speed not being heavily protected, but simply showing that he is cunning and attacks when the enemy is confused.

ok, but you need to actually prove your interpretation here, Subsonic would require a very specific interpretation of the original answer that just isn't very solid

This is already your contradiction, in the context this was not said anywhere, but it was only mentioned that he wanders around his au where it is completely erased if it is erased

The original question says "what if someone deletes murder's timeline and throws him to another AU" it's pretty clear that the question isn't suggesting that whoever did said timeline deletion tried to destroy Sans with it, nor does it say he's left to wander his own universe, it's pretty clear that he'd be in a different (Not deleted) AU

Explain how you apply Lewis's theory to solving a problem. This is your very first chemistry lesson, and if you don't know how to use it in a problem, it's hard to say you'll handle the rest of the lessons. In any case, Dust Sans is likely gifted; he understands how substances are oxidized by oxygen and creates poison. By creating poison, he should be able to make medicine, but that's not a given.

Poison doesn't have good effectiveness; it all depends on how oxidation occurs. It oxidizes cells, that is, like bacteria, which also oxidize, but this is only at the cellular level, since there are others, for example, radiation oxidizes the DNA level, that is, deeper than the membranes, and I only take the cellular level.

You can talk as much chemistry as you want, this doesn't change that Calv makes no claim that Sans actually uses chemicals or poisons in any way, and trying to assign him any level of intelligence based on that is going to be entirely conjecture

So, again, a patient trying to outsmart the doctor? Let me explain. If you don't know how the process works, don't search online or anything like that. They say online that if you drink vinegar, you should drink water. No, milk is better instead of water because it relieves mucous burns better. I'll also explain how it works. If the sympathetic nervous system interacts, a large dose constricts all blood vessels, causing congestion. When blood vessels are constricted, this increases blood pressure and lowers the pulse. High blood pressure causes congestion. Long-term high blood pressure can lead to cardiac asthma because the blood vessels in the bronchi are severely constricted through the heart, making it difficult to breathe. In any case, if you are a healthy person, this will be a dangerously high dose for you, but in case of bleeding, you need adrenaline or coffee to somehow hold out, because this will help constrict the blood vessels in some places and expand the vessels where blood circulation is needed, but yes, I did not mention that it relieves bleeding, I mentioned that it will provide survival, since the body with the sympathetic nervous system considers survival and blood circulation in those places where it is necessary

Alright, really cool stuff, loving the condescending tone, none of this changes that the answer to the original question was "maybe," which we shouldn't use as proof of Sans having coffee in his arsenal

It's more your opinion, in any case, the context mentioned that he is becoming stronger than before, so there is no contradiction.

Not really, this is a pretty blatantly leading question, and you interpretation is also a blatant NLF

Are you talking about Cosmology Hax? The universe simply gets erased if Dust Sans dies. Of course, this only works in his universe and not in others.

The answer was "the game crashes," which doesn't mean the universe gets erased, you'd have to prove that's what that means

 

[Soupywolf5]

Also on the subject of teleportation & the BIQ stuff. I've been looking through ask-dusttale tumblr (BTW the scan for gravity manipulation looks like a Twitter post, which Calv has said to ignore since they're not official) and Calv has outright said that Sans can't warp (In response to another leading question) meaning he should lose Teleportation, but also outright said that they don't think Sans is a good fighter (Of course, their response of "I think" means we could probably dismiss this if it was contradicted and Sans showcased that he was a decent fighter, but all we really have is "He's as good of a fighter as the human" which itself isn't quantifiable)

 

[Oikarian]

If the novels are going to be separate from the Ask-dusttale profile, then they don't matter

It's semi-canon in terms of plot. The Ask Dusttale team doesn't take into account the plot of Calv, but it is semi-canon in that it could have happened in such a universe. This is one of the variations of the universe, since the plot of Dusttale is based on the fantasies of fans, which can happen in different ways, but within the limitations of Frisk and Dust Sans, no more. Basically, we can only take the context of Ask from Calv, for example, the question about poison, which, if I remember correctly, was asked in 2019-20. Calv said it was a great idea and added it to his novel, meaning Calv didn't abandon this idea. In fact, this is a big minus since the Ask team does not participate in fan questions; Kalv always answers and only his context is known to us. Also, the team is not participating in the collaboration; Kalv's Ask team has never had interaction with fans, so we focus on the context of Kalv and only his.

ok, but you need to actually prove your interpretation here, Subsonic would require a very specific interpretation of the original answer that just isn't very solid

Well, in my case, it would be like Dust Sans using a long range of about 10-20 meters, since it is said that he removes visibility and if he is noticed, he closes the distance. If you know where Asgore is, he is usually always in an open space where visibility is difficult to control. In fact, he needs high speed so that Asgore does not have time to switch to the mode of action.

The original question says "what if someone deletes murder's timeline and throws him to another AU" it's pretty clear that the question isn't suggesting that whoever did said timeline deletion tried to destroy Sans with it, nor does it say he's left to wander his own universe, it's pretty clear that he'd be in a different (Not deleted) AU

Yes, I really didn't read carefully here. I thought that Dust was in the Dusttale universe and his world was erased, but here it says that he moved to another AU and is looking for his AU as a patriot. Yes, you made me consider this as the other side because of my inattention. I didn't notice the fan's question.

You can talk as much chemistry as you want, this doesn't change that Calv makes no claim that Sans actually uses chemicals or poisons in any way, and trying to assign him any level of intelligence based on that is going to be entirely conjecture

Here we should ask the Ask team and not Calv, since Calv himself is not against such an idea, but we don’t know the Ask team, who don’t interact with fans, but in any case, Calv added this to his novel and he’s not even against such an idea, and I’m specifically talking about the existing context of Ask. But if we talk about intelligence, Kalv mentioned that he reads books on various topics, and a fan asked a question about the creation of chemistry, for Kalv it was a great idea to add a novella

Alright, really cool stuff, loving the condescending tone, none of this changes that the answer to the original question was "maybe," which we shouldn't use as proof of Sans having coffee in his arsenal

If you're talking about considering this from the author's perspective or from the crafting perspective, I'd simply add a 2x speed boost. If the strict pharmacology isn't just about speed, it's also about endurance and stat boosts.
It would probably look more like a 2x speed boost + likely endurance boost and likely stat boost.
But due to the lack of context, I looked at the coffees in strict order.

Not really, this is a pretty blatantly leading question, and you interpretation is also a blatant NLF

If we consider the potential for development and increase in strength, then, of course, it is very low. By destroying all living beings on the planet, he would reach the level of a city with a million levels. But if we consider this as potential, then his limiting power is absent only in three-dimensional space; it would be virtually infinite.

The answer was "the game crashes," which doesn't mean the universe gets erased, you'd have to prove that's what that means

I know some basic IT, I've taken courses, but I know something, it says "erase data" and similar erasures, also, an error from the window cannot be, in fact, Dust Sans can be called a virus, because if you destroy it, the code file changes, imagine that you are important to the universe (like Spider-Man), and if you die, your atoms will spread throughout the universe and take electrons and scatter them chaotically among other atoms, you can be considered a bomb with radiation, just like Dust Sans, it seems that his death causes chaos in the code and even erases all data, that is, all the game data


I didn't answer for a long time because I was busy with things.

 

[Randomuser3412]

We can't use this response at all since it was responding to a leading question

Whoop dee doo, there goes literally all of Murder's scaling lol

Sans can't warp

Sans... can't warp reality, which is what the question was... She never said he couldn't teleport there. All though, teleportation is still something you would have to prove elsewhere

they don't think Sans is a good fighter

This was in response to the question if a soldier would think of him as a good fighter, which was likely answered as "no" because he's unpredictable/kind of insane, which is backed up here, where she does actually say he's a good tactician.
She also says he's "nearly mastered his abilities," so it seems more consistent than saying he's a bad fighter just because a soldier would think so.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Whoop dee doo, there goes literally all of Murder's scaling lol


Sans... can't warp reality, which is what the question was... She never said he couldn't teleport there. All though, teleportation is still something you would have to prove elsewhere


This was in response to the question if a soldier would think of him as a good fighter, which was likely answered as "no" because he's unpredictable/kind of insane, which is backed up here, where she does actually say he's a good tactician.
She also says he's "nearly mastered his abilities," so it seems more consistent than saying he's a bad fighter just because a soldier would think so.

Well then that’s too bad ig (Is there really nothing else?)

Given their answer is “he can't warp, he knows shortcuts” I think they interpreted the “warp” in this question as teleporting (They mention in another post that their English isn’t great) plus I couldn’t find any posts where she indicates he can teleport anyway

They also specify that they personally don't think he's a good fighter, not just that he sucks from a soldier's pov. “Mastering his abilities” doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a good fighter, he’s just good at using magic, we can’t say that means he’s good at fighting with it. (And I think we’d need at least some context for what “nearly mastered” actually means) Plus she doesn’t say he’s a “good” tactician, just that he is one, which she then immediately juxtaposes by saying he’s also mad & impulsive

 

[Randomuser3412]

They also specify that they personally don't think he's a good fighter,

This is most likely her not having the best English again, with her intention still being from the perspective of a soldier; she says he "isn't a good fighter" because he doesn't only care about efficiency, which I feel is more-so implying the soldier would think he isn't a good fighter because he sometimes toys around with the human. Why I say the human specifically is because he doesn't seem to toy around with other monsters, instead finding the fastest way to kill them (most likely because there isn't much time before the human arrives)

"he constantly calculates, plan, and modify his plans" doesn't exactly sound like she thinks he's a bad fighter.

which she then immediately juxtaposes by saying he’s also mad & impulsive

This doesn't inherently make him a bad fighter or a bad tactician, it's just not behavior you would ordinarily expect from a tactician.

I think they interpreted the “warp” in this question as teleporting

I don't see why that would be the case here. She answered the question that he can't warp reality. "Warp" works just fine in this situation; teleporting isn't reality warping anyway.

 

[Soupywolf5]

It's semi-canon in terms of plot. The Ask Dusttale team doesn't take into account the plot of Calv, but it is semi-canon in that it could have happened in such a universe. This is one of the variations of the universe, since the plot of Dusttale is based on the fantasies of fans, which can happen in different ways, but within the limitations of Frisk and Dust Sans, no more. Basically, we can only take the context of Ask from Calv, for example, the question about poison, which, if I remember correctly, was asked in 2019-20. Calv said it was a great idea and added it to his novel, meaning Calv didn't abandon this idea. In fact, this is a big minus since the Ask team does not participate in fan questions; Kalv always answers and only his context is known to us. Also, the team is not participating in the collaboration; Kalv's Ask team has never had interaction with fans, so we focus on the context of Kalv and only his.

Your blog is arguing that the novels should be treated as separate, anything that exists in the novels should have no bearing on the profile based solely on ask-dusttale

Well, in my case, it would be like Dust Sans using a long range of about 10-20 meters, since it is said that he removes visibility and if he is noticed, he closes the distance. If you know where Asgore is, he is usually always in an open space where visibility is difficult to control. In fact, he needs high speed so that Asgore does not have time to switch to the mode of action.

Immediately your assumption of 10-20 meters is entirely unfounded, we have no reason to believe he'd attack from that distance range. This also doesn't address there being no reason to assume Sans is blitzing Asgore (Calv suggests Sans would kill him by taking him off-guard/distracted, which doesn't indicate he'd be able to blitz him)

Here we should ask the Ask team and not Calv, since Calv himself is not against such an idea, but we don’t know the Ask team, who don’t interact with fans, but in any case, Calv added this to his novel and he’s not even against such an idea, and I’m specifically talking about the existing context of Ask. But if we talk about intelligence, Kalv mentioned that he reads books on various topics, and a fan asked a question about the creation of chemistry, for Kalv it was a great idea to add a novella

If he does this in the novels, then cool, the novel profile can have it, that doesn't mean the ask-dusttale version uses chemicals or poisons. They only suggest that he'd like reading, nothing about what kind of books he'd read (Unless there's another post about this?) and absolutely nothing in relation to chemistry

If you're talking about considering this from the author's perspective or from the crafting perspective, I'd simply add a 2x speed boost. If the strict pharmacology isn't just about speed, it's also about endurance and stat boosts.
It would probably look more like a 2x speed boost + likely endurance boost and likely stat boost.
But due to the lack of context, I looked at the coffees in strict order.

...Why would we consider drinking coffee a 2x speed amp? Even if we did give him it as equipment (We shouldn't) we have no reason to even entertain the idea that he can double his speed by drinking coffee

If we consider the potential for development and increase in strength, then, of course, it is very low. By destroying all living beings on the planet, he would reach the level of a city with a million levels. But if we consider this as potential, then his limiting power is absent only in three-dimensional space; it would be virtually infinite.

Even if we didn't have anything suggesting his LV is capped (Calv's said that it's capped at 19 or 20) we still wouldn't slap a High 3-A rating on there, we'd give him whatever tier he's actually shown being

I know some basic IT, I've taken courses, but I know something, it says "erase data" and similar erasures, also, an error from the window cannot be, in fact, Dust Sans can be called a virus, because if you destroy it, the code file changes, imagine that you are important to the universe (like Spider-Man), and if you die, your atoms will spread throughout the universe and take electrons and scatter them chaotically among other atoms, you can be considered a bomb with radiation, just like Dust Sans, it seems that his death causes chaos in the code and even erases all data, that is, all the game data

That's not even remotely the same thing, Calv makes no mention of all game data being erased (The "erased data" in this context was talking about Sans' memories) just that it could crash, with no elaboration on what that would entail

 

[Randomuser3412]

f he does this in the novels, then cool

He doesn't

(Is there really nothing else?)

No, technically not. She says he can destroy the boxes and shops that the human uses in a post that wasn't responding to any question.

 

[Soupywolf5]

This is most likely her not having the best English again, with her intention still being from the perspective of a soldier; she says he "isn't a good fighter" because he doesn't only care about efficiency, which I feel is more-so implying the soldier would think he isn't a good fighter because he sometimes toys around with the human. Why I say the human specifically is because he doesn't seem to toy around with other monsters, instead finding the fastest way to kill them (most likely because there isn't much time before the human arrives)

"he constantly calculates, plan, and modify his plans" doesn't exactly sound like she thinks he's a bad fighter.

This doesn't inherently make him a bad fighter or a bad tactician, it's just not behavior you would ordinarily expect from a tactician.

I don't see why that would be the case here. She answered the question that he can't warp reality. "Warp" works just fine in this situation; teleporting isn't reality warping anyway.

I mean; I guess? The answer does seem like it's very much their own opinion on his fighting That doesn't really support the interpretation that he's a good fighter though

That's in relation to him being a tactician, it doesn't say much on how well he can handle himself when he actually gets into a fight

It certainly doesn't make you a good tactician

I mentioned her response doesn't really sound like it's talking about warping reality. Why would she mention shortcuts if she's referring to warp as warping reality?

 

[Oikarian]

Your blog is arguing that the novels should be treated as separate, anything that exists in the novels should have no bearing on the profile based solely on ask-dusttale

It is considered as a separate universe, but it should be considered as the opinions of Kalv and not as one universe, since all the ask is carried out under the question of Kalv and not the Ask team. That is, by reading the novel, I can understand what Calv is thinking when he answers questions from fans.

Immediately your assumption of 10-20 meters is entirely unfounded, we have no reason to believe he'd attack from that distance range. This also doesn't address there being no reason to assume Sans is blitzing Asgore (Calv suggests Sans would kill him by taking him off-guard/distracted, which doesn't indicate he'd be able to blitz him)

Yes, but it will still be at a distance of 10-20 meters in order to reduce the distance so that Asgore does not enter the action state, which in principle you yourself confirmed my guesses

If he does this in the novels, then cool, the novel profile can have it, that doesn't mean the ask-dusttale version uses chemicals or poisons. They only suggest that he'd like reading, nothing about what kind of books he'd read (Unless there's another post about this?) and absolutely nothing in relation to chemistry

It's unknown about books, but he's interested in this; in order to somehow engage in it, it should provide some knowledge, but if in the context of the production of chemical poisons, he's good at it because Kalv was interested in this and added it within the framework of his fantasy plot of Dusttale. Also, Calv views chemical poisons as traps and not as attacking items, for example, he throws poison into Frisk's box where she gets food, therefore, the traps that he calls can be given any traps, Dust Sans is a strategist and does this meanly in order to somehow defeat Frisk

...Why would we consider drinking coffee a 2x speed amp? Even if we did give him it as equipment (We shouldn't) we have no reason to even entertain the idea that he can double his speed by drinking coffee

Then I need a context that actually provides a basis for proof, because you can't distort coffee without context. If there isn't, then everything said is considered strictly in terms of physics or any other situation. Coffee can't be called metaphysics without being considered strictly in this context. I'll also say that coffee is always used as a boost in games; it's even present in Undertale itself.

Even if we didn't have anything suggesting his LV is capped (Calv's said that it's capped at 19 or 20) we still wouldn't slap a High 3-A rating on there, we'd give him whatever tier he's actually shown being

This question was considered in terms of the number of monsters in the dungeon, since Frisk's maximum level is 20, as Kalf believes, this is because Dust was able to kill everyone in the dungeon, he is not simply saying that if Frisk is destroyed, Dust will remain "alone"

That's not even remotely the same thing, Calv makes no mention of all game data being erased (The "erased data" in this context was talking about Sans' memories) just that it could crash, with no elaboration on what that would entail

Your context would have been confirmed if he hadn't given the example of Appdata and corruption, or since it already hints at changing the game code, corruption can never happen without a reason.

 

[Soupywolf5]

It is considered as a separate universe, but it should be considered as the opinions of Kalv and not as one universe, since all the ask is carried out under the question of Kalv and not the Ask team. That is, by reading the novel, I can understand what Calv is thinking when he answers questions from fans.

We’re not basing the profile on what Calv might have been thinking when answering, we’re basing it off what the answers actually are

Yes, but it will still be at a distance of 10-20 meters in order to reduce the distance so that Asgore does not enter the action state, which in principle you yourself confirmed my guesses

You still haven’t provided an actual reason for that exact distance as opposed to any other arbitrary value, attacking him while he’s off-guard or distracted makes no claim towards a distance Sans would attack from

It's unknown about books, but he's interested in this; in order to somehow engage in it, it should provide some knowledge, but if in the context of the production of chemical poisons, he's good at it because Kalv was interested in this and added it within the framework of his fantasy plot of Dusttale. Also, Calv views chemical poisons as traps and not as attacking items, for example, he throws poison into Frisk's box where she gets food, therefore, the traps that he calls can be given any traps, Dust Sans is a strategist and does this meanly in order to somehow defeat Frisk

There is no context of chemicals, Calv doesn’t ever confirm that ask-dusttale Sans actually uses any of that

“Calv views chemicals as traps, not attacking items,” where did they say this? They make it clear they haven’t even really thought of Sans using chemicals before. Where are you getting that Sans (Not the novels, they don’t matter here) would or has used those kinds of tactics?

Then I need a context that actually provides a basis for proof, because you can't distort coffee without context. If there isn't, then everything said is considered strictly in terms of physics or any other situation. Coffee can't be called metaphysics without being considered strictly in this context. I'll also say that coffee is always used as a boost in games; it's even present in Undertale itself.

what exactly are you trying to say here? “Strictly in terms of physics” are you trying to say that coffee irl doubles your speed? Because, uh, no? I’m not “distorting” anything, how coffee is used in Undertale doesn’t matter, and how it’s used in any other games especially doesn’t matter, you have no basis for this 2x amp even if we said he has coffee as equipment

This question was considered in terms of the number of monsters in the dungeon, since Frisk's maximum level is 20, as Kalf believes, this is because Dust was able to kill everyone in the dungeon, he is not simply saying that if Frisk is destroyed, Dust will remain "alone"

They specify a LV cap of 20 specifically referring to Sans, there’s no mention of the human’s LV cap here


This doesn’t change that crashing the game wouldn’t even remotely imply destroying the entire universe, we’re given a reason, (Sans being killed by someone from another universe) it just doesn’t mean this would translate to universal destruction

 

[Randomuser3412]

I mentioned her response doesn't really sound like it's talking about warping reality. Why would she mention shortcuts if she's referring to warp as warping reality?

While I do agree we shouldn't use crossverse for strength and abilities, it's important to take into consideration that this IS still the same person who knows Sans can teleport and has written it into their stories before. It's extremely bizarre to say Calva isn't just clarifying that "he can't warp reality just because he can teleport" and is instead saying "Yeah, this question doesn't actually relate to teleportation, but I'm gonna say this character I know a for fact can teleport and have written to be able to do so before can't."

 

[Soupywolf5]

While I do agree we shouldn't use crossverse for strength and abilities, it's important to take into consideration that this IS still the same person who knows Sans can teleport and has written it into their stories before. It's extremely bizarre to say Calva isn't just clarifying that "he can't warp reality just because he can teleport" and is instead saying "Yeah, this question doesn't actually relate to teleportation, but I'm gonna say this character I know a for fact can teleport and have written to be able to do so before can't."

I’m a little confused, are you agreeing that Dust Sans shouldn’t have Teleportation? I was originally saying that it seems like Calv kind of just ignored the original question, given their answer doesn’t sound like it pertains to reality warping in any way

 

[Randomuser3412]

I’m a little confused, are you agreeing that Dust Sans shouldn’t have Teleportation? I was originally saying that it seems like Calv kind of just ignored the original question, given their answer doesn’t sound like it pertains to reality warping in any way

All I was saying is your notion of it not pertaining to reality warping is completely absurd.
She seems to agree he can teleport, so he should have it, even if the implication of "Shortcut" being teleport alone wasn't enough.

 

[Oikarian]

We’re not basing the profile on what Calv might have been thinking when answering, we’re basing it off what the answers actually are

So, by your logic, where does the author of Error say he's at the Classic level, but for some reason gives him dangerous abilities that are almost god-tier? Or by your logic, Shadical says he doesn't make the characters boundless, even though every character in his novel is boundless. It's the same as when the author of Dragon Ball Super can't figure out his own canon. You're making a big mistake here, and you're even undermining yourself, because this will make Dust Sans stronger. From Calv's perspective, Dust, from somewhere in the novel, can strangle Undyne with telekinesis without any effort. This is Calv's opinion, who gave Dust such abilities and thinks he's perfectly capable of it. So, don't write such things. You've ruined yourself by doing so.

You still haven’t provided an actual reason for that exact distance as opposed to any other arbitrary value, attacking him while he’s off-guard or distracted makes no claim towards a distance Sans would attack from

In context, Kalv is mentioned differently, for example, it is said that he removes visibility, or maybe he is waiting for the right moment, but the essence is also that Asgore is in an open space with one passage that Asgore is waiting for. For such a context, strong arguments are needed, for example, Asgore in a closed space; in such map conditions, this can be done even at normal speed.

There is no context of chemicals, Calv doesn’t ever confirm that ask-dusttale Sans actually uses any of that

The author Kalv is not against this idea, but you also need to prove that the author is against it, since this was never stated in the context. Honestly, FC OC was created on the scale of Dust, a big mistake; it's way too overstated. For example, the imitation of power didn't say anywhere that Dust Sans' bones explode. Dust Sans creates weapons and it takes a long time to create them, but FC OC is described as exploding bones and possibly even instant creation, since he only imitates all abilities through bones.

“Calv views chemicals as traps, not attacking items,” where did they say this? They make it clear they haven’t even really thought of Sans using chemicals before. Where are you getting that Sans (Not the novels, they don’t matter here) would or has used those kinds of tactics?

So you're saying that author Calv is some kind of clown who just throws out context? You're already saying that author Calv, like a clown, mentioned that "traps simply exist" and doesn't give any reason to understand. Wouldn't it be easier to admit that FC OC is a fandom that overstates and misrepresents the power level? In the context, an example is given of how Calv is not against various traps, all from our fantasies, but for some reason, for you, this is something that Calv said in vain and the fact that the trap does not exist, you do not respect the author and yourself.

what exactly are you trying to say here? “Strictly in terms of physics” are you trying to say that coffee irl doubles your speed? Because, uh, no? I’m not “distorting” anything, how coffee is used in Undertale doesn’t matter, and how it’s used in any other games especially doesn’t matter, you have no basis for this 2x amp even if we said he has coffee as equipment

Then you need more compelling evidence, for example, prove that Dusttale is a metaphysical similitude, for example, Dragon Ball's MWI theory is a metaphysical similitude, when the real MWI theory is based on Kaluza Klein. If there is any similarity in the context that Dusttale does not meet our standards, this will prove that coffee does not work as coffee, that is, it does not contain alkaloids.

They specify a LV cap of 20 specifically referring to Sans, there’s no mention of the human’s LV cap here

Then you need where Kalv indicates the limited lvl, since the genocide is designed to kill those who exist in the dungeon, he killed everyone who received lvl 19-20, although the peak of his strength will be exactly lvl 20 and then his potential is unlimited, but in his dusttale universe he will never be able to gain lvl since he is alone in the dungeon

This doesn’t change that crashing the game wouldn’t even remotely imply destroying the entire universe, we’re given a reason, (Sans being killed by someone from another universe) it just doesn’t mean this would translate to universal destruction

Then you need compelling evidence, since you even reject the appdata example, and it's stated here that if someone from another universe kills him, it will destroy Dusttale. That is, if Killer kills him, it will destroy Dusttale. I don't know why you gave that example, but it was clear. Next, you reject the destruction of the universe, even though you even gave the example of erase data and appdata, as well as corruption. Why did you decide to disrespect neither me, nor the author, nor even yourself? For some reason, from your point of view, it looks different.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Shadical says he doesn't make the characters boundless

This is most likely because they aren't

 

[Soupywolf5]

So, by your logic, where does the author of Error say he's at the Classic level, but for some reason gives him dangerous abilities that are almost god-tier? Or by your logic, Shadical says he doesn't make the characters boundless, even though every character in his novel is boundless. It's the same as when the author of Dragon Ball Super can't figure out his own canon. You're making a big mistake here, and you're even undermining yourself, because this will make Dust Sans stronger. From Calv's perspective, Dust, from somewhere in the novel, can strangle Undyne with telekinesis without any effort. This is Calv's opinion, who gave Dust such abilities and thinks he's perfectly capable of it. So, don't write such things. You've ruined yourself by doing so.

First, insane whataboutism, bringing up other verses doesn't mean anything, second what are you actually trying to argue here anymore? The last few posts you've just been trying to use the novels despite admitting in your original post that they shouldn't be used (And looking through the creator's tumblr, they say "semi-official" in relation to the blogs actually means that it isn't an official story, and only exists as a possibility) speculating on what Calv thinks is even fuzzier than for other authors anyway because she's gone and said that she has her own headcanons that explicitly aren't canon/official.

In context, Kalv is mentioned differently, for example, it is said that he removes visibility, or maybe he is waiting for the right moment, but the essence is also that Asgore is in an open space with one passage that Asgore is waiting for. For such a context, strong arguments are needed, for example, Asgore in a closed space; in such map conditions, this can be done even at normal speed.

She didn't say he "removes visibility" she said he'd attack when there was a sense of visibility, which in this case just means Asgore knows about what he's doing, it's not referring to Sans sneak attacking (Though she does later clarify that he would do something like that) or blitz him out

The author Kalv is not against this idea, but you also need to prove that the author is against it, since this was never stated in the context. Honestly, FC OC was created on the scale of Dust, a big mistake; it's way too overstated. For example, the imitation of power didn't say anywhere that Dust Sans' bones explode. Dust Sans creates weapons and it takes a long time to create them, but FC OC is described as exploding bones and possibly even instant creation, since he only imitates all abilities through bones.

With how adamant Calv is in other posts that Sans doesn't use other monsters' attacks (And that she outright dislikes the idea) and only fights like classic, we really shouldn't even use this one (Hard leading, the person asking just throws down that Sans can imitate other attacks like it's a straight fact) question that they only respond with an "I suppose" to then claim he actually can

So you're saying that author Calv is some kind of clown who just throws out context? You're already saying that author Calv, like a clown, mentioned that "traps simply exist" and doesn't give any reason to understand. Wouldn't it be easier to admit that FC OC is a fandom that overstates and misrepresents the power level? In the context, an example is given of how Calv is not against various traps, all from our fantasies, but for some reason, for you, this is something that Calv said in vain and the fact that the trap does not exist, you do not respect the author and yourself.

Holy strawman, I never said she thinks traps don't exist, I said she doesn't indicate any kind that Sans uses, speculation is cool and all, but we're trying to index the character as they are in canon, unsupported headcanons have no place on the profile, profiles being inaccurate doesn't mean we should just continue to let them be so

Then you need more compelling evidence, for example, prove that Dusttale is a metaphysical similitude, for example, Dragon Ball's MWI theory is a metaphysical similitude, when the real MWI theory is based on Kaluza Klein. If there is any similarity in the context that Dusttale does not meet our standards, this will prove that coffee does not work as coffee, that is, it does not contain alkaloids.

I don't need to prove anything, (Especially not the metaphysics of coffee, whatever that means) you're making the positive claim here, the burden of proof is on you, ignoring the whataboutism in your example, we don't just use real interpretations of things like MWI because a verse name-drops it, we go only based off of what the verse itself shows (Hence why works that use MWI can be 2-C, 2-B, 2-A or even higher, despite all technically following the same idea) I also don't need to prove coffee doesn't contain alkaloids to dismiss the notion that it would grant a 2x speed amp

Then you need where Kalv indicates the limited lvl, since the genocide is designed to kill those who exist in the dungeon, he killed everyone who received lvl 19-20, although the peak of his strength will be exactly lvl 20 and then his potential is unlimited, but in his dusttale universe he will never be able to gain lvl since he is alone in the dungeon

Even if we went with this interpretation, we don't just hand out arbitrary higher tiers to characters with mechanics that would let them get stronger, we tier them based off what they actually show, note in their ability section that they have the ability to get stronger and that's it

Then you need compelling evidence, since you even reject the appdata example, and it's stated here that if someone from another universe kills him, it will destroy Dusttale. That is, if Killer kills him, it will destroy Dusttale. I don't know why you gave that example, but it was clear. Next, you reject the destruction of the universe, even though you even gave the example of erase data and appdata, as well as corruption. Why did you decide to disrespect neither me, nor the author, nor even yourself? For some reason, from your point of view, it looks different.

No, it's not, Calv says someone from another universe killing Sans could (As in, it's only a possibility, not a guarantee) cause the game to crash, not delete or erase or die or whatever else, crash, which isn't quantifiable. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, and I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way, but I just can't see how you're getting Low 2-C from this

 

[Soupywolf5]

All I was saying is your notion of it not pertaining to reality warping is completely absurd.
She seems to agree he can teleport, so he should have it, even if the implication of "Shortcut" being teleport alone wasn't enough.

Is it really? If she's responding (And knows so) to a question on if Sans can warp reality, then what's the point of bringing up his shortcuts, my point was that her answer is giving a way of crossing distances quickly, right after saying "Sans can't warp," I don't think interpreting her as meaning teleport in that case is that outlandish

She doesn't really address his ability to teleport there, the question just throws that out as a thing he can do and she doesn't respond to it, only answering the very last question about if he can kill monsters the human can't. Plus, if it's that absurd to think she was making any kind of comment on teleportation in the reality warping question, then I don't see why we should turn around and use its mention of "shortcuts" as supporting evidence for him having such an ability

 

[Randomuser3412]

Is it really? If she's responding (And knows so) to a question on if Sans can warp reality, then what's the point of bringing up his shortcuts, my point was that her answer is giving a way of crossing distances quickly, right after saying "Sans can't warp," I don't think interpreting her as meaning teleport in that case is that outlandish

So, you just didn't read this message I sent. Got it.

 

[Oikarian]

First, insane whataboutism, bringing up other verses doesn't mean anything, second what are you actually trying to argue here anymore? The last few posts you've just been trying to use the novels despite admitting in your original post that they shouldn't be used (And looking through the creator's tumblr, they say "semi-official" in relation to the blogs actually means that it isn't an official story, and only exists as a possibility) speculating on what Calv thinks is even fuzzier than for other authors anyway because she's gone and said that she has her own headcanons that explicitly aren't canon/official.

Mentioning the authors makes the perfect example of what you cited. By doing so, you proved that the author Kalv makes Dust Sans in the novel more elevated. For Kalv, this is the ideal level. But I also think the Ask team itself is not against it, since his novel is fanon only in terms of the plot and not his main abilities. After all, this is one of the representations of variations of the universe. But I take it as another universe to make Dust Sans even stronger. In fact, it will be like this: ask Dust <<<< Novel Dust can be divided and make Dust on a different level. And yes, I always mention that the novella will not be related to Ask. I wrote that I can illustrate what the author is thinking, and for this I need a novella, although the novella itself would be canon if not for the Ask team with its plot rules. In any case, never take the author's thoughts as their thoughts contradict what is said. This is a very bad example of that, especially how the author of Error justifies himself with the level of his character's power.

She didn't say he "removes visibility" she said he'd attack when there was a sense of visibility, which in this case just means Asgore knows about what he's doing, it's not referring to Sans sneak attacking (Though she does later clarify that he would do something like that) or blitz him out

The context said visibility, but I don't know what you're trying to prove since the context still remains that he's in open space. You should only refer to open spaces and not to how he suddenly attacks. You can stand further than 10-20 meters in real life, but if the enemy notices you and you're already in open space, you definitely won't be able to do it in a second since the space is open, you're easy to spot. But here it says if Dust Sans notices him, he'll kill Asgore before he gets ready.

With how adamant Calv is in other posts that Sans doesn't use other monsters' attacks (And that she outright dislikes the idea) and only fights like classic, we really shouldn't even use this one (Hard leading, the person asking just throws down that Sans can imitate other attacks like it's a straight fact) question that they only respond with an "I suppose" to then claim he actually can

I wrote that he mimics abilities using "bones." For example, FC OC gave the example of MTT bombs being like exploding bones, and Undine's spear being like spears made of bones. Their creation time, as I understand it, is surprisingly instantaneous, although I distinctly remember that creating a single spear from Dust's bone takes a long time and doesn't result in multiple attacks. He can only use it as an arsenal; he doesn't create it instantly. Otherwise, when mimicking an ability, he would use different arsenals in battle, but by downgrading it, he would only be able to use one arsenal, which essentially makes him create an arsenal rather than mimicking, where he's an absolute.

Holy strawman, I never said she thinks traps don't exist, I said she doesn't indicate any kind that Sans uses, speculation is cool and all, but we're trying to index the character as they are in canon, unsupported headcanons have no place on the profile, profiles being inaccurate doesn't mean we should just continue to let them be so

I remember what you said, the main point is that without giving context, your for some reason immediately decided that you rcontext is more important than Calv and that you are his friend, so to know, although you don’t even know the novel, why are you so sure that you can distort his conjecture, but if so, in this way you stop respecting yourself, in any case, you need to prove that the context of the plot of Dusttail is limited in terms of the types of traps, since you create many new questions that you do not close, although you should, after all, you refute and not me, but here it is somehow the other way around

I don't need to prove anything, (Especially not the metaphysics of coffee, whatever that means) you're making the positive claim here, the burden of proof is on you, ignoring the whataboutism in your example, we don't just use real interpretations of things like MWI because a verse name-drops it, we go only based off of what the verse itself shows (Hence why works that use MWI can be 2-C, 2-B, 2-A or even higher, despite all technically following the same idea) I also don't need to prove coffee doesn't contain alkaloids to dismiss the notion that it would grant a 2x speed amp

This is more of a translation of the topic than an example of anything. But if you translate the topic, then study the MWI. The multiverse according to Kaluza-Klein theories is never 4D. By doing so, you're destroying the Kaluza-Klein MWI formula, which consists of one 5D formula and its four 4D formulas. You're simply removing the "freedom" formula, thereby eliminating the multiverse and making it a single universe. But if you're talking about metaphysics where the MWI is abnormally composed, that's your 2-C and 2-A formula. In any case, as I said, you must prove that coffee is not an alkaloid and that Dusttale is akin to metaphysics. I expect this from a person who is trying to refute but instead runs away and creates new questions.

Even if we went with this interpretation, we don't just hand out arbitrary higher tiers to characters with mechanics that would let them get stronger, we tier them based off what they actually show, note in their ability section that they have the ability to get stronger and that's it

This is the same thing. How can I interpret that without context, no one can refute this? What's the point of such questions? You just have to find Kalv and ask him, for example, if he's limited by this. No one has asked such a question since for Kalv, level 20, these are only restrictions in the dungeon where he's completely alone. His potential grows due to leveling up, not like our powers where we need to pump up and train, but we have a limit like all characters. Some games have a leveling limit. Dust doesn't say this, he wasn't limited by this. Dust destroys everyone and remains alone. Although I remember some funny questions and how Kaly answered hyper Dust with humor, but it's unlikely that anyone is going to look for them since this is an old ASK.

No, it's not, Calv says someone from another universe killing Sans could (As in, it's only a possibility, not a guarantee) cause the game to crash, not delete or erase or die or whatever else, crash, which isn't quantifiable. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, and I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way, but I just can't see how you're getting Low 2-C from this

Kalv said that if someone from another timeline kills Dust, then Dusttale will go out of control, and Killer is just an example since he is a character from another universe. You also need to prove what appdata is and why corruption occurs. For some reason, you're so confident that you know programming, although even basic courses tell what code modification is. In any case, prove it, which can give an example of a computer crash. I'll look at your programming knowledge, as well as proof of erase data and appdata. Don't avoid this question. This will show that you don't respect yourself because you're so confident that you can even distort the author's context and show that programmers are wrong. Perhaps you'll open a Nobel Prize for programmers

 

[Soupywolf5]

So, you just didn't read this message I sent. Got it.

I read it, I'm just not sure I agree with the interpretation of her answer to the warping question being "he can't warp reality, he can just teleport," (idk, they've mentioned they use a translator for English questions, maybe this is just google translate doing them horrendous) and don't think we should give him teleportation for "he knows a shortcut" (I feel like there's got to be something more concrete for teleportation in there somewhere, I'm not necessarily opposed to Dust Sans having teleportation, I just don't think this or the question where Sans' ability to teleport is just shoved into the question (And then Calv doesn't even address it) aren't it)

 

[Soupywolf5]

Mentioning the authors makes the perfect example of what you cited. By doing so, you proved that the author Kalv makes Dust Sans in the novel more elevated. For Kalv, this is the ideal level. But I also think the Ask team itself is not against it, since his novel is fanon only in terms of the plot and not his main abilities. After all, this is one of the representations of variations of the universe. But I take it as another universe to make Dust Sans even stronger. In fact, it will be like this: ask Dust <<<< Novel Dust can be divided and make Dust on a different level. And yes, I always mention that the novella will not be related to Ask. I wrote that I can illustrate what the author is thinking, and for this I need a novella, although the novella itself would be canon if not for the Ask team with its plot rules. In any case, never take the author's thoughts as their thoughts contradict what is said. This is a very bad example of that, especially how the author of Error justifies himself with the level of his character's power.

I'm not sure how Calv saying the novels aren't official and only a possibility translates to "we can use them for this separate version of the character." You'd need to prove that different versions of the character share all of the same abilities, we don't just assume that by default. I'm not sure what Error's author did, but if they said something that contradicts what the character's actually shown (In canon/official media, obviously a "contradiction" in something that's non-canon wouldn't matter) then yeah, death of the author and all, go with the showing over the contradicted statement. (We've always treated WoG like that) That doesn't apply here, Calv is just saying that the novels are their own thing, and that some of their interpretations are merely their own headcanons and aren't meant to be canon to the character, which isn't contradicted (It's not my fault this guy is the absolutely devious combo of "Character who's 100% WoG" & "Author who says half of their own opinions on their character aren't canon")

The context said visibility, but I don't know what you're trying to prove since the context still remains that he's in open space. You should only refer to open spaces and not to how he suddenly attacks. You can stand further than 10-20 meters in real life, but if the enemy notices you and you're already in open space, you definitely won't be able to do it in a second since the space is open, you're easy to spot. But here it says if Dust Sans notices him, he'll kill Asgore before he gets ready.

You can also stand closer than that, the distance you're trying to use is entirely arbitrary. I agree that we can't assume a 1 second timeframe (Or any timeframe, really) for how quickly Sans would be able to kill Asgore, I don't think we can assume any kind of distance or timeframe for this, at best this would just be "Sans scales to Asgore." Killing him "before he gets ready" doesn't necessarily indicate a speed blitz, it just means he attacked when Asgore wasn't expecting it

I wrote that he mimics abilities using "bones." For example, FC OC gave the example of MTT bombs being like exploding bones, and Undine's spear being like spears made of bones. Their creation time, as I understand it, is surprisingly instantaneous, although I distinctly remember that creating a single spear from Dust's bone takes a long time and doesn't result in multiple attacks. He can only use it as an arsenal; he doesn't create it instantly. Otherwise, when mimicking an ability, he would use different arsenals in battle, but by downgrading it, he would only be able to use one arsenal, which essentially makes him create an arsenal rather than mimicking, where he's an absolute.

Where are you getting any of this on Sans actually doing any of that? Is this from one of the novels? Because like I said before, we can't assume different versions of the character have the same abilities and Calv is very insistent that Dust Sans doesn't use other characters' abilities and only fights like classic Sans

I remember what you said, the main point is that without giving context, your for some reason immediately decided that you rcontext is more important than Calv and that you are his friend, so to know, although you don’t even know the novel, why are you so sure that you can distort his conjecture, but if so, in this way you stop respecting yourself, in any case, you need to prove that the context of the plot of Dusttail is limited in terms of the types of traps, since you create many new questions that you do not close, although you should, after all, you refute and not me, but here it is somehow the other way around

Sure, I don't know what's in the novels, I can't read Korean so I don't know what happens in them, but since Calv has said they're semi-official (Which they then said means not official) and you agreed in your original blog to keep them separate, then it doesn't really matter what's in them. I'm not trying to argue about what novel Sans has and they have no bearing on the version of the character we're actually talking about

Once again I don't need to prove anything, you're making the positive claim about the types of traps Sans can use, you're saying "he can do x" so you're the one who needs to prove that, I don't need to prove "he can't do x" that's always been how this works.

This is more of a translation of the topic than an example of anything. But if you translate the topic, then study the MWI. The multiverse according to Kaluza-Klein theories is never 4D. By doing so, you're destroying the Kaluza-Klein MWI formula, which consists of one 5D formula and its four 4D formulas. You're simply removing the "freedom" formula, thereby eliminating the multiverse and making it a single universe. But if you're talking about metaphysics where the MWI is abnormally composed, that's your 2-C and 2-A formula. In any case, as I said, you must prove that coffee is not an alkaloid and that Dusttale is akin to metaphysics. I expect this from a person who is trying to refute but instead runs away and creates new questions.

I still don't. You're once again the one making the positive claim (Coffee can provide a 2x speed amp) now you have to prove that, I'm not even sure where the argument of whether coffee has/is an alkaloid even came from, you just brought that up for no reason at some point and it has nothing to do with the original argument (Also I just brought up MWI as an example of how a verse needs to establish how its own stuff works, I'm not sure why you're zeroing in on MWI itself so much) you're the one shifting the goalpost here, I asked you to prove that coffee can provide a 2x speed amp like you claimed it could and you responded with "well prove it's not an alkaloid" (Or, well, "prove coffee isn't coffee," which... what?) which is completely unrelated, I'm just asking you to prove what you've been claiming, I'm not sure why you've been so aggro over this

This is the same thing. How can I interpret that without context, no one can refute this? What's the point of such questions? You just have to find Kalv and ask him, for example, if he's limited by this. No one has asked such a question since for Kalv, level 20, these are only restrictions in the dungeon where he's completely alone. His potential grows due to leveling up, not like our powers where we need to pump up and train, but we have a limit like all characters. Some games have a leveling limit. Dust doesn't say this, he wasn't limited by this. Dust destroys everyone and remains alone. Although I remember some funny questions and how Kaly answered hyper Dust with humor, but it's unlikely that anyone is going to look for them since this is an old ASK.

Except they straight up have? Like, sure, maybe you could interpret the answers to them as just being "he's limited to LV20 in the underground because there's nothing left to kill, but outside of that he could get stronger" (Calv's answers to any questions about Dust Sans going to AUs to get more xp are all pretty dismissive of the idea, so I wouldn't say so, but sure, I guess I could see the argument) but since we're indexing him as he appears and functions in his own verse, that's not really different from just being capped at 20 in general, we never just hand out High 3-A ratings for characters with level mechanics because "they could theoretically level up forever." We'd just index them at strongest they get in their story

Kalv said that if someone from another timeline kills Dust, then Dusttale will go out of control, and Killer is just an example since he is a character from another universe. You also need to prove what appdata is and why corruption occurs. For some reason, you're so confident that you know programming, although even basic courses tell what code modification is. In any case, prove it, which can give an example of a computer crash. I'll look at your programming knowledge, as well as proof of erase data and appdata. Don't avoid this question. This will show that you don't respect yourself because you're so confident that you can even distort the author's context and show that programmers are wrong. Perhaps you'll open a Nobel Prize for programmers

Dude, what is your problem?

I've made no claims about programming as a whole or my own knowledge on the field, (At best I said the answer was talking about Sans' memories when it said data, which isn't a claim about programming that's just reading comprehension) you're just strawmanning. I've said that we have no reason to believe a game crashing translates to the real in-game universe (Which, surprise, surprise, don't exist irl. Knowing how real programming and/or computer files work doesn't mean you know what would happen to something that doesn't actually exist) being destroyed, why would we assume otherwise?

 

[Randomuser3412]

I'm not sure what Error's author did, but if they said something that contradicts what the character's actually shown (In canon/official media, obviously a "contradiction" in something that's non-canon wouldn't matter) then yeah, death of the author and all, go with the showing over the contradicted statement.

At worst, Error's author contradicts her own statements about Error's strength instead of what's actually shown. Error also actually has a comic and some form of official media other than asks, so he's not the best example here.

Calv is just saying that the novels are their own thing, and that some of their interpretations are merely their own headcanons and aren't meant to be canon to the character, which isn't contradicted

She says the novel isn't canon in a different ask. It shouldn't be used.

 

[Oikarian]

I'm not sure how Calv saying the novels aren't official and only a possibility translates to "we can use them for this separate version of the character." You'd need to prove that different versions of the character share all of the same abilities, we don't just assume that by default. I'm not sure what Error's author did, but if they said something that contradicts what the character's actually shown (In canon/official media, obviously a "contradiction" in something that's non-canon wouldn't matter) then yeah, death of the author and all, go with the showing over the contradicted statement. (We've always treated WoG like that) That doesn't apply here, Calv is just saying that the novels are their own thing, and that some of their interpretations are merely their own headcanons and aren't meant to be canon to the character, which isn't contradicted (It's not my fault this guy is the absolutely devious combo of "Character who's 100% WoG" & "Author who says half of their own opinions on their character aren't canon")

Yes, you now understand the point that Calv in Ask is completely different. He sees Dust Sans as a neodymium character, considering the Calv novel where Dust strangles Undyne with telekinesis. There are many such examples. For example, UTF says his Insanity Sans island level and relativistic speed. His mistake is that he says Insanity destroys a mountain in an hour and this feat is building level at subsonic speed. The author of UTF argues with this on Discord. Now I don't know the circumstances, but this was a topic a long time ago. I'm glad you realized your mistakes, so never take into account what the author thinks. We can't take feats as the author wants or as he thinks. We always rely on context. Yes, we can take the author's opinion into account, but they operate at 30% confidence. Calv himself is not against the level of the Dust Sans system, but we don't know what the Ask team thinks. By the way, the novel was made by Kalv, it was originally supposed to be canon, but the Ask team rejected the plot but added it as semi-canon. Kalv is not the boss in ASK Dusttale, we don’t even know the Ask team, maybe there are no boss there, but Kalv just takes the parts that the Ask team doesn’t mind. Basically, we only take the context of Kalv, Kalv is not against such additions, but if you want to know more deeply, you need to at least find one person who is a member of ASK Dusttale and try to ask him a question that, in principle, it is difficult

You can also stand closer than that, the distance you're trying to use is entirely arbitrary. I agree that we can't assume a 1 second timeframe (Or any timeframe, really) for how quickly Sans would be able to kill Asgore, I don't think we can assume any kind of distance or timeframe for this, at best this would just be "Sans scales to Asgore." Killing him "before he gets ready" doesn't necessarily indicate a speed blitz, it just means he attacked when Asgore wasn't expecting it

To pull this off, you need no more than 3-5 meters if Asgore doesn't expect this attack, but the place where he is is large and open, I don't think your context can pull this off.

Where are you getting any of this on Sans actually doing any of that? Is this from one of the novels? Because like I said before, we can't assume different versions of the character have the same abilities and Calv is very insistent that Dust Sans doesn't use other characters' abilities and only fights like classic Sans

Is this a language barrier? This ability was given to Dust Sans specifically by the FC OC, which says "Confirmed that he's capable of copying the styles and appearances of the Boss Monster's magic attacks and recreate it in his own form of skeletal magic." Although they changed the context, it was written that his bones explode and instantly create imitation attacks. I don't know who changed that, or did you just change it? In any case, I demand the ability be downgraded to "creating an arsenal." This wasn't in the novel, it was in Ask's question, where Calv answered that Dust Sans can do it but isn't interested. Yes, there are many answers where Dust Sans isn't interested in many things, but he can.

Sure, I don't know what's in the novels, I can't read Korean so I don't know what happens in them, but since Calv has said they're semi-official (Which they then said means not official) and you agreed in your original blog to keep them separate, then it doesn't really matter what's in them. I'm not trying to argue about what novel Sans has and they have no bearing on the version of the character we're actually talking about

It's semi-canon but it's related one of the variations of the plot Dusttale, meaning it's one universe and not a separate one, but it can't be taken as the ASK universe, although it's hard to say, because the novel itself would be canon, but the ASK team only rejects the plot of Dusttale, but they didn't reject many things, they rather agreed to semi-canon and not absolute fanon, the novel is semi-canon, but it's possible in terms of being one of the variations of the events of Dusttale, however, I'll take it as a separate universe, I don't know how others will use it, although it doesn't matter

Once again I don't need to prove anything, you're making the positive claim about the types of traps Sans can use, you're saying "he can do x" so you're the one who needs to prove that, I don't need to prove "he can't do x" that's always been how this works.

If you mean traps like lasers or similar, then no, Dust Sans can't set such traps in ASK. It wasn't mentioned that Dust Sans knows engineering to create such complex traps, because these aren't traps, but traps at a difficult level where you need engineering knowledge. Dust Sans's only knowledge is interested in poisons, but not engineering. Therefore, we need more obvious traps that can be implemented, for example, a regular bear trap.

I still don't. You're once again the one making the positive claim (Coffee can provide a 2x speed amp) now you have to prove that, I'm not even sure where the argument of whether coffee has/is an alkaloid even came from, you just brought that up for no reason at some point and it has nothing to do with the original argument (Also I just brought up MWI as an example of how a verse needs to establish how its own stuff works, I'm not sure why you're zeroing in on MWI itself so much) you're the one shifting the goalpost here, I asked you to prove that coffee can provide a 2x speed amp like you claimed it could and you responded with "well prove it's not an alkaloid" (Or, well, "prove coffee isn't coffee," which... what?) which is completely unrelated, I'm just asking you to prove what you've been claiming, I'm not sure why you've been so aggro over this

This is called "scaling" all the feats in it are taken into account strictly, we need to know science, medicine, the need for programming, and metaphysics, in other words, we must know everything. A common example is Saitama. Without knowledge of metaphysics, his spiritual space rift becomes 4-dimensional, but knowledge of metaphysics reduces his level to 3-dimensional, now the spiritual space is 3-dimensional and Saitama is not omnipotent. The next example is a human-sized black hole, and a fictional character can withstand its impact. The black hole size human itself is quite comparable in power to a planet or a star. However, ordinary factors, such as damage from a bullet or a normal fall, reduce the black hole's power to that of a city, and the more such factors, the more its power is reduced. Therefore, we need evidence of metaphysical factors, usually from metaphysics it is that Dusttale is a game universe, but this is more about cosmology than its factors, this does not cancel out the absence of alkaloids

Except they straight up have? Like, sure, maybe you could interpret the answers to them as just being "he's limited to LV20 in the underground because there's nothing left to kill, but outside of that he could get stronger" (Calv's answers to any questions about Dust Sans going to AUs to get more xp are all pretty dismissive of the idea, so I wouldn't say so, but sure, I guess I could see the argument) but since we're indexing him as he appears and functions in his own verse, that's not really different from just being capped at 20 in general, we never just hand out High 3-A ratings for characters with level mechanics because "they could theoretically level up forever." We'd just index them at strongest they get in their story

I think I understand what you mean. You seem to mean that VS Battle doesn't take potential into account, but rather peak power? But it's as clear as Saitama's solar system, for example, but his potential is infinite in terms of three-dimensional limitations. So I don't think there's any argument about that, since it's potential, not peak power, it's just statistics and potential growth limitations.

Dude, what is your problem?

I have no problems, but FC OC has problems and it would be better to fix them because their tier list has 2-C Nightmare, although Nightmare Sans himself cannot destroy the AU, but only fills several universes with an aura, which gives him range and not his destructive potential. I also noticed that FC OC takes the wrong contexts. I don’t even know where the Nightmare context came from, where a completely different author, a fan of Dreamtale, writes since Joku only has one account. I don’t remember him having a second account. Although this is better than her 2020s, a similar story also happened in VS Battle where Papyrus 2018 is the island level, In 2023, they can't even partially reveal the powers of the Undertale characters, in any case, now it is much better, but even now this fandom has big disadvantages of knowledge that they lack

I've made no claims about programming as a whole or my own knowledge on the field, (At best I said the answer was talking about Sans' memories when it said data, which isn't a claim about programming that's just reading comprehension) you're just strawmanning. I've said that we have no reason to believe a game crashing translates to the real in-game universe (Which, surprise, surprise, don't exist irl. Knowing how real programming and/or computer files work doesn't mean you know what would happen to something that doesn't actually exist) being destroyed, why would we assume otherwise?

If you're talking about knowledge, then we need another example file, for example, Sans's file, that is, sans.data, then memory.data, since this will be like artificial intelligence where we delete memories. However, I don't remember about data.memory, but okay, the author doesn't have such knowledge of the program, but the author didn't even mention anything about memories. He mentioned general data and even specifically gave an example of "APP".data. Listen, the context is not some kind of joke, they are strictly observed and not distorted, and I will repeat this until you understand

 

[Randomuser3412]

Sure, I don't know what's in the novels, I can't read Korean so I don't know what happens in them

Basically, the Mad Time Novel is Calva's idea on what Dusttale could look like. It's far, far more developed than the ask blog in every sense of the word and has multiple good feats.

There are many such examples. For example, UTF says his Insanity Sans island level and relativistic speed. His mistake is that he says Insanity destroys a mountain in an hour and this feat is building level at subsonic speed. The author of UTF argues with this on Discord

On the contrary, UTF has gone on to deny Insanity being able to destroy a mountain many times, saying it's old canon every time.

 

[Oikarian]

On the contrary, UTF has gone on to deny Insanity being able to destroy a mountain many times, saying it's old canon every time.

In the current circumstances, I don't know how things are going there, but in the old circumstances, his level doesn't correspond to his fantasies.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Basically, the Mad Time Novel is Calva's idea on what Dusttale could look like. It's far, far more developed than the ask blog in every sense of the word and has multiple good feats.

Alright, cool. Are the different novels all connected to each other or are they each their own separate thing?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Alright, cool. Are the different novels all connected to each other or are they each their own separate thing?

There are multiple novels, but they are not connected to each other. The Mad Time novel is the main one people talk about and it tells the full story of Murder Sans with multiple endings. It's rather long and imo the writing is extremely good for an Undertale AU. Some relevant feats in it would be Undyne's spears destroying a cliff and Murder's blasters blowing up the lab.

 

[WizardPowers101]

What’s the current topic atm?

 

[Randomuser3412]

What’s the current topic atm?

I'm not entirely sure myself, but I believe Oikarian is trying to argue that some of the Novel stuff is usable, Murder is Superhuman-Subsonic for "blitzing Asgore" (you know the ask being referred to) and he has Uni+ EE of his own timeline on death. I'm not sure if he's still trying to argue Murder is Large Building level, though.

 

[Oikarian]

I'm not entirely sure myself, but I believe Oikarian is trying to argue that some of the Novel stuff is usable, Murder is Superhuman-Subsonic for "blitzing Asgore" (you know the ask being referred to) and he has Uni+ EE of his own timeline on death. I'm not sure if he's still trying to argue Murder is Large Building level, though.

1) There is no uni+ in the context, it's only in my Wikipedia and it can't be added, but I also found out that I made a mistake with the context, I think I can even delete it since there was a context error, in any case, uni+ is something like a joke scale and I added it as likely, but now I can definitely delete it from my Wikipedia list
2) The discussion about building level and subsonic speed continues; in any case, Dust Sans needs to be remastered.

 

[Randomuser3412]

a

The discussion about building level and subsonic speed continues; in any case, Dust Sans needs to be remastered.

Large Building level comes from the ask where Calva says Murder has no interest in breaking down large buildings and Oikarian claims Murder could if he did have interest, for context.

 

[Oikarian]

Large Building level comes from the ask where Calva says Murder has no interest in breaking down large buildings and Oikarian claims Murder could if he did have interest, for context.

Dust Sans isn't interested in many things, for example, opinions on creating imitations. Calv replied that he is capable of creating similar weapons with his bones, but he is not interested. This context is simply repeated, but it remains that he is "capable but doesn't want to because he has no motivation."

 

[Randomuser3412]

Dust Sans isn't interested in many things, for example, opinions on creating imitations. Calv replied that he is capable of creating similar weapons with his bones, but he is not interested. This context is simply repeated, but it remains that he is "capable but doesn't want to because he has no motivation."

The context isn't repeated. Calva says he is capable but has no reason to create bone replicas of other's magic. Calva only says he isn't interested in destroying large buildings, not that he is capable of it.